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Posts from Mafia 95. The Wardens' campaign against Urubaen.Auto-translated
Anyone can use this trick. A maniac who has accurately calculated the player and decided to pretend to be an investigator; a Mafia member with the rest of the team, who decided to sacrifice one of their own in this way, but at the same time, if they all do it skillfully, they will get a 100% alibi. So there's no need to freak out. Everything is within the rules. The Mafia are only exposing themselves more now.
Well, it seems Ment didn't GM very well.
And anyway, it's still cheating. You're 100% signaling that you're not Mafia; Mafia would never do that in the first vote. Here's the alibi: death of the co-leader. Let's have all the investigators in the first and second days threaten modkills, thereby revealing themselves as either Town or Mafia. Let's have all the investigators in the first and second days threaten modkills, thereby revealing themselves as either Town or Mafia.
Shaman, I'm not threatening anyone, I'm just stating a fact :) But I agree, it's not a good idea. Although the comment is fair, I could be Mafia... But then I would be killed off before the first newspaper comes out, and the reason is right here, running around and shouting that we're playing unfairly. And besides, it's not me, it's all Master who goaded me, and I'm just a naive, silly girl x)
Well, that means the Moderator didn't do a good job.
And anyway, it's cheating. You're 100% giving away that you're not Mafia; Mafia would never do that on HotV. Here, the alibi is the death of a teammate. Let's have all the investigators threaten modkills on the first and second days, thereby revealing themselves as either Town or...>
That's the beauty of playing Mafia on HotV – no one will guess that the Mafia was able to eliminate their own player in this way. It's a perfect alibi. And a real investigator lives peacefully until the end of the game and doesn't make a fuss.
Mafia players won't reveal their own teammates on Haven. Due to the nature of the sets, psychology doesn't work here. They will test you, block you, or redirect their actions, and how will your alibi help you then? Eventually, the real checker will be revealed, like Kosh, and you will be exposed. As a result, you are betraying your team and depriving them of two players, which, again, in the specific conditions of Haven sets with an overpowered town, is equivalent to losing.
Hostor, as I recall, once won a psychology competition by eliminating one of his own, and then calmly took the city. I'm really embarrassing myself right now, aren't I? Х)
The Mafia won't sacrifice their own on Haven. Due to the nature of the sets, psychology doesn't work here. They will check/block/redirect you, and how will your alibi help you? Then the real checker will be revealed, like Kosha, and you will be blamed. As a result, you are setting up your team and depriving it of two people, which, again, in the specific conditions of Haven sets with an overpowered town, is equivalent to a loss.
All of this is just excuses. Everything is based on psychology. By the time the town figures someone out, it will be too late, and the Mafia will already have the upper hand. Why did you "sacrifice" Tenshi, if you don't sacrifice your own Mafia members here? Why did you sacrifice you?
We're not talking about "sacrificing yourself for the sake of the game," we're not talking about statements like "I think so-and-so is Mafia." We're talking about a specific method: "I'm putting my life on the line to get X eliminated." That's going too far. It's okay if you say, "If he's not Mafia, please block/kill me tonight." But threatening a modkill is just being an asshole. Trust me, as someone with experience in IRL Mafia, if you go to a respectable club and say something like, "Guys, let's execute him; if he's not Mafia, I'll reveal my role and leave the game," they simply won't let you play anymore. It's a taboo. Just a taboo. If you're an Investigator and you don't have the brains to play your role properly, except by threatening suicide if you're not listened to, then don't play Mafia.
We're not talking about "sacrificing yourself for the sake of revealing someone," and we're not talking about statements like "I think so-and-so is Mafia." We're talking about a specific method: "I'm putting my life on the line to reveal X." That's over the limit. It's okay if you say, "If he's not Mafia, please block/kill me tonight." But threatening a modkill is just being an asshole. Believe me, as someone with experience in real-life Mafia games, if you go to a respectable club and say something like, "Guys, let's execute him; if he's not Mafia, I'll reveal my role and leave the game," they simply won't let you play anymore. It's a taboo. Just a taboo. If you're an investigator and you don't have the brains to play your role properly, except by threatening suicide if you're not listened to, then don't play Mafia.
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HEROIST, WHERE'S YOUR SIGNATURE PHRASE?
Am I mistaken, or is this being said by the person who started arguments with someone here, lost them, and then posted some photos afterward? Or am I mistaken?
Regardless, no matter how hard you try, no rules have been broken by this. Moreover, it's a common gameplay model for some players, regardless of which side they're on.
Regarding Tox, the rules, and the ban on bets. Tox, have you decided to turn the game into a flame war? When Tenshi was executed, you ranted hysterical nonsense about the town being noobs and playing poorly. Now you're spewing no less hysteria about the GM writing the rules incorrectly. Couldn't you have done this before the game? Frankly, HeroesWorld is very lucky that bets are still not banned here. In other words, this tactic is used so rarely that it's not even mentioned in the rules. I've only seen this in Ian's games, as well as on other forums. I advise GMs to include a clause banning bets in the future. But for now, even though rules aren't changed mid-game, let's just ban bets... Can't we manage without them?
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк.. Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов. Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
Even if you try your hardest, no rules are being broken by this.
5. Revealing knowledge gained from your role, as well as hinting at your role, is STRICTLY PROHIBITED.
I am offering my life in exchange for the execution of a specific person, showing that I am 100% sure that they are Mafia. In doing so, I am revealing knowledge about my role.
If Kosha were a normal player, she would have found other ways to discredit Tenshi. Instead, she says, "I am SO SURE of her being Mafia that I will leave the game if it's not true." If this isn't a hint about her role, then what is it?
So, let's not play games, this is all a matter of interpretation. I see a hint here and a violation of the rules.
Added 4 minutes later I agree with Sesam. When you join a Mafia club, you cannot reveal your role card at your own discretion. You can't even threaten to do so, because that would be a violation of the key rules. If you still decide to turn it over, you will be kicked out of the game.
Let's respect the rules of Mafia. I suggest banning self-initiated modkills. Then, you can't even threaten with them. If someone stubbornly does this anyway, they should be banned for a few games to reflect on their behavior.
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