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1. What exactly did the GM mess up? So far, I've only seen a glitch with the display of the witch's tea, which gave Alex away. But judging by your words, there are tons of bugs and lags in the GM's game...
2. What caused the "balance to go to hell"? Was it because the Leshy successfully blocked your mage on the first night? Or because the Berehynia fed your teammate to the wolves instead of Alex? Well, the GM isn't to blame for that.:smile32:
1) It seems some people are too scared to post the full chat log.

But in short: 1) It doesn't take a Seneca to figure out that you can reveal a role (the apprentice) with the witch's tea, not just a player (Alex).
2) Having a sequence of actions is a good thing (I remember when GMs took into account the order in which NDs sent messages in private, and whoever sent it first got to act). But it should still be divided into groups: a group of blocks, a group of translations, a group of kills, and so on... Otherwise, for example, the Lunar Bard can't stop the witch's apprentice, the witch, the herbalist, or the Berehynia, and among the female characters, he can only charm the mermaid, who is on his own side. 3) It was very amusing to receive a message that we had "successfully" blocked the apprentice, who continued to run around and ask questions, even though she was supposed to be listening to concerts until dawn.
4) When the GM's lack of interest in the game and blatant disregard for the rules become noticeable.
Don't worry, I think the game won't last long, and you won't have to suffer much. You don't even need to wait in your network; I won't even watch it.
(c) Shaman It would be more honest to say: there are no rules, everything will be as the GM says!

But the game is not only for satisfying the GM's ego but also for the players' enjoyment. Believe it or not, sometimes it's more fun to lose beautifully and interestingly than to win boringly because of the opponents' stupidity
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Evil Lizard
There was a mention of a voice change, so there was a basis to accuse the Shaman of voice-chatting. But there was also a basis not to accuse him, since it wasn't quite done correctly.

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In my opinion, there are more grounds for complaints against the Moderator who violated rule 6.

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As well as against Ment.

I hinted about Drakko a long time ago. It's strange that no one paid attention to this, knowing my role. When I returned, I made another hint, again with no reaction. I hinted on the verge of a foul, someone reacted somehow, but they still didn't believe it. At the same time, there were no warnings. I thought that the rule didn't apply to situations where the role was already known, and I made another transparent hint, but I still didn't say directly, "I went to Drakko and cast a fog spell on her."

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And how did I reveal her role, essentially repeating what I said earlier about not writing her off as 100% good, because there's a chance of this and that?
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Well, there wasn't an autopsy as such, especially for the mental.
There was no autopsy; there was a disclosure of state secrets info that others weren't supposed to know.
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Um, what? )
You can't do that, in my humble opinion.

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Regarding Drakkosha, I made a hint long ago. It's strange that no one paid attention to it knowing my role.
Well, why "no one"? I did.:D Even when you were wandering somewhere in the afterlife in the forest, I started suspecting her because of the Leshy block. Just then I was thinking about a trade, but once you stated that she could be mafia, then...
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And how did I give away her role, essentially repeating once again what I had said earlier about not listing her as 100% town, because there's a possibility of this or that?
This is an assumption about Drakkosha's possible role. And this is the disclosure of info that others aren't supposed to know.
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I thought that the rule didn't apply to situations where the role was already known anyway
So, to this question from Nefela, I could have calmly answered that Gekasan is Darin and nothing would happen to me? And here I am, a sucker who didn't know...:( Though Shaman and Oven still wouldn't have believed it, since a troll was the one saying it...
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That's not how it should be done, I think.
He ganked me, and I ganked him. You wouldn't even know which role he ulted with anyway.
 

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The game knowledge check revealed itself to me, and I was the one doing the check. But you still don't know what role he used his ultimate on.
Well, you could just as easily say that Alex successfully interrogated you for one night. :D And post the questions and answers. We don't know what role he was interrogating. ;)
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Also, post the questions and answers.
Well, in a way, I could have. Seriously. In the form of suggestions. I was really afraid that because of this poll, the Mafia would expose me as a Priest (well, there was another role option, yes, but it wasn't entirely clear whether he had a kill or not). That's exactly why I didn't kill Revan on the second night: if I were in the Mafia's place, I would definitely have used the redirect ability.
 

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1) You don't need to be Seneca to figure out that the Witch's Brew action can target not the player (Alex), but the role (the apprentice).
2) Having a turn order is a good thing (I remember the times when the GM took into account the order in which players sent messages in private, whoever sent it first got their turn). But it should still be divided into some groups: a group of actions, a group of blocks, a group of translations, a group of kills, etc. Otherwise, for example, a Lunar Bard cannot stop the witch's apprentice, the witch, the herbalist, or the Beregynya, and among the female characters, he can only charm a mermaid, who is already on his side.
3) It was very amusing to receive a message that we had "successfully" blocked the apprentice, who continued to run around and ask questions, even though she was supposed to be listening to concerts until dawn.
4) When the GM's lack of interest in the game and blatant disregard for the rules finally become noticeable (c) Shaman. It would be more honest to write: there are no rules, everything will be as the GM says!
Well, if this is a reason to award Shaman with a medal
The GM is an idiot.
, then in my opinion, the one who starts changing the rules and balance after the game has started deserves it.
1) The set was available for 2 weeks, and no one paid attention = everyone is to blame.
2) Initially, the turn order was completely chaotic. The points I drew attention to were taken into account. No one else paid attention. See point 1). ;) By the way, the bard could have stopped all the characters you mentioned. But not with all the non-player characters.
3) Here, the question is about the effect of the block on doubled non-player characters. One was blocked, the other was not. In the previous game, there was a similar situation with a troll and redirection. Here, the GM decides how the block/redirection works: on both non-player characters at once or only on the first. The only downside is that this should be written in the rules. But again, we didn't ask, the GM forgot...
4) The rules exist, and the GM didn't want to change them during the game. And that's exactly right!
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The bug existed for 2 weeks, and no one noticed it = everyone is to blame.
Actually, yes. I am also to blame; I didn't read it carefully enough beforehand.
 

