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"Новичок-2014. Summer"

Greetings to all fans of Heroes of Might and Magic 3, future participants, and supporters of the traditional "Новичок" tournament. And even if you are not a fan of Heroes :eek: , I still welcome you and invite you to the new season. I hope it will bring great games and discoveries of new players.
This is our traditional, already eleventh tournament for Новичок.
We do not have a precise and strict definition of who a "новичок" is. This tournament is for those
- who only recently realized that you can play the favorite old game Heroes online,
- who only recently found out that they are not the only ones who can easily beat computers and that things are not so simple with a real person,
- who recently started playing with more than one or two heroes and building chains...
We do not invite fathers and grandfathers, we do not want to see clones, and would a medal obtained in such a dubious way even have value for a strong player?
The main goal of the tournament is to get to know each other and gain experience in communication and gameplay.

Winners of past tournaments:
"Новичок-2014. Winter" - Aiwe
"Новичок-2013. Summer" - The_
"Новичок-2013. Winter" - высокий
"Новичок-2012. Summer" - twaryna
"Новичок-2012. Winter" - 7z
"Новичок-2011. Summer" - Sky Pioneer
"Новичок-2011. Winter" - Sevensan
"Новичок-2010. Summer" - тенью бездомной
"Новичок-2010. Winter" - Сатир
"Новичок-2009. Summer" - Erdem

Participant Requirements:
1. registration on the HW forum between June 1 2013 and June 6 2014;
2. total experience playing HoMM3 online - no more than 1 year; long breaks in play are discussed individually;
3. absence of strong results in tournaments on HW and other resources (specifically, 1-3 places in previous "Новичок" tournaments or any other tournament, reaching the final stages of major tournaments) - subject to the organizers' opinion;
4. participation prior to this tournament in no more than one "Новичок" tournament;
5. absence of forfeits or withdrawals in other tournaments;
6. availability of time and ability to play 1 game per week (consider the time zone) - priority playing times are considered 19-24 MSK on weekdays and 12-24 MSK on weekends;
7. at least 5 games on the HW forum (can be played before the participant list is approved) with different opponents and detailed reports - organizers need to ensure that you can technically play online and have an understanding of the rules of play on HeroesWorld. Tournament organizers Roger DAltavilla (IСQ 624681987), Iamsamstan (IСQ 435191039) can play with you if you cannot find an opponent;
8. players wishing to participate in the tournament agree to provide any additional information requested by the tournament judges;
9. players agree to the regulations and rules of the tournament;
10. players are required to closely follow all announcements from organizers in the tournament thread.

Organizers reserve the right to deny registration to any player without a public explanation of reasons.
Players who have an earlier or later registration on the forum but wish to play in the tournament may submit an application, which will be considered on an individual basis.

Submit applications in this thread. There is a Detailed instruction with pictures FAQ17 on the forum explaining how to do this.
You need to do the following:
1. Check if your ICQ number is entered in your profile; add it if it is missing.
If it is in your profile, a small green daisy - the ICQ symbol - is visible under the avatar. If not, follow the algorithm.
2. Leave an application in this thread. To do this, click the Sign up for tournament button located at the beginning of this thread and at the top of each page.
3. In the application, specify convenient times (days and hours) for playing and your time zone.
4. 2-3 days before the draw, you must contact the lead Roger DAltavilla (IСQ 624681987) to confirm participation. Players who disappear from the forum (no user activity for a week) will not be admitted to the draw.

