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If you weren't born beautiful/smart/talented/insert your own trait, and didn't happen to be in the right place at the right time, no matter how hard you try, you'll only ever reach the middle class. The only question is whether the effort is worth it.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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And my courses used to be free, haha. Right now, I wouldn't recommend anyone to jump in, because the job market is in a bad state, especially for those without experience, but if you're interested, here's the link: https://rs.school/courses/javascript-ru
Where do we go?
Where do we end up when we save the world?
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Well, yes, the market for programmers and designers is oversaturated. Freelancers are engaging in such fierce price wars that it's hard to find a job that pays more than just enough to survive. It only makes sense to get involved if you're exceptionally talented in this field or if you have connections who can help you find work.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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Offline Граф Орлов
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If you weren't born beautiful/smart/talented/insert your own, and didn't end up in the right place at the right time, no matter how hard you try, you'll only ever be middle class. The only question is whether the effort is worth it.
I love my job. I can make life difficult not only for myself but also for others. But every shift eventually comes to an end.
E si sui vius, er mi grans benananza,
e si ieu muoir, er mi grans deliuriers
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Yeah, there aren't many decent internship opportunities, that's why I didn't really pursue a career in programming. I was okay just doing something in that field. I regret a bit that I stopped learning HTML in the early 2010s; I was doing well then, and there was a real chance to get into it, but it didn't work out. Oh well, that's how it is. You have to work with what you have and assess the current situation.
А, вот почему.

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I had a good experience with my courses. They have a paid subscription for coding/programming tasks, plus a web development course for around $200. I honestly completed a website based on a template, and everything went well. Then, my enthusiasm faded, and I put the subscription on hold, paying a couple of dollars a month. I think I'll return someday; the amount is negligible for keeping it on hold.
I also had a decent experience with a similar program. It was just too late to get into it, even back in 2018, and it's even later now. The ideal time was when I was finishing school (even though I was in a specialized IT class, lol). It wasn't quite the Wild West anymore, like in the 90s and 2000s, but it wasn't super popular yet either. Unfortunately, I missed that opportunity. Now, I feel like someone who caught the last train but ended up in the last car, packed with drunks, thugs, pickpockets, and drug addicts. You're sitting there and thinking, "Maybe it would have been better to miss the train."

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It reminds me of my attempts in 2022 to learn front-end development. I tried and tried, but then I gave up and now I write news for a corporate newspaper for peanuts.
It's better than struggling for peanuts in IT.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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aaanywho
I once enrolled in some courses based on a recommendation from a "successful" acquaintance (if it weren't for that, I would never have agreed to a paid course, let alone paying for everything upfront). I spent about $2000 on them – for several months, they gave us retarded tasks about basic computer/Photoshop skills, plus DRAWING WITH PENCIL AND PAINTS ON PAPER (what the f***). Then there were vacations, or some other nonsense – in the end, nothing came of it. I managed to get about 10% of the total amount back, but to get more, I would have had to spend a lot more money on lawsuits.
And I told you, if you have questions about online education, you should have come to me, as a former employee of the sales department of such a company. I would have either dissuaded you or explained how to get your money back before everything went to hell... 😕

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And my courses were free x) I wouldn't recommend anyone to start now, because the job market is in a bad state, especially for those who don't have experience, but if you're interested – https://rs.school/courses/javascript-ru
I agree, it's hard even for experienced people now, because on the one hand, employers can't afford to pay, and on the other hand, they don't want to hire beginners even for a pittance. They want someone experienced right away and for a pittance x)

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Граф Орлов
I love my job. I can work my ass off, not only for myself but also for someone else. But any shift eventually ends.
I thought that after the incident with your hand, you retired and became a veteran.

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Небо
It's better than working your ass off for pennies in IT.
I agreed to my job following exactly that logic. Moreover, with my constant visits to hospitals and doctors, this is the only way out. And also because my husband is an IT guy who, however, works for little money by IT standards. But at least he works from home and it's not stressful.
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They want someone experienced right away, and for next to nothing.
Spot on. And they find them, and they even have a choice.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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Too lazy to make an image, so I'll just write it like this.

Virgin-IT guy 😔
- Pays money for education. 
- Spends months looking for a job. 
- Ruins his health. 
- Gets pestered on weekends. 