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I was just really afraid that because of this poll, the Mafia would expose me as a Priest (well, there was another role option, yes, but it wasn't entirely clear whether he had a kill or not).
So you answered in a way that any Mafia role would suit you?:D Well, the Mafia knew you weren't hiding the Priest/Warlord option (they know their own), but this caused confusion for the Town.:(
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That's exactly why I didn't kill Revan on the second night: I would definitely have used the redirect as the Mafia ;)
Well, it was clear to the Sorceress that her end was coming the next day, so she didn't have time for redirects; it was better to use UD and eliminate Alex, and then have the UD pointed at herself. Which is what the Mafia did...
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So, you answered in a way that any Mafia role would suit you? Well, you couldn't hide the Priest/Warlord option from the Mafia anyway (they know their own), but this creates confusion for the Town.
Honestly, I didn't really care.
Well, it was clear to the Sorceress that she would be eliminated the next day, so she wasn't focused on redirecting, it was better to use her Ultimate ability and eliminate Alex, and then put the Ultimate ability of fire on herself. That's what the Mafia did...
Heh, I would have tried to do a double kill as a last resort, it's a more interesting option. Anyway, I did the right thing by not going to war with Revan.
 

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Honestly, I didn't really care.
Look at him... Dark forces are attacking, some kind of evil spreading disease. And he doesn't care...
Ment
Heh, I would have tried to do a double kill at the end, it's a more interesting option. Anyway, I did the right thing by not going to war with Revan.
What if you turned out to be a warlord and the redirection went to waste. But in any case, you would have gotten a double kill if you had gone to Revan. However, you would have killed yourself thanks to the witch.
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There was no reveal, there was a leak of state secrets info that others shouldn't know.

That you can't do, IYAM.

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Well, what do you mean no one? I contributed.:D Back when you were wandering around in the next world in the forest, I already started suspecting her based on the Leshy block. It's just that back then I was thinking about a swap, and once you said she could be mafia, then...

This - is a guess about Dracoshka's possible role. And this - is a disclosure of info that others aren't supposed to know.

So in answer to this question from Nefela I could have calmly answered that Hekasan is Darin, and nothing would have happened to me for it? And here I was a chump and didn't know...:( Though, Shaman and Oven wouldn't have believed it anyway — after all, it was a troll saying it...

Well, yes, but I essentially didn't add any new info — I didn't narrow down the list of roles for her. Even without my remark, the fact that I could be redirecting and that she couldn't be a 100% civvie had to be taken into account.

Now, if I, being the checker, had said that such-and-such player had such-and-such status — then yes, that would have been a gross violation of the rules.
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Well, if this is a reason to award the Shaman a medal, then in my opinion, the one who starts changing the rules and balance after the game has already begun deserves it.
1) The set was in place for 2 weeks, and no one paid attention = everyone is to blame.
2) There was complete chaos in the order of actions initially. The points I raised were taken into account. No one else paid attention. See point 1). ;) By the way, the bard could have stopped all the characters you mentioned. But not with all the non-player characters.
3) Here, the question is about the effect of the block on doubled damage. One was blocked, the other was not. In the previous game, there was a similar situation with a troll and redirection. Here, the GM decides how the block/redirection works: on both damage types at once or only on the first. The only downside is that this should be written in the rules. But again, we didn't ask, and the GM overlooked it...
4) There are rules, and the GM didn't want to change them during the game. And that's exactly right!
I was told that my set was not fully developed (which it is). I gave way to those who had everything ready. I wasn't going to play at first; I was waiting for amber from Val d'Emerol, but after a week, I saw that you still hadn't gathered enough players and the system wasn't organized. I realized that I wouldn't see the end of my game, so I started pushing people from other forums and, at the same time, explained how dangerous the role of a journalist can be. The Shaman assured me that he would limit the journalism, but in reality, it turned out that the Shaman and I exist in different universes: he asked the snowman questions like: "Are you made of several snowballs stacked on top of each other?" "Are you a player named Snowman?" and "Are you an essential attribute of the Russian winter?" He considers them DIFFERENT IN ESSENCE; I am DIFFERENT ONLY IN FORM, BUT THE SAME IN ESSENCE.

Like Zadornov's story about the two ninth cars: "But the workers are also normal people and believe that the 9th car is the one after the 8th, not the one before the 10th." The Shaman doesn't belong to the "normal" ones - for him, a block that doesn't reach its target = successful