Organizational Matters.
1. Leads - Roger DAltavilla (IСQ 624681987), Iamsamstan (IСQ 435191039). Judge - Pit for LM (ICQ 471401475).
2. The tournament is held according to the Rules of organization, conduct and participation in HOMM3 online tournaments.
3. Organizers will make changes to the rules and regulations during the tournament if necessary.
4. For each played game, participants must submit a detailed report and detailed confirmation in this thread. Only then is the game counted. All tournament reports must be written using the automatic report writing system: Detailed instruction with pictures FAQ18.
- To create a report, click the New report button located at the top of each page of the thread and fill in all necessary fields according to the template. After that, write your detailed comments on the game.
- To confirm a report, the second player must find the game report, click the Confirm report button and also write a detailed report.
- It is considered good tone to thank the opponent for the game.
5. All tournament games go into the HoMM3 HW Player Rating.
6. Technical results are assigned for games not played within the established timeframe.
7. Saves and password files for all games must be kept until the end of the tournament and presented upon first request by the leads, judges, or any member of the AC. Forgetting or losing a game password may serve as grounds for assigning a technical defeat in the game.
8. Disputed points, if any arise, are requested to be discussed off-forum. For resolution, you must contact the lead or judge in ICQ and provide daily saves, ICQ logs, and other necessary information.
The same's decision is based primarily on tournament rules. If a situation is not regulated by the rules, judges are guided by basic logic and gaming ethics.
9. The tournament winner will be awarded the "Winner of Tournament 'Новичок'" medal under their avatar:

Regulations.
To be determined later, depending on the number of registered participants. We expect a traditional scheme: group stage + team tournament + play-offs.
So, the number of participants has been determined. Clarifying the regulations:
Stage 1. 24 participants are divided into 4 groups of 6 people. A round-robin tournament is held in each group, where everyone plays everyone else once. 1 point is given for a win, 0.5 points for a draw, and zero for a loss. The 4 people with the best results advance from the group to the next stage. Result criteria by order of importance: 1) points earned, 2) Berger coefficient, 3) result of head-to-head meeting. If these criteria are insufficient, players will be offered a system of tie-breaker games. If that also fails, democratic judicial discretion will be applied.
Stage 2. Tournament of novices against veterans. NP vs LM More details in post №3
Stage 3. Play-off. Starts on August 11 2014. Conducted via an Olympic system with elimination after the second lost match. Each match in the upper bracket is played until two wins, and in the lower bracket until one win. Time limit for 1 game - 1 week. (The loser in the upper bracket moves to the lower bracket and continues playing there. The loser in the lower bracket is eliminated from the competition.)
For templates in the first game, the player listed first in the pair chooses first; their opponent chooses castles first. In the second game, you switch places. For the third game, you may toss a coin or ask the organizer.

Dates.
Registration - June 7 2014 - June 30 2014.
Approval of participant list - July 1-4 2014.
Group stage draw and tournament start - July 5 2014.
Time limit for one game - 1 week.

Rules.
1. Game version. The tournament is held on game version SoD 3.2(4.0) + HD mod + by mutual consent HW_rulez (for correct operation, the patch must be installed for both players).
2. The tournament is conducted according to the rules of online games in Heroes 3.
3. Restarts total 3 days ( 111+111+111 or 111+112 or 113).
4. In the initial stage of the tournament, games are played on template 2sm4d(3). In the final part of the tournament, the template is chosen by drawing from a list of 5 templates: 2sm4d(3), jebus Cross, Panic, 8mm6a (version without one-way paths), mini nostalgia.
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"New Players" vs "Legends and Myths". Post-tournament discussion is here.

The LM team has been joined by Maretti, winner of the Jebus Cross and Favorites tournaments, and a multiple seasonal champion.

Dear newcomers! Start making arrangements and playing now. The NP team will be expanded; it will become difficult for the Legends to play against everyone at once towards the end of the tournament period, so you might miss out.
Kashchei
Please register me for the tournament in the Newcomers category.
Egor Korobeynikov
please register me for the tournament
In the sub-tournament on the Newcomers side, those who scored 2 or more points during the group stage participate – only participants of the "Novichok-2014. Summer" tournament. Players join the LM team based on a personal invitation from the captain.
We are not setting ourselves the goal of organizing another tournament for the entire forum in parallel. And your "newcomer status" is highly questionable.
Or, Egor, did you sign up for the Legends? Unfortunately, simply clicking a button or writing a statement to the President of Honduras is not enough to get into the Legends.
To avoid disappointment, have Kashchei vs. Egor Korobeynikov play a match in the seasonal competition.
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Could you please tell me which template without one-sided matches is for 8mm6a? Is it the one called 8mm6b? Or 8mm6c? Or is there another one?
This template will be used in the beginners' tournament.

