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11 years ago
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Which hero is the strongest is a difficult question. Some might say that any hero is strong if played skillfully. This may be true when two players with vastly different skill levels are playing against each other. If two players are roughly equal in skill, then the strength of the starting hero becomes an important factor. I became curious about which hero is the strongest in the late game. To this end, several interesting games were played with equally matched opponents. The games were always played on the same map: a slightly modified version of World War, which I consider to be perfectly balanced for the late game. Conditions: development over 5 months, followed by deployment to the center and combat. Diplomacy is prohibited. Contenders for the title of best hero:
1) Wingael. I have already described somewhere earlier this battle between Wingael and Agrael. Wingael's troops left no chance for the demons. They didn't even let them take a single turn, despite Agrael being perfectly upgraded and having a higher level with artifacts boosting initiative. Railag would also not stand against Wingael, because the former specializes in early turns for his own units, regardless of the enemy's initiative, and Elementals do not differ in strong defense. Orcs will also fail, as they will be defeated before they can gain rage. Perhaps only Haggeesh can put up a fight against Wingael. It should be noted that Wingael will definitely max out СА.
2) Axel. In 5-6 months, he gathers so many Knights Isabel that no one can withstand their attacks.
3) Markel. If we include heroes from campaigns in the list, then Markel is undoubtedly one of the strongest (cheating) heroes. In 5-6 months, he collects about 1400 liches and 1800 vampires (this is still with the restriction on collecting creatures from other castles).
4) Ora. Previously, I underestimated mages until I played them on this map against dwarves. By the end, using upgrades and artifacts, I managed to gather 76 knowledge points. What does 76 knowledge points mean for a mage? This means +76% to creature initiative, +20 defense and attack... The battle took place against a dwarf who had upgraded СА. Mages moved about 3 times more often + mass acceleration and other mass spells of light magic. 80 titans destroyed 37 lava dragons per shot without luck. 30 enemy titans (maybe even more) killed 20 gremlins (+20 defense and +16 health). In general, even together with their runes, the dwarves didn't stand a chance.

Who is the strongest among these three heroes (I won't consider Markel)? Wingael will most likely be stronger than Axel, because before the Knights take their turn, they will be defeated by everyone else. However, mages with upgraded defenses can withstand the first blow from elves, and then they will move more often. They will also move ahead of human troops, allowing them to shoot down the knights.
I am inclined to believe that the strongest hero in the late game is either Wingael or Ora. Although Axel should not be discounted either.
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11 years ago
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Wingael. I've described this battle between Wingael and Agrail somewhere before. Wingael's troops didn't give the demons any chance. They didn't even let them attack once, despite Agrail's perfect build and higher level with artifacts that boost initiative. Railag wouldn't stand a chance against Wingael either, because the former specializes in going first, regardless of the enemy's initiative, and Elves don't have strong defenses. Orcs would also fail, as they would be defeated before they could build up rage. Only Haggeesh might be able to put up a fight against Wingael. It should be noted that Wingael will definitely have Spell Power maxed out.
Unexpected result, I always thought that Agrail and Railag had stronger specializations than Wingael.
Which of the 3 heroes is the strongest (I won't consider Markel)
But this is correct, campaign heroes shouldn't be considered, it's a completely separate issue.
11 years ago
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1. With their first move under Wing, the troops inflict significant damage, and all troops, except for the lumberjacks, easily reach their destination within one turn. There will be no one left to defend. The fact that he's OP is nothing new. One shot from Haghesh won't help much if the guys even survive until then. 2. Axel is strong, and knights are strong under vampirism, but then they have 0 morale, which impairs their combat capabilities. They cannot be buffed under antimagic. Without antimagic and vampirism, one stray subordinate and some cavalry can already inflict minus one on their own. At the same time, they need to be blocked after the first attack, and Wing will block them even before the first attack. 3. An Orc on mini-maps with initiative, mass speed buff under synergy, and charms moves without stopping. I haven't encountered this in practice, but in theory, it can easily scatter mass berserkers, and initiative allows it to do so. Without synergy, it's not very effective. The same 76 attack for an Orc will give no less than 76 knowledge for a mage.
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11 years ago
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3. On the mini-arts on initiative, with mass speed-up under empathy and charms, it moves without stopping. I haven't encountered it in practice, but in theory, it can easily scatter mass berserkers, and initiative allows it to do so. Without empathy, it's not very effective. The same 76 attack for an orc will give no less than 76 knowledge for a mage.

