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It’s strange to see the coordinator (even if he’s an ex-coordinator) justifying his actions to the users. Maybe I’m missing something, but these aren’t even forum rules; they’re just general life principles. I’m not talking about the substance of the actions right now. It doesn’t matter whether Hacker was right or wrong; he received a vote of no confidence, and now the administration needs to make a decision and publish it. Why drag things out unnecessarily?
because we don't have a responsible person in the most active section (Heroes 3 online). I'm not assigning it to vbn right now – he simply wouldn't be able to handle it physically.
Hmm, Alex R, that's nice of you, but in that case, what are Eugene and I doing there??? Just goofing around? Okay – I don't interfere that often – but Eugene definitely puts in a lot of work! (which, of course, doesn't diminish Vitalina's excellent work!). But in general, I'll also ask you to be more careful with your words!!
As for my opinion, I've already expressed it, and I'll repeat it once more. I'm not against Hacker, not at all! However, he acted inappropriately here. Definitely! Absolutely harmless and adequate posts were deleted!!! (I restored them myself – I know what I'm talking about!). VBN did the right thing by closing the thread... And Hacker is certainly a valuable person on the forum. However, I believe that the coordinators should monitor the overall state of the forum – and not deal with individual problems, especially if moderators are authorized to handle them!!! Otherwise, it's not clear why we have moderators here...
All of the above is just my opinion...
P.S. Oh, how many conflicts and serious, forum-wide squabbles have I experienced during my time here! They were no less significant than now – that's for sure! And nothing – the forum is alive and has only gotten better! Don't perceive this as a harbinger of the end, but as a push for new development and new achievements! That's what will happen....
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes: Лидер клана "Из многих единое" Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
Good Lord, I don't understand what kind of fuss you're making about this! Don't you feel sorry for the guy? (I'm talking about Hacker) And what about him, why are you treating him like that, does he deserve it? He's saved the forum so many times! You could be more grateful to him, otherwise the forum will die within a month! Remember my words: "it will die within a month!" Sincerely, Neira Drake.
People, I don't understand you! Why are you all attacking Hacker?! He is very important for HeroesWorld, just like Lu4ik (although he is a bit more important))). Without him, everything will only get worse! First, why take offense at someone for doing their job. Second, you won't find anyone better than him! The forum is already dying, and without him, you might as well shoot yourself (for those who didn't get it, that's figurative!) So stop nitpicking Hacker, or I'll kill you all! Regards, Neira Drake.
I generally don't understand how a coordinator who doesn't know anything about the section they moderate and has a ton of complaints against them can remain in their position? Naturally, the fact that they stayed there and made decisions without understanding the problem was bound to lead to this kind of crap, and it did. I repeat my opinion — take the example of other forums (which, by the way, are much more popular), their moderation is simple — elections are held, candidates are either requested by the community or they volunteer (and there are always takers, so don't cry about how hard and sad it is). And as a rule, the most worthy are chosen, and there are minimal conflicts afterwards in the sections they moderate. It's simple, and there's no need for long and pointless arguments. IMHO =\
I repeat my opinion: take the experience of other (and much more popular) forums. Moderation is simple there: elections are held, candidates are either requested by the public or they volunteer (and there are always willing candidates, so there's no need to complain about how difficult and sad it is). And as a rule, the most worthy are chosen, and there are fewer conflicts in the sections they moderate.
We already have exactly this system in place. ;) In the Heroes of Might and Magic III online section, there are three moderators: vbn, Ta Kotoraya..., and ewgeniy. All three have skills in Heroes of Might and Magic III online and are respected on the forum.
Also, a request to everyone: please stop dragging out this topic. It seems like we've already discussed everything. I hope for your understanding.
Good luck.
Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
I really don't understand how a coordinator who doesn't understand the section he moderates and to whom many complaints are directed can remain in his position? Naturally, the fact that he was there and, without understanding the problem, made decisions should have led to such a mess, and it did. I repeat my opinion: take the experience of other (much more popular) forums; moderation there is simple: elections are held, candidates are either requested by the public or volunteer (and there are always those who want to, there's no need to whine about how difficult and sad it is). And, as a rule, the most worthy are chosen, and there are fewer conflicts in the sections they moderate. It's simple, and there's no need for long and pointless arguments. IMHO.