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So, today marks the end of round 4. Unfortunately, this week was not very productive; we only have 4 reports. We need to get together and finish the group stage, which ends on August 9th. If your opponents are ignoring you, you also need to let me know about it. I will schedule a mandatory time for playing the remaining matches. Otherwise, technical results will be assigned, and some people might not like that. Mutual tech losses are especially unpleasant, as both players receive a loss.
Also, remember that players who have scored 2 or more points must play against someone from the Legends team.
Воздам сторицей!
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Please register me for the tournament.
Registration for the tournament ended on June 6th. The next Novice tournament will open in December.
Воздам сторицей!
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We played without restarts. Got 2 native heroes, ended up with around 150 Troglodytes, and 3 Dragon Fly Hives were scouted on day 1, along with external dwellings of Gaze and Medusa, and Boots for 40 gr. orcs (took Shakti on day 1, losing 17 Troglodytes). On day 2, I picked Earth in the University.

The respawn turned out to be huge, stretching from one corner of the map to the other vertically. An external dragon dwelling was found behind Cyclopes and a Pandora's Box, as well as 3 Gaze external dwellings. It was 2 days of travel to the Dragon Utopia with the Log, Boots, and Haste. The Dragon Utopia itself had 4 different units and Death Knights, all off-road.

I was faced with a choice: Portal the dragons or build a fat stack of Gaze. I opted for the second option. Collected 61 Gaze and 31 Dragon Flies and ran to the Dragon Utopia. I planned to emerge on 123. The main problem was the lack of Slow. A pile of scrolls, the native guild, and secondary skills, on which Shakti wasted a couple of travel days, didn't provide the needed spell. And I made a mistake—I decided to take a level 3 Dragon Utopia before the main one and left all my Gaze and 8 Dragon Flies there. I got complete junk and had nothing left to emerge with. I had to rebuild dragons, take the external dwelling, upgrade them, and emerge on 131.

If this weren't a tournament game, I would have surrendered after the Dragon Utopia and not wasted my opponent's time. But I decided to check out the center anyway—it was very large, with many Dragon Fly Hives, good artifacts, and Dragon Utopias. But I found all of this too late, and by that time Tazar had already become indecently leveled.

Even though I found КЗ and could, in theory, try to mass dragons (there was another external dwelling), I decided to go for a final showdown by holing up in the central Castle. I had a cunning plan to cast Anti-Magic on the Dragon Flies and throw Implosion, but he had a Cloak of Rejection. There was no chance in the final battle.

Thanks to Tvarina for the game and for analyzing my mistakes on the stream. Also, my gratitude to the tournament organizers—an excellent experience and special emotions from the game!)
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Подземелье / Dungeon Faction Подземелье / Dungeon
Шакти / Shakti Start Hero Шакти / Shakti
Шакти / Shakti Main Hero Шакти / Shakti
Поражение / Lose Поражение / Lose
Крепость / Fortress Faction Крепость / Fortress
Тазар / Tazar Start Hero Тазар / Tazar
Тазар / Tazar Main Hero Тазар / Tazar
Map Template
Jebus Cross
Game Length
135 days
Game Date
8/3/2014
Reported
8/3/2014 9:56 PM
Rating Impact Archived
Falcone 1551 1539 -12 ↓
twaryna 1632 1644 +12 ↑
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 8/5/2014 11:43 AM