Chad-bike courier 😎
- Walked into the office and got hired the same day. 
- Sat down and rode off. 
- You work whenever you want. 
Стартовый пост - Квенты - Разное - 
Резара - Аксель - Орвальд - Эмилия - Стэфания - Амвросий - Лестер - Альсира - 
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A virgin IT specialist 😔
- Pays money for education.
- Spends months looking for a job.
- Ruins his health.
- Gets calls on weekends.
Or, like my husband – he went to university for free to study to be a physics and computer science teacher (by the way, computer science is also taught in technical schools). He got his first job as an IT specialist with minimal knowledge, based on the principle of "well, you know your way around computers and programs, so you'll figure it out."

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Or, like one of my artist friends, who studied graphic design at a technical school (or something like that, I don't remember exactly), then worked for a pittance for a couple of years at an animation studio in Voronezh, while also drawing commissioned art on a tablet (often porn or furry porn). He built up a portfolio, first moved to St. Petersburg, then abroad. Now he works for 300k+ (although, probably even more, since we haven't talked in a long time) as a designer in a foreign game company. I don't know exactly what he's doing now, but I definitely remember that he drew character, item, and furniture models for Pathfinder and its expansions. But that's not IT, and it's probably the only success story among my acquaintances.
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Too lazy to make an image, so I'll just write it out like this.

Virgin IT guy 😔
- Pays money for education. 
- Spends months looking for a job. 
- Ruins his health. 
- Gets paged on weekends. 

Chad bike courier 😎
- Walked into the office and got hired the same day. 
- Sat down and rode off. 
- You work whenever you want. 
It's supposed to be a joke, but in real life that's exactly how it is. A job that requires long training, some intelligence, and talent is valued the same as a job that requires nothing except not being mentally handicapped or disabled. And all because a bunch of f***ing idiots who own a computer decided to jump into the field and undercut everyone.

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You could also do it like my husband — went to study for free at a university to become a physics and computer science teacher (by the way, they also teach computer science at technical colleges). He got hired for his first job as an IT guy with minimal knowledge based on the principle of "well, you know your way around computers and programs, so you'll figure it out"

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Or you could do it like an artist friend of mine, who studied at a technical college to become a graphic designer (or something like that, I don't remember exactly), then spent a couple of years slaving away for pennies at an animation studio in Voronezh, while simultaneously drawing commissioned art on a tablet (not infrequently porn or furry porn art). He built up his portfolio, moved first to St. Petersburg, then abroad. Now he works as a designer at a foreign game company for 300k+ (though, probably even more, since we haven't talked in a long time). I don't know exactly what he does now, but for example, I clearly remember that he drew character, item, and furniture models for Pathfinder and its expansions. But that's not IT anymore, and it's probably the only success story among my acquaintances.
And when was that, what years?
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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A sharp Tajik/Jew😎
- Came to the office and got hired the same day. 
- Sat down and got going. 
- You work whenever you want

A virgin, freckled orc/pig-Ukrainian
- Went on the assault and tore his ass so badly that his legs ended up separate from his belly
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I thought after the incident with your hand you retired and became a veteran.
Two years already wiping. 4 thousand pension. If they give me the third disability group (they won't), that'll be another 4.
And in general, I obviously can't be fired, I'm too valuable a asset, haven't torn all the asses yet. Besides, the country absolutely certainly doesn't have hundreds of thousands of huge twenty-year-old boars gassing around the streets on scooters, so without a one-and-a-half-handed bandit with a hernia, the front will definitely collapse. Once I wanted to smack one such underage boar with my cast, he swerved onto the lawn and flipped over. Nice. If things get hectic, I'll be bashing them with an axe alongside the Tajiks. They are far from both God and humanity. 
E si sui vius, er mi grans benananza,
e si ieu muoir, er mi grans deliuriers
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That sharp Tajik/Jew😎
- Came to the office and got hired the same day. 
- Sat down and took off. 
- You work whenever you want

Virgin ginger orc/pig-ukro
- Went on the assault and tore his ass so bad that his legs were separate from his belly
The Goys got screwed over yet again. It never happened before, and here it is again...
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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I don't really like IT people. I've only had a good working relationship with one decent developer from the CIS region in real life; the rest are some kind of quintessence of Indian curry-loving coders, overly tolerant and agenda-driven writers of procedures, and recent chat-room participants with inflated egos and demands for triple salaries and endless remote work, simply for the fact of their divine existence.

Whatever
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