I didn't pay attention to this post the first time, but since you repeated it... Take the time to study the forum before making such statements publicly. What you "suggested" already exists on the forum. And it has been for quite some time. So, it's better to check your arguments before writing them.
As for your misunderstanding, in my opinion, a coordinator shouldn't be too knowledgeable about the section he moderates. He is there to maintain order, stop arguments, and his work is not related to the game at all. Most of those who disagree simply liked to latch onto individual words and phrases in posts, interpreting them in their own way. Hacker was stopping that heatedness. Whether he was successful is another question; after all, it's not easy to do something perfectly.
I don't understand how someone who has been on the forum for 3-4 months can claim to know what's best for it:confused: Specifically, Wlk777, you pointed out something that had already been done before you, which shows your lack of awareness on this issue.
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
I just don't understand how someone who's been on the forum for 3-4 months can claim to know what's best for it? Specifically regarding you, Wlk777, you pointed out something that had already been done before you even arrived, which shows your lack of awareness on this matter.
I completely agree with this...
and I'd like to remind you that initially, Luchik asked everyone to temporarily cease the conflict until vbn arrived – did anyone listen? To be honest, I'm not on anyone's side. I believe that Kharek is also wrong, and "we" acted too hastily... there was no other way... and now it's a shame that strong and good players are leaving, and a person who has done so much for the forum is not being appreciated... because he's not just a coordinator, but also responsible for the technical aspects... and I don't know what will happen now!
ps
much more popular, by the way
so, why are you here then, if you think our portal is "not popular"?
Everything said above is purely my opinion on this "incident," and I ask you not to nitpick the words and not to start new arguments!
I understand that the main point of this "proposal" was the absence of coordinators as such.
The moderators of the section themselves stated that Hacker was wrong; what more is there to say? These are the moderators who are competent. What is the point of "suppressing enthusiasm"? If there is a heated discussion, should it be immediately shut down? Is it not allowed?
By the way, why can't a person who has been on the forum for 3 months say what would be better? Does he become blind in the first year?
No one considers Hacker to be a bad person as such; no one says that he has not done anything good, and so on. But now he was wrong, and he was wrong before, repeatedly and foolishly. In 80% of his actions, there is only a desire for personal gain (moral). Brandishing authority only in relation to those who he does not like. At least in the near future, this is how it is. This is my opinion.
at least look at an example, so you can dispute the thesis about 3-4 months
I always speak abstractly, without having anyone specific or anything specific in mind. I dispute it because I believe that it does not matter how long a person has been on the forum; if he has ideas on how to make it "better," then they are no worse than the ideas proposed by a super-duper veteran. Again, I do not have anyone specific in mind. Here, you are more looking at the issue from the position of blind defense, not even wanting to look at and think about the issue. A good argument: "you are all teenagers!" isn't that right? You are essentially saying the same thing now.
Tomorrow holds no promises Except the ones we've made
I just don't understand how someone who has been on the forum for 3-4 months can claim to know what's best for the forum?
I think the number of days since registration is not a very important factor. With the same logic, you could say that a newcomer who joins the forum has no rights, but after, say, 365 days, they will become a full-fledged user :D However, yes, I'm nitpicking, but how else? I am generally against the very concept of a "coordinator." In each section, there are its own "heroes" who, in addition to moderation, do useful things and are aware of all the content in the section.
No one considers Hacker to be inherently bad, and no one says that he hasn't done anything good. But right now, he was wrong, and he has been wrong before, repeatedly and foolishly. In 80% of his actions, there is only a desire for personal gain (moral). He only uses his authority against those he doesn't like. At least, that's how it seems in the near future. This is my opinion.
If my words are proven wrong, I will be glad.
Tomorrow holds no promises Except the ones we've made
Well, since there are already two of you, let me explain. 1) An abstract example: a game that our forum is dedicated to (any part of it) how much can your level 1 hero achieve? Compared to a level 5 hero? It's all because of a lack of experience.