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Very poor respawn came in. But at the start, the meat generation wasn't bad. Had money problems the whole game. Build order was very poor. But Tazar broke through almost without losses, without losing the power stack, took a mini Dragon Fly Hive, an external dwelling of snakes, there were also external dwellings of behemoths and shooters but very far away, everything was very inconvenient. Griffon Conservatory under Castle level 3, took it on week 3, already when the opponent appeared, a scout came on birds, attacked Tazar and immediately bought peace. Then Kyrre takes another mini Dragon Fly Hive, Tazar moves out to the opponent and takes his main, which was left with a small army on a peashooter. Tazar went further, captured another town, takes a chest, it has 15 griffins. Here Luna appears, recaptures her main, but she doesn't have much of a power stack. Split the troops with Kyrre. Tazar attacked Luna in the Castle. Only angels, snakes, and wyverns fought; the treaders stood and waited by the walls until all the flying ones were killed by Luna's bolt and the Castle's towers. Had to buy peace, but Luna was left with only a couple dozen fire elementals and 4 water elementals. Then Tazar attacks Conflux again after a couple of turns, Luna isn't there, Conflux on a peashooter. Then captured 2 more towns. Luna locked herself in a neighboring Conflux (double). Tazar takes a chest of 10k for efreets and a level 3 Griffon Conservatory in the same place. Opponent writes gg. Thanks for the game!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8vJvj4KSyA&feature=youtu.be
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Крепость / Fortress Faction Крепость / Fortress
Тазар / Tazar Start Hero Тазар / Tazar
Тазар / Tazar Main Hero Тазар / Tazar
Победа / Def Победа / Def
Сопряжение / Conflux Faction Сопряжение / Conflux
Лакус / Lacus Start Hero Лакус / Lacus
Луна / Luna Main Hero Луна / Luna
Map Template
2sm4d(3)
Game Length
232 days
Game Date
8/3/2014
Reported
8/3/2014 10:10 PM
Rating Impact Archived
Svetogor 1478 1482 +4 ↑
ДаУ 1175 1171 -4 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 8/4/2014 5:08 AM

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Interesting game. I played against a bot and lost 4 Phoenixes and an Angel in the second round. Right after that, during the split at 127, I didn't have enough money to recruit Luna from the tavern. Thanks for the game. I'm withdrawing from the tournament, as I don't see any further prospects for myself, and I'm conceding the victory to Tofsle. Also, long games take too much time. But I enjoyed the tournament, thank you.
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Ландау лев https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNj_9EQxDoI&t=1174s

Тут делимся книгами /topic/at/1139927/
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I took rest 112, then the opponent took two rests on 111 (where there was a good deal :) ) and we were off. If I had known the respawn would be so pathetic, I would have taken the last 111, but I had to endure. Small respawn, shooter blocks on secondary, had to improvise, we played with HeroesWorld rulez without level 2, spent two days on archers. Ran around with Vale and Alagar, farming cash, wood was through the roof, got a level 1 cons, GO - horde of greyscale unicorns + a few crystal (or rusty) ones. On day 1, I saw the opponent already had two or more castles, thought the game was over then and there. Put horses in the citadel, stables were thankfully found deep in the respawn, grabbed a stack of swords at 117, on 121 upgraded 5 horses and with 31 marks I took cons, immediately ran with momentum to break through a crowd of orcs on secondary - swamp, and with scout I see the opponent's castle in the swamp. On 123 I took the castle, built a citadel there and sat Alagar with an angel, 5 horses and 31 marks +60 mana, with scout I see another cons in the swamp, but unguarded - thought the opponent had already taken it. And then news of surrender arrives - the opponent died in the treasure zone, seeing no prospects for development. The cons was a level two cons and he didn't go for it.
Thanks for the game!

P.S. Out of curiosity, I entered the cons and without oil took it with Vale, an angel, 5 horses, 31 marks, and 15 swords + some level 1 gnolls)) Lost 6 swords, the gnolls, and 1 mark:)
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Замок / Castle Faction Замок / Castle
Валеска / Valeska Start Hero Валеска / Valeska
Валеска / Valeska Main Hero Валеска / Valeska
Победа / Def Победа / Def
Подземелье / Dungeon Faction Подземелье / Dungeon
Шакти / Shakti Start Hero Шакти / Shakti
Шакти / Shakti Main Hero Шакти / Shakti
Map Template
2sm4d(3)
Game Length
123 days
Game Date
8/4/2014
Reported
8/4/2014 7:26 PM
Rating Impact Archived
kinger 1459 1473 +14 ↑
Spinhead 1435 1421 -14 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 8/5/2014 9:48 AM