76 was achieved mainly due to upgraded education and artifacts that maximize knowledge (like the Skull of Markal). Peak parameters rarely reach 40. The opponent's gnome had slightly more than 40 defense. I managed to increase the attack of the Titans to 84 thanks to mini-arts and the elf set (unicorn horn bow + quiver). If it weren't for the gnome's Castle, the mages would have torn them to shreds, but as it was, the battle turned out to be quite long. But only the Rakshasa fell.
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11 years ago
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I got 76 mostly due to upgraded education and artifacts that maximize knowledge (like the Skull of Markal). As a result, the peak parameters rarely reach 40. My opponent, a Dwarf, had slightly more than 40 defense. I managed to increase the attack of the Titans to 84 using mini-artifacts and the Elven set (Unicorn Horn Bow + Quiver). If it weren't for the Dwarf's Chain Lightning spell, the mages would have destroyed them, but the battle turned out to be quite long. Only the Rakshasa fell.
I was surprised by the initiative of the entire army at the time... just think about it... the entire army of the mage has an initiative of around 30!!! I barely moved with the Dwarves with the Ring of Swiftness (and possibly the Staff of the Underworld, I don't remember exactly):((:mad: :mad:
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11 years ago
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you will grow into what you become.
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*it just takes too long to talk about everyone..
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11 years ago
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Since we're talking about the plot, Raileigh's victory in the poll seems strange. Although, maybe it's not so strange, after all, most people vote for their favorites.
Kha-Belekh is the strongest of them, but he is by no means all-powerful, as some here have written.
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Since we're talking about the plot, Railegh's victory in the poll seems strange. Although, maybe it's not that strange, most people vote for their favorites.
Kha-Belekh is the strongest of these, but he is by no means all-powerful, as some here have written.

Railegh is the best because he has the strongest specialization of all. Even the Overlord doesn't compare. Railegh's specialization can only be surpassed by the specializations of Markel and Wingael, with a bit of luck.
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Raelag is the best because he has the strongest specialization of all. Warlord doesn't even come close. Only the specializations of Markel and Wingael can potentially surpass Raelag's specialization with a bit of luck.
As far as I remember, Kha-Belekh has the same specialization for initiative.
And in general, here they are discussing strength not based on the game, but based on the plot, so it doesn't matter.
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As far as I remember, Kha-Belekh has a similar specialization in initiative.
And in general, here they are discussing strength not based on the game, but based on the plot, so it doesn't matter.

I meant that Railag, who simultaneously slows down enemies and speeds up allies.

And if we are talking purely about the plot, then Zehir should be mentioned. He fully participated in 2 campaigns, managed to defeat Markel and the Overlord, and did many other things.
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I meant that Railag, who simultaneously slows down enemies and speeds up allies.

And if we consider the plot, then Zehir should be highlighted. He fully participated in 2 campaigns, managed to defeat Markel and the Overlord, and did many other things.
It seems that Agrail accelerated his own troops, while Railag slowed down the enemy's. Zehir is good; he also defeated Rolf and Biara. He defeated Markel and Kha-Belekh with the help of allies.
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11 years ago
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In Hammers of Fate, Raillag both speeds up and slows down.
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It seems that Agrail sped up his own units, while Railag slowed down enemy units.
Zephyr was quite good; he even defeated Rolf and Biara. He could defeat Markela and Kha-Belekh with helpers.

That's what I meant. It sometimes appears in the game too.

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11 years ago
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In Lords of the North, Railag both speeds up and slows down.
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That's what I meant. It sometimes drops in the game too.

Even so, I didn't notice it when I was playing through the campaign for Ilia, but this is just too overpowered. He was already great with one speed boost or slowdown, but I can't even imagine how to beat him with this.
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11 years ago
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The hero you played with is the strongest. More precisely, the hero you created and developed throughout the game. :smile36: I can't help but recall a statement by a very famous football coach: "We work with the material we're given."

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