2) Regarding the topic. If I rewrite the post and swap the beginning and the end, will it become clearer? In this case, the person was simply too lazy to study the forum they are on. And time is not the main criterion; the main criterion is experience. The longer you are on the forum, the better and more thoroughly you know it. This is generally true for everything. And in the same game (here's a third example). The longer you play it, the better you know the game itself. Yes, there are players who learn everything quite quickly, and there are those who don't improve their gameplay even after a year, but in most cases, it happens this way.;)
A good argument: "you're all teenagers!" isn't that true? And you're essentially saying the same thing now.
I didn't say that; these are your arguments. I only said that to suggest something, you need to know the forum, and that's not something you can do in one day.
Just as easily, one could say that a newcomer who comes to the forum has no rights, but after, say, 365 days, they will become a full-fledged user.
I didn't say that; see the previous quote.
I am generally against the very concept of a "coordinator." Each section has its own "heroes" who, in addition to moderation, do useful things and are aware of all the content in the section.
Of course, I'm against it; fewer people will be monitoring order.;)
If my words are refuted, I will be glad.
WisTrit, read StickyFingaz's post about his attitude towards Hacker. Do you think that's how you should write on the forum? And isn't that the kind of thing that gets people sent to the ban? And it's written precisely about how he is perceived. And the fact that Hacker is wrong is your personal opinion, and there's no point in trying to convince you otherwise
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
I just don't understand how someone who has been on the forum for 3-4 months can claim to know what's best for it?:confused: Specifically regarding you, Wlk777, you pointed out something that had already been done before you, which shows your lack of awareness on this matter.
Let me explain. I am new to this forum, but I've already noticed some issues. I've been registered on other forums for several years (which have many more users), and with the system they use (where the moderators of a section are clearly listed under the section's name, and any punishment is automatically sent to the punished user's private messages along with the name of the punisher), there is much more order. Here, the system is different, and I've already seen that. Therefore, what I wrote is not just my imagination; it's a system that has been proven effective in practice, and I suggest implementing it here, in accordance with the topic of this thread.
How capable is your level 1 hero compared to a level 5 hero? The reason is that he has little experience.
So, I bought a hero at the beginning of the game and left him in a mine (or just let him wander around), and at the end of the game, I took him out. Let's compare him to a support hero bought in the middle of the game, who has picked up some obelisks. And a level 1 hero is just as capable of picking up a vital pile of gold as a level 40 hero.
In this case, the person was simply too lazy to study the forum he was on.
In this situation, based on his experience in the third game section, the person expressed his opinion on how it would be better.
He didn't say that; those are your arguments. I just said that to suggest something, you need to know the forum, and that's not something you can do in one day.
This is an analogy. It may not be entirely accurate, but there are some similarities.
Read StickyFingaz's post about his attitude towards Hacker. Do you think that's how you should write on the forum? And isn't that the kind of thing that gets you sent to time out in a ban?
After being banned for no reason, you might feel like doing something like that. Why for no reason? Because many people who are knowledgeable about this issue have said so. So, it's not my opinion.
And the fact that Hacker is wrong is your personal opinion, and there's no point in trying to change my mind.
However, he is very eager to "change my mind" with his personal opinion by awarding points for nothing and issuing bans.
Tomorrow holds no promises Except the ones we've made
Take a little time to study the forum before publicly declaring things like that. What you "suggested" already exists on HeroesWorld. And not just for a month. So you'd better check your arguments before writing them.
I studied it, checked it, and didn't find a single thread like "Moderator elections for the Heroes 3 section".ZYbr
As for your misunderstanding—IMO, the coordinator doesn't really have to be that well-versed in the section they moderate. Their job there is to maintain order, stop arguments, and their work has nothing to do with the game itself.
He (she) has to know the game at least well enough to spot a cheater when 100% proof is provided, and punish them, rather than normal people who suffered themselves after wasting their time.
It's unclear who moderates the section and according to what system.
To start, you can take a look here. This lists who moderates which sections, as well as the moderator's activity in their respective section. Next, for example, go to the Heroes 3 Tournament - Tournaments for Heroes 3 - ONLINE section. At the bottom right, there is a box titled "Moderators," which shows who moderates this section. Screenshot:
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