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AlexeyPank;68517
It is still necessary to establish clear definitions: when a tournament will be considered rated. Therefore, I propose the following numbers:
Heroes 1 - 5 people.
Heroes 2 - 7 people.
Heroes 3 - 10 people.
Heroes 4 - 5 people.
Heroes 5 - 10 people.
For the third one, the limit could be raised even further, as it is the most popular part. Tournaments like these can already be considered rated; the representation will be quite sufficient.
It seems I'll have to agree, BUT for official tournaments, such as the Kanigem tournament, I propose that all stages be considered rated regardless of the number of participants! Otherwise, you'll actually never get a rating for the fourth one on this resource :) And besides, by doing this, we will raise the prestige of the Kanigem tournament!
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Yes, I think that with the right organization of the tournament, and with 5 people per team in the fourth stage, it is quite feasible. For example, in the first stage, around 20 participants have already registered. Even if only half of them send in their saves, that's twice the minimum number of participants. So, I think there will always be a quorum in the King's Bounty tournament. Although, if it doesn't reach that number, I think it should still be recognized as a ranked tournament, just like an official one.
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We still need to establish clear definitions: when will a Tournaments be considered a ranked one? The proposed figures of 2-4 people (depending on the version) are clearly too small. For example: I organize a Tournaments. I don't inform anyone about it. I quickly prepare a starting save, even intentionally with flaws. Obviously, no one wants to play in such a Tournaments. But! I invite two or three friends, we play through this Tournaments together, and there you have it, a free ranking. This is not right. Therefore, I propose the following figures:
Heroes 1 - 5 people.
Heroes 2 - 7 people.
Heroes 3 - 10 people.
Heroes 4 - 5 people.
Heroes 5 - 10 people.
For the third game, the limit can be raised even higher, as it is the most popular part. These Tournaments can already be considered ranked, and the representation will be quite sufficient.

I would like to note that a Centralized system for organizing Tournaments is currently being considered.

First of all, it is necessary to make a clear distinction between OFFICIAL TOURNAMENTS – with prizes, rankings, and rules – and UNOFFICIAL, fan Tournaments without taking all of this into account.
This needs to be done in order to increase not only the status of www.heroesworld.ru as a serious gaming resource for the Heroes series on the World Wide Web, but also to encourage users to
participate in Tournaments of DIFFERENT levels.
Fan Tournaments are designed both for training new players and novice organizers, and they can also have a positive impact on various kinds of experiments.

Also, it is necessary to combine ALL SECTIONS ON TOURNAMENTS into one section to reduce confusion among users. And in this section, TOURNAMENTS, create subsections: Tournaments for Heroes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

And, of course, do not forget about a topic in which absolutely all Tournaments held on www.heroesworld.ru would be displayed, regardless of the Tournaments status.

Sincerely, VDV_forever
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to VDV_forever: I agree with you, but with a slight reservation...
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First of all, it is necessary to clearly separate OFFICIAL TOURNAMENTS – with prizes, ratings, and rules – from UNOFFICIAL, fan-made tournaments without taking all of this into account.
In my opinion, rating points should be awarded for fan-made tournaments, provided that certain restrictions are observed, because if we don't award rating points, we might end up with no such tournaments at all...

Sincerely.

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Kyle;68643
to VDV_forever: I agree with you, but with a small caveat...
In my opinion, fan tournaments should award rating points, provided that certain restrictions are observed, because if we don't award rating points, we might end up with no fan tournaments at all...
Sincerely.
I also support Kyle on this issue, with a small caveat. Official tournaments should consider both rating and the number of players, regardless of how many people participate (even if only one person plays). For fan tournaments, the number of players should be considered to recognize the tournament as a valid and rating-awarding event.
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IronAxe;68662
I also support Kyle on this issue, with a slight reservation. In official tournaments, both rating and gameplay should be taken into account, regardless of the number of participants (even if only one person plays). And in fan tournaments, the number of participants should be taken into account to recognize this tournament as both a gameplay and rating event.
Thank you for your support.
But I don't think gameplay points should be awarded in fan tournaments! Let this be the prerogative of official tournaments! Otherwise, they won't be different at all! And the official one should be more significant...

Sincerely.

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Kyle;68666
Thank you for your support.
I just don't think we should award Grail points for fan tournaments! Let that be the prerogative of official tournaments! Otherwise, they won't be distinguishable!
And official tournaments should be more significant...
Sincerely.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. But for now, the situation is as follows. For example, I know for sure that some players only play Heroes 3. And it turns out that there may not be an official tournament for Heroes 3 this month. Why can't we award Grail points to a strong fan tournament if one is held this month? After all, Grail points are meant to reflect the activity of forum members in the life of the forum – that is, someone organized a tournament, someone played. In each specific case, we need to approach this flexibly. Let's say if an official tournament was held this month for Heroes 3, then only rating points can be awarded for a fan tournament for Heroes 3 in the same month. But if there was no official tournament for Heroes 3 this month, then why not award both Grail points and rating points for a fan tournament for Heroes 3? Why such a strict separation between official and fan tournaments, especially if the official tournament did not provide a corresponding tournament this month? Huh?

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Fan tournaments are designed to train both novice players and novice organizers; they can also have a positive impact on various experiments.
Sincerely, VDV_forever
Don't you think this is worthy of Grail points? ;) If Grail points are already awarded for descriptions and for creativity on the forum, then why is training suddenly free? After all, there will be players who will train, and students will also benefit from it! After all, this all relates to the activity of participants on the forum, for which you intended to reward them with Grail points, and now you suddenly decide to ignore fan tournaments? :o
P.S. In the end, you can award slightly fewer Grail points for fan tournaments than for official ones.
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IronAxe;68669
Why, if a strong fan tournament is organized this month, can't we allocate Grail points to it? After all, Grail points are meant to reflect the activity of forum members in the life of the forum – that is, someone organized a tournament, someone played.
Let's remember why we need Grail points... They are needed to form a team, and then a player with this team starts playing in the "Best of the Best" tournament... The Warlord Tournament is official, therefore Grail points should also be awarded for official tournaments! And the rating reflects the strength of players on the portal, therefore it should be awarded for both official and unofficial tournaments....

