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Ment

12/6/2014 9:51 AM UTC

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By the way, yes, Aretz is right. Well, Owen, I think Neb will like your set.

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oven666

12/6/2014 1:40 PM UTC

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The game was brilliantly conceived but poorly executed. And the GM turned out to be unreceptive to criticism. Thanks for ruining my mood! Happy New Year! I'm deleting my setting: there's no one to play it with on this forum anyway! I should have left right after the moderator refused to accept my complaint about the insult. After all, how many times have I encountered this – if the administration allows participants to engage in any personal attacks and doesn't consider anything offensive besides swearing, then the chance of encountering meanness on such a forum is high, but I always believe in good, I always try to forgive and understand, and I get a double dose of kicks!! :mad:

Arandor

12/6/2014 2:49 PM UTC

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Don't do it that way. Either post the entire set at once in a readable format, or don't post anything at all.

Be strong. Believe

SnowmanV2

12/6/2014 3:32 PM UTC

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What distinguishes this topic from the Mafia ones is that you can edit posts here.

kcfgogbfalgfl

12/6/2014 4:24 PM UTC

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Interesting setting.

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mika

12/6/2014 4:33 PM UTC

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Arandor

You shouldn't do it this way. Either post the entire set at once in a readable format, or don't post anything at all.

Strangely enough, I agree. It's hard to read, especially with the additions afterward. It's better to release the finished version right away and then start a discussion about it.

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oven666

12/6/2014 8:43 PM UTC

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Arandor

You shouldn't do it this way. Either post the entire set at once in a readable format, or don't post anything at all.

guys, I understand everything, but I have a mother who gets very upset when I sit at the computer on Saturday instead of doing something useful around the house (mopping floors, gluing baseboards, going shopping, sorting things on shelves...). In this regard, a Jewish mother is better – at least she won't bother me on Shabbat. At the same time, you also want to see something. Creating a complete post takes several hours of uninterrupted time at the computer. I decided that it would be better to do it in pieces.

Sesame

12/6/2014 8:56 PM UTC

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Keep working on it, Misha, keep working on it. The idea is good, and I would like to see a working implementation, not this… thing that makes your eyes water when you read it.

..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк..
Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов.
Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.

Arandor

12/6/2014 9:04 PM UTC

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Well, if you're not ready yet, you can let someone go ahead. Maybe someone has already finished everything.

Be strong. Believe

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oven666

12/7/2014 12:25 AM UTC

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Sesame

Keep working on it, Misha, keep working on it.
The idea is good, I'd like to see a working implementation, not this thing that makes your eyes water when you read it.

And here, I can't help you - see an ophthalmologist!:mad:

I don't use acidic fonts - you wanted pictures - here are pictures. I'm not an artist to draw myself - I use the pictures that are available online. I can remove them if it's really hard to look at. We'll play the old-fashioned way, without any weirdness or embellishments.

if you're not ready yet, you can let someone else go first. Maybe someone already has everything finished.

I planned to do it around the New Year, but I was told that no one has anything ready, and people are eager - I volunteered. If this is considered a shortcoming, then suggest your own options, and I'll let you go first!

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MasteR

12/7/2014 8:30 AM UTC

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Sesame

Keep working on it, Misha, keep working on it.
The idea is good, I would like to see a working implementation, and not this something that makes your eyes water when you read it.

She probably meant, for example, the complete absence of punctuation in the description, which makes the reading process quite difficult. + when I read it for the first time, I didn't quite understand who was evil and who was good (I'm not familiar with the theme), because I hardly saw any non-player characters being killed, there was only control everywhere.

Кампании для Heroes V 3.1 (Трилогия):

Пробуждение зла
Нашествие из Преисподней
Смена эпох

Скачать все кампании одним архивом: Яндекс.Диск Google.Диск

You can download the set of 3 Campaigns (English version) here

Одиночные сценарии Heroes V 3.1:

Незваные гости
Красный кристалл
Синий кристалл
Закат тьмы

Мультиплеерные карты для Heroes V 3.1:

Легендарная война
Сердце вулкана
Передел мира

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Sesame

12/7/2014 9:07 AM UTC

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oven666

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Why are you getting so upset right away? That's not the most helpful quality for a GM.

1. People won't play without pictures; you might as well forget about running the game.
2. Personally, unlike the locals (well, I'm not a local either, so... uh... never mind), the pictures just get in the way, so I usually copy the game to my computer, remove the pictures, and study it. In your case, that didn't help me save my eyes yesterday. Or my brain, either.
3. There are some comments about the balance.
I still don't like the Confessor.
To "confess" a Dhariani is to find out who the Master is; to "confess" the Master is to gain control of the Mafia. By the way, in this case, who do the unconfessed Dhariani win against?
Another question: if the Confessor dies, what happens to her recruits? Do they continue to play for her? Or do they play for themselves again?
Furthermore, the Dhariani are, in my opinion, too weak for the Mafia. One kill and one passive kill ((
There's nothing to discuss about the neutrals yet; I'll wait for the conditions for their victory to appear.

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MasteR

+ after the first reading, I didn't quite understand who was good and who was evil (I'm not familiar with the theme), because I hardly saw any non-aligned characters being killed; there was only control everywhere.