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I took rest 112, then the opponent took two rests at 111 (where there was a good treasure distribution:) ) and we were off. If I had known there would be such a wretched respawn, I would have taken the last 111, but I had to endure. Small respawn, shooter blocks on secondary skills, I had to improvise; we played with HeroesWorld rules without level 2, spent two days on archers. I ran around with Vale and Alagar, earning money, wood was overflowing, I have a level 1 cons, ГО - a horde of upgraded unicorns + a few crystal (or rust) ones. On the first day I saw that the opponent already had two or more castles, thought the game was over. I put cavalry in the citadel; stables, thank God, were found deep in the respawn; I took the sword shrine at 117, on 121 upgraded 5 cavalry and with 31 marks took the cons, immediately ran with speed boost to break through a crowd of orcs on the secondary skill — a swamp — and with scouting I see the opponent's castle in the swamp. On 123 I took the castle, built a citadel there and placed Alagar with an angel, 5 cavalry, and 31 marks +60 mana; with a spoon I see another cons in the swamp, but unguarded — thought the opponent had already taken it. And then news of surrender arrives — the opponent gave up in the treasure zone, not seeing any prospects for development. The cons was a level two and he didn't go for it.
Thank you for the game!

P.S. Out of interest, I went into the cons and, without oil, took it with Vale, an angel, 5 cavalry, 31 marks, and 15 swords + level 1 gnolls)) Lost 6 swords, the gnolls, and 1 mark:)
The respawn turned out to be terrible. Both the home zone and the adjacent one (swamp), with shooter blocks on the roads. Basically, there was no point in continuing given the opponent's development pace.
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We played without restarts. 2 native heroes arrived, ended up with around 150 Troglodytes, 3 Dragon Fly Hives were scouted on the first day, external dwellings of eyes and medusas, and Boots for 40 gr. orcs (took them on the first day with Shakti, losing 17 Troglodytes). On the 2nd day in the university I took earth magic.

The respawn turned out to be huge, stretching from one corner of the map to the other vertically. A dragon external dwelling was found behind cyclopes and a Pandora's box, as well as 3 eye external dwellings. 2 days of travel to the ГО with the log, Boots, and haste. The ГО itself consisted of 4 different units and death knights via roadless terrain.

I faced a choice: to portal the dragons or make a fat stack of eyes. I preferred the second option. Collected 61 eyes, 31 Dragon Flies and ran to the ГО. I planned to exit on day 123. The main problem was the lack of slow. Lots of scrolls, the native guild, and secondary skills, on which I wasted a couple of days of travel for Shakti, did not give the needed spell. And I made a mistake — I decided to take a level 3 Dragon Utopia before the ГО and left all the eyes and 8 Dragon Flies there. Gave complete junk and there was nothing left to exit with. Had to rebuild dragons, take the external dwelling, upgrade them, and exit on day 131.

If it weren't a tournament game, I would have surrendered after the Dragon Utopia and not wasted my opponent's time. But I decided to check the center anyway — it was very big, many Dragon Fly Hives, good artifacts, Dragon Utopias. But I found all this too late, and by that time Tazar had leveled up indecently.

Although I found КЗ and could theoretically try to mass dragons (there was another external dwelling), I decided to have a final stand by holing up in the central Castle. There was a cunning plan to put anti-magic on the Dragon Flies and throw imps, but there was a Cloak of Rejection. No chance in FB.

Thanks to Twaryn for the game and analyzing my mistakes on the stream. Also thanks to the tournament organizers — great experience and special emotions from the game)

Confirmed. Thanks for the game!
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A very strong opponent, no question about it, I'm a newbie. Thanks for the game:D
The cards were dealt very well, but I didn't play them properly, I lack experience. I entered the Treasury, and the opponent punished me:D
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Цитадель / Stronghold Faction Цитадель / Stronghold
Крег Хак / Crag Hack Start Hero Крег Хак / Crag Hack
Крег Хак / Crag Hack Main Hero Крег Хак / Crag Hack
Поражение / Lose Поражение / Lose
Подземелье / Dungeon Faction Подземелье / Dungeon
Шакти / Shakti Start Hero Шакти / Shakti
Шакти / Shakti Main Hero Шакти / Shakti
Map Template
Jebus Cross
Game Length
127 days
Game Date
8/5/2014
Reported
8/5/2014 1:31 PM
Rating Impact Archived
R@sIM 1510 1506 -4 ↓
KobRa_RR 1799 1803 +4 ↑
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 8/7/2014 9:17 AM