Sincerely.

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Kyle;68782
Let's remember why we need grails... We need them to build a "doll," and then the player uses this doll to compete in the "Best of the Best" tournament... The BB tournament is official, therefore grails should also be awarded from official tournaments! And the rating reflects the strength of players on the portal, therefore it should be awarded in both official and unofficial tournaments....
Respectfully.
Let's remember what grails were actually intended to be given for—not only for participating in official tournaments, but also for contributing to the portal; for example, map makers for their maps, writers for their Creation, etc. Or am I wrong? If that is the case, then participation in fan tournaments and their organizers should also be rewarded with grails. If grails are awarded ONLY for participating in official tournaments and for writing their Walkthroughs and nothing else, then I FULLY agree with Kyle.
Otherwise, the genocide of fan tournaments is unjustified :)
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IronAxe;68899
Let's remember why Grails were initially given – not only for participation in official tournaments, but also for contributions to the portal, such as mapmaking for mapmakers, writing for content creators, and so on. Or am I wrong? If so, then participation in fan tournaments and their organizers should also be rewarded with Grails.
Well, if that's the case, then I agree... I didn't know about giving Grails for work on the portal...
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If Grails will be awarded ONLY for participation in official tournaments and for writing walkthroughs, and nothing else, then I FULLY agree with Kyle.
Otherwise, the suppression of fan tournaments is unfair.
IMHO: Grails should only be given for tournaments!

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In my opinion: Grails should only be awarded for Tournaments!
Then the whole idea of VDV loses its meaning. Not all forum participants play in Tournaments, but everyone wants to get a figurine. That's why I suggested introducing a rating system to separate these two things. The rating is awarded only for Tournaments, and in this case, let Grails be awarded for anything. Because the rating is not related to the figurine in any way. But as they say, whatever VDV decides, that's how it will be - it's his idea, so he has to decide what to award Grails for and what not. But if they keep awarding for work on the portal and abandon fan Tournaments, it's not logical, and besides, it eliminates the incentive for fan Tournaments, and then I don't understand what VDV wanted to achieve by introducing Grails.
And if we take into account your opinion, Kyle, that Grails should only be awarded for Tournaments, and the rating should only be awarded for Tournaments, then you should suggest how you will reward mapmakers and other creative people who don't play in Tournaments but actively participate in the forum's life, at least by creating maps for Tournament players. Well, let's come up with some special tokens and medals specifically for them. Or let's leave a single currency for figurines on the forum for everyone and an alternative - a game rating for each player who participates in Tournaments.
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Let's first define what distinguishes an official tournament from an unofficial one. Otherwise, we will be arguing over nothing. I propose the following definitions:
1. Official Tournament - conducted by members of the portal management. These are held regularly (a strict schedule needs to be established). They are recognized as having taken place with a minimum of 3 participants (so that it is a tournament, not a single-player game). For participating, players receive rating and grails according to established rules.
2. Fan Tournament - conducted by any user on the portal at any time. It is recognized as rated if a quorum is met:
Heroes 1 - 5 people.
Heroes 2 - 7 people.
Heroes 3 - 10 people.
Heroes 4 - 5 people.
Heroes 5 - 10 people.
Grails are awarded at the discretion of the organizers, but in coordination with the administration (the administration allocates a certain amount for each fan tournament).
In this case, we will have a streamlined system without contradictions.
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Let's define what distinguishes an official tournament from an unofficial one. Otherwise, we'll be arguing about nothing. I propose the following definitions:
1. Official tournament - conducted by members of the portal's administration. Held regularly (a strict schedule must be established). Recognized as valid with a minimum of 3 participants (so that it is a tournament, not just a game for one). Players receive rating points and Grails for participation according to established rules.
2. Fan tournament - conducted by any user on the portal at any time. Recognized as a rated tournament if a quorum is reached:
Heroes 1 - 5 people.
Heroes 2 - 7 people.
Heroes 3 - 10 people.
Heroes 4 - 5 people.
Heroes 5 - 10 people.
Grails are awarded at the discretion of the organizers, but with the agreement of the administration (a certain amount is allocated by the administration for each fan tournament).
In this case, we will get a well-structured system, without contradictions.
I support everything except the quorum for the official tournament. Even if one player sends the final save, I will display their result in my rating. I also believe that they should receive Grails. The player is not to blame for the fact that they participated in the tournament for a whole month while others did not send their saves. I agree with the quorum and the proposed numbers for unofficial tournaments.
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Let's clarify:
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2. Fan tournament - can be organized by any user on the portal at any time. It is considered a ranked tournament if a quorum is reached:
Heroes 1 - 5 players.
Heroes 2 - 7 players.
Heroes 3 - 10 players.
Heroes 4 - 5 players.
Heroes 5 - 10 players.
However, it must be approved by the portal administration. :smile16:
This is to prevent tournaments like the "Warlock" tournament...

Sincerely.

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Kyle;68930
Let's clarify:
At the same time, it must be approved by the portal administration. :smile16:
This is to prevent tournaments organized by, say, a Warlock...
Sincerely.
If a Warlock organizes a tournament and it gathers enough final saves to reach the quorum, then why bother the portal administration and create unnecessary bureaucracy?