It is still necessary to establish clear definitions: when a tournament will be considered rated. Therefore, I propose the following numbers:
Heroes 1 - 5 people.
Heroes 2 - 7 people.
Heroes 3 - 10 people.
Heroes 4 - 5 people.
Heroes 5 - 10 people.
For the third one, the limit could be raised even further, as it is the most popular part. Tournaments like these can already be considered rated; the representation will be quite sufficient.
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Which rating system should I choose? (see the text for details)
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We still need to establish clear definitions: when will a Tournaments be considered a ranked one? The proposed figures of 2-4 people (depending on the version) are clearly too small. For example: I organize a Tournaments. I don't inform anyone about it. I quickly prepare a starting save, even intentionally with flaws. Obviously, no one wants to play in such a Tournaments. But! I invite two or three friends, we play through this Tournaments together, and there you have it, a free ranking. This is not right. Therefore, I propose the following figures:
Heroes 1 - 5 people.
Heroes 2 - 7 people.
Heroes 3 - 10 people.
Heroes 4 - 5 people.
Heroes 5 - 10 people.
For the third game, the limit can be raised even higher, as it is the most popular part. These Tournaments can already be considered ranked, and the representation will be quite sufficient.
I would like to note that a Centralized system for organizing Tournaments is currently being considered.
First of all, it is necessary to make a clear distinction between OFFICIAL TOURNAMENTS – with prizes, rankings, and rules – and UNOFFICIAL, fan Tournaments without taking all of this into account.
This needs to be done in order to increase not only the status of www.heroesworld.ru as a serious gaming resource for the Heroes series on the World Wide Web, but also to encourage users to
participate in Tournaments of DIFFERENT levels.
Fan Tournaments are designed both for training new players and novice organizers, and they can also have a positive impact on various kinds of experiments.
Also, it is necessary to combine ALL SECTIONS ON TOURNAMENTS into one section to reduce confusion among users. And in this section, TOURNAMENTS, create subsections: Tournaments for Heroes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
And, of course, do not forget about a topic in which absolutely all Tournaments held on www.heroesworld.ru would be displayed, regardless of the Tournaments status.
Sincerely, VDV_forever
First of all, it is necessary to clearly separate OFFICIAL TOURNAMENTS – with prizes, ratings, and rules – from UNOFFICIAL, fan-made tournaments without taking all of this into account.
Sincerely.
to VDV_forever: I agree with you, but with a small caveat...
In my opinion, fan tournaments should award rating points, provided that certain restrictions are observed, because if we don't award rating points, we might end up with no fan tournaments at all...
Sincerely.
I also support Kyle on this issue, with a slight reservation. In official tournaments, both rating and gameplay should be taken into account, regardless of the number of participants (even if only one person plays). And in fan tournaments, the number of participants should be taken into account to recognize this tournament as both a gameplay and rating event.
But I don't think gameplay points should be awarded in fan tournaments! Let this be the prerogative of official tournaments! Otherwise, they won't be different at all! And the official one should be more significant...
Sincerely.
Thank you for your support.
I just don't think we should award Grail points for fan tournaments! Let that be the prerogative of official tournaments! Otherwise, they won't be distinguishable!
And official tournaments should be more significant...
Sincerely.
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Fan tournaments are designed to train both novice players and novice organizers; they can also have a positive impact on various experiments.
Sincerely, VDV_forever
P.S. In the end, you can award slightly fewer Grail points for fan tournaments than for official ones.
Why, if a strong fan tournament is organized this month, can't we allocate Grail points to it? After all, Grail points are meant to reflect the activity of forum members in the life of the forum – that is, someone organized a tournament, someone played.
Sincerely.
Let's remember why we need grails... We need them to build a "doll," and then the player uses this doll to compete in the "Best of the Best" tournament... The BB tournament is official, therefore grails should also be awarded from official tournaments! And the rating reflects the strength of players on the portal, therefore it should be awarded in both official and unofficial tournaments....
Respectfully.
Otherwise, the genocide of fan tournaments is unjustified :)
Let's remember why Grails were initially given – not only for participation in official tournaments, but also for contributions to the portal, such as mapmaking for mapmakers, writing for content creators, and so on. Or am I wrong? If so, then participation in fan tournaments and their organizers should also be rewarded with Grails.
If Grails will be awarded ONLY for participation in official tournaments and for writing walkthroughs, and nothing else, then I FULLY agree with Kyle.
Otherwise, the suppression of fan tournaments is unfair.
In my opinion: Grails should only be awarded for Tournaments!
And if we take into account your opinion, Kyle, that Grails should only be awarded for Tournaments, and the rating should only be awarded for Tournaments, then you should suggest how you will reward mapmakers and other creative people who don't play in Tournaments but actively participate in the forum's life, at least by creating maps for Tournament players. Well, let's come up with some special tokens and medals specifically for them. Or let's leave a single currency for figurines on the forum for everyone and an alternative - a game rating for each player who participates in Tournaments.
1. Official Tournament - conducted by members of the portal management. These are held regularly (a strict schedule needs to be established). They are recognized as having taken place with a minimum of 3 participants (so that it is a tournament, not a single-player game). For participating, players receive rating and grails according to established rules.
2. Fan Tournament - conducted by any user on the portal at any time. It is recognized as rated if a quorum is met:
Heroes 1 - 5 people.
Heroes 2 - 7 people.
Heroes 3 - 10 people.
Heroes 4 - 5 people.
Heroes 5 - 10 people.
Grails are awarded at the discretion of the organizers, but in coordination with the administration (the administration allocates a certain amount for each fan tournament).
In this case, we will have a streamlined system without contradictions.
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Клан Homo homini - основатель клана
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Let's define what distinguishes an official tournament from an unofficial one. Otherwise, we'll be arguing about nothing. I propose the following definitions:
1. Official tournament - conducted by members of the portal's administration. Held regularly (a strict schedule must be established). Recognized as valid with a minimum of 3 participants (so that it is a tournament, not just a game for one). Players receive rating points and Grails for participation according to established rules.
2. Fan tournament - conducted by any user on the portal at any time. Recognized as a rated tournament if a quorum is reached:
Heroes 1 - 5 people.
Heroes 2 - 7 people.
Heroes 3 - 10 people.
Heroes 4 - 5 people.
Heroes 5 - 10 people.
Grails are awarded at the discretion of the organizers, but with the agreement of the administration (a certain amount is allocated by the administration for each fan tournament).
In this case, we will get a well-structured system, without contradictions.
2. Fan tournament - can be organized by any user on the portal at any time. It is considered a ranked tournament if a quorum is reached:
Heroes 1 - 5 players.
Heroes 2 - 7 players.
Heroes 3 - 10 players.
Heroes 4 - 5 players.
Heroes 5 - 10 players.
This is to prevent tournaments like the "Warlock" tournament...
Sincerely.
Let's clarify:
At the same time, it must be approved by the portal administration. :smile16:
This is to prevent tournaments organized by, say, a Warlock...
Sincerely.