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A town without gogs, Octavia with a stack of gogs + Calh with 2 stacks and a dungeon hero with a stack of troglodytes, decided not to restart. The respawn is small, nothing worthwhile on it, but acceptable blocks for secondaries. On day 1 week 2 week 2 month 1, a very hard fail happened (I'll add screenshots). I tried to take a secondary via the mill as a noob, but couldn't go back the same way without a fight. Had to fight and I lost all the meat. Then wasted the entire second week. From native creature banks, only imps; it was hard to get back into the game. There was an underground treasure zone, I went into it on day 1 week 3 week 2 month 1, hoping it would be native to me, but there was an immediate block of 50-99 cerberi. I attacked, there turned out to be 99 (for a Pandora's Box of 5k gold), lost a fair amount of troops (2 efreeti, 4 pit fiends, 10 demons) and then another block of 130 dragonflies, which left me with 5 efreeti and 30+ gogs. With such an army in the third week, there's nothing to do. Decided not to drag it out, since the opponent was doing well + I saw him taking the Griffin Conservatory, while my map had no such luck. Thanks for the game
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Инферно / Inferno Faction Инферно / Inferno
Октавия / Octavia Start Hero Октавия / Octavia
Гундула / Gundula Main Hero Гундула / Gundula
Поражение / Lose Поражение / Lose
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Ивор / Ivor Start Hero Ивор / Ivor
Ивор / Ivor Main Hero Ивор / Ivor
Map Template
2sm4d(3)
Game Length
134 days
Game Date
8/5/2014
Reported
8/5/2014 2:13 PM
Rating Impact Archived
skd 1467 1449 -18 ↓
SP_SkyLine 1371 1389 +18 ↑
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 8/5/2014 2:51 PM

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A town without gogs, Octavia with a stack of gogs + Gog with 2 stacks and a Dungeon hero with a stack of Troglodytes, decided not to restart. The respawn is small, nothing worthwhile on it, but acceptable blocks for secondary towns. On day 122 a very hard fail happened (will add screenshots). I sent a scout hero to take a secondary town, through a windmill, but couldn't go back the same way without a fight. Had to fight and I lost all the meat. Then wasted the entire second week. From native chests only imps, it was hard to get back into the game. There was an underground treasure zone, went into it on day 131, hoping it would be native, but there was an immediate block of 50-99 Cerberi. Attacked, there turned out to be 99 (for a Pandora's Box of 5k gold), lost a fair amount of troops (2 Efreeti, 4 Pit Fiends, 10 Demons) and then another block of 130 Dragon Flies, which left me with 5 Efreeti and 30+ gogs. With such an army in the third week there's nothing to do. Decided not to drag it out, since the opponent had a pretty good situation + I saw him taking a Griffin Conservatory, and there was no such fortune on my map. Thanks for the game

We scratched each other up pretty well, took a 111 once, in the second generation found a stable + see 2 Griffin Conservatories, decided to play, although there was very little meat. The start was very tough, had to break through evil blocks that even got morale, in the end by day 117 only 8 Grand Elves, managed to stick in the horses but didn't buy them out. But saw as many as 4 Griffin Conservatories + a Dragon Fly Hive. All this goodness is scattered around the corners very substantially, the terrain is somewhat crooked, and my super papal chains were "delightful". In the end by the start of the third week had 5 Angels (from three Griffin Conservatories) + another 3 Griffin Conservatories to be reached in the next 2 days. From the last Griffin Conservatory a convenient exit to the treasure zone, where a Dragon Fly Hive, good boxes and a Dragon Utopia were seen.
Wanted to save the game, but the opponent decided not to drag the game out further.
Thanks for the game!

P.S. The opponent probably didn't restart because of 25 gogs on the first day, otherwise he got dealt completely rotten crap
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