After reading the first version of the game, I have a suggestion to remove the word "city" from the game, call the sisters, for example, the "Palace of Prophets," and have a "free-for-all" without these conventions of "good" vs. "bad." ))
I understand that then it would no longer be Mafia, and the idea might not appeal to everyone. I can only speak for myself – I would sign up for that

..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк..
Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов.
Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.

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oven666

12/7/2014 10:10 AM UTC

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MasteR

Probably, she meant, for example, the complete absence of punctuation in the description, which makes the reading process quite difficult. + when I read it for the first time, I didn't quite understand who was evil and who was good (I'm not familiar with the theme), because I hardly saw any killing Necromancers, there was only control everywhere.

Of course, absolute evil is The Confessor. She wants to deprive the whole world of its will and uses the wonderful feeling of love as a weapon. Magister Ral is a dictator, but he cares about his people and protects them, deriving pleasure from sophisticated tortures. And the champion of good is the Wanderer – he wants to destroy all magic so that people can live by their labor:smile06:. In fact, everything is explained in the wiki – just type "rules of the wizard". Regarding punctuation: I have a silicone keyboard – I have to press the keys very hard for them to register. If I miss a letter, the spell checker marks it in red, but if it's a comma or a dash, it doesn't.

Why are you getting so upset right away? This is not the most useful quality for a GM.

. Sorry – just memories: In 2007-2008, I argued a lot with trolls on an anime forum – to avoid giving them a reason to shout: "You didn't answer my question about... so you have nothing to say!" I answered everyone by fully quoting their post and analyzing each line. People started complaining that they couldn't distinguish my text from the original, quoted text. I started using bright colors. For example, in one comment, I quoted three full posts and highlighted my old phrases (which they quoted from me) in blue, and new replies in green, red, and purple. Then they started saying that they couldn't understand me because "it's impossible to read – my eyes are bleeding!" and even complained to the moderators to ban me from using more than two colors in one comment. I started using different fonts, highlights, and underlines instead of colors – it took a lot of time, but I still received the same responses: "I didn't get it," "Did you write about this? Where? Show me, I didn't find it!" In general, I now have an allergy to such "whims": after all, if you had the strength to write a comment, it means your eyes didn't bleed – so what's the point of these hyperboles?

You can give Darken one protection against the Confessor until he gets the boxes, although this will ruin the whole point: everyone is vulnerable at the beginning – the Confessor is vulnerable to the Wanderer, Darken Ral is vulnerable to the Confessor, the Wanderer is vulnerable to everyone. Otherwise, it will be OP

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Sesame

There's a good idea to remove the word "city" from the set, call the sisters, for example, "The Palace of Prophets," and arrange a "free-for-all" without these conventions of "good" vs. "bad".
I understand that then it will no longer be Mafia, and the idea may not appeal to everyone. I can only speak for myself – I would join such a game.

The names are, of course, conditional. One of the best Mafia games I played was a battle for power between five mafia groups: angels, demons, humans, forces of nature, and elementals. So, at most, there could be up to six murders per night (there was also a necromancer maniac who killed everyone and won):D

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After the Confessor's death, her acolytes die – they love her and cannot live without her. Neutrals win either together with the faction they joined or if the Wanderer, the Barbarian, Mrisviz, the killing Dharians (the Magister and the General), and the Sister of Darkness die

Sesame

12/7/2014 10:50 AM UTC

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in fact, everything is explained in Wikipedia – just type in "rules of the wizard"

most players only look in the wiki to find clues (some don't even look there for that purpose), so to avoid misunderstandings, write all the nuances directly in the network.

I have a silicone keyboard

I sympathize, but for example, this is really unreadable without commas: "the attacker confesses after meeting the seeker – receives Damage magic."

you can give Darken one protection from confession and until he gets the boxes, although this will ruin the whole point

and it doesn't really improve the situation. But by the way, another question about the Mord-Sith. I don't remember them dying from Con-Dar being used on them. IMHO, the opposite situation is more appropriate here – the Mord-Sith passive ability triggers normally. This, by the way, would be enough to protect the Master and adjust the balance so that Dhara is not completely helpless against the Confessor, right?

..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк..
Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов.
Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.

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oven666

12/7/2014 11:20 AM UTC

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Sesame

most players only look in the wiki to find clues (some don't even look there for that purpose), so to avoid misunderstandings, write all the nuances directly in the text.
I sympathize, but for example, this is really unreadable without commas: "the attacker confesses after meeting the seeker - receives Damage magic."
and it doesn't really improve the situation. But by the way, another question about the Mord-Sith. I don't remember them dying from the application of Con-Dar to them. IMHO, the reverse situation is more appropriate here - the Mord-Sith's passive ability triggers normally. This, by the way, would be enough to protect the Master and adjust the balance so that Dhara is not completely helpless against the Confessor, right?

How do I use the spoiler tag (so that the text collapses and expands on click)? Tell me, and I'll add the plots of all the books to the post.

The text explicitly states several times that the Confessor's magic is fatal to the Mord-Sith. By the way, this is one way to protect the Master: the Confessor can only ask one question, and since she doesn't know who she is confessing to, she doesn't know in advance whether the Mord-Sith has died or is a Dark Sister. If Dhara is weak from your point of view, then you can add Quod-killers to Dhara, who can destroy the Confessor, ignoring her protection