What is your opinion about Heroes IV? — General

Dr Motor

9/25/2008 7:48 AM UTC

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I still think that good graphics are necessary. They only bother me because my computer is really bad. If I had a more powerful one, I would set the video settings higher, as long as it didn't cause the game to lag. The game should be good both inside and out.

Whether it's needed or not depends on what you mean by "graphics."
For example, after the third game, the fourth one seemed too pompous in that regard, but then I tinkered with it, removed the anime-style elements, and it became bearable.
For games of this genre, graphics at the level of the third game are perfectly sufficient. IMHO.

And even more so, 3D is completely unnecessary – this game already requires a lot of time, and if you have to rotate the camera to see something, it will take even more time...

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KonServator

9/25/2008 7:52 AM UTC

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2 DrMotor
Are you saying that if Heroes 6 had graphics on par with the third game, the new game would be a huge success?

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Dr Motor

9/25/2008 8:02 AM UTC

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2 DrMotor
Are you saying that if Heroes 6 had graphics on par with the third game, the new game would be a huge success?

I don't know about success – I doubt it, but in any case, something simpler is needed
than the fifth game. Well, let's say 3D graphics only directly in battle – so that it looks beautiful – that's still acceptable (remember Rome: Total War – it's also a good game, and the battles are amazing)

The whole point is that the developers need to make as much money as possible... and that's very discouraging. Although in this world, everything comes down to greed.

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Wistrit

9/25/2008 8:09 AM UTC

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If Heroes 6 has graphics like in Heroes 3 (which is unlikely), then it certainly won't be as popular among people who aren't hardcore fans. But if everything else is good, then I, for example, will play it. As for the graphics, I think the more advanced, the better. There's no need to simplify... P.S. And the developers need to eat too...

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Except the ones we've made

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Dr Motor

9/25/2008 8:12 AM UTC

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P.S. The developers need to eat too...

I agree;)

P.S. WisTrit, how about finishing what we started?

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KonServator

9/25/2008 8:43 AM UTC

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WisTrit;197190

Are you saying that if you don't play it, it's already bad? "Didn't live up to expectations" is nonsense. What should the 4th installment "prove"?

Because many, including myself, expected the fourth installment to be a progression from Heroes III. Instead, the developers changed the core, the structure of the game. I mean that the hero became a separate stack in battle mode. Also, the hero's personal stats stopped influencing the stats of other creatures; it's all about tactics now. It turned into an RPG-like game.

And the 5th installment is not just a collection of the best elements from previous parts; it's a DIFFERENT game, just like the 4th, the 3rd, and even the 2nd and 1st.

Of course, it's different. But the developers picked up on the ideas started in the 4th and 3rd installments and continued them.

Lord Vampire

9/25/2008 8:59 AM UTC

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The graphics will always improve. There is progress; processors, video cards, and many other things are constantly evolving. So, whether you like it or not, the graphics will be improved with each iteration. And the 3D graphics aren't that bad, and I often rotate the camera, which is very convenient and allows me to examine everything in detail without spending too much time. I don't know what you didn't like about the animation in the fourth game. It's quite appealing.

Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

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Dr Motor

9/25/2008 9:42 AM UTC

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Lord Vampire;197218

The graphics will always improve. There is progress, processors, video cards, and much more, everything is growing. So, whether you like it or not, the graphics will be improved with each iteration.

That's exactly right. The progress of information technology is largely driven by graphics, that is, games. Because, if you think about it, much less powerful machines are sufficient to perform most tasks (calculations, etc.) than what we have... but if you want to play games, then you have to spend money on hardware.

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KonServator;197217

I mean that the hero has become a separate stack in battle mode. And also, his personal stats no longer affect the stats of other creatures, only tactics. It turned out to be like an RPG.

But why immediately an RPG? Take any turn-based strategy - is the main hero just a container for troops everywhere? And even more so in an RTS? Let's take Rome: Total War, for example -
there, the generals themselves participate in the battle. And an RPG is represented as one single hero walking around, hacking and slashing, gaining experience, and leveling up.
There are no armies controlled by this hero, let alone cities. Examples: Gothic 3, Titan Quest, Diablo, etc. It's something like that in general.

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Amko

9/25/2008 10:59 AM UTC

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Dr Motor;197177

I was actually talking about real chess.
How is that inappropriate?

How can you compare the "graphics" of a real game and a virtual game?

But the argument started because of the graphics! They say that the graphics in the fifth game are great, so the game is great, and I play it, but the graphics in the fourth game are terrible, so I don't play it, which means the game is terrible.

Not at all. I (like, probably, all Heroes fans) don't think that graphics are the most important thing in games. And no one compared it to the fifth game, because the level of technology is completely different. I said that I simply don't like the design of the fourth part.

Zubr

The Wanderer certainly didn't express himself in a very "politically correct" way.

And yet they say that the criticism of the fourth game is not well-founded...:smile40:

The fifth game is pop music.

Heroes have never been and can never be pop music. It's a well-known game, but not a pop game. The genre is specific. A shooter, an MMO can be pop music... but not a TBS.

Of course, even though the castles in the fourth game are not as detailed, you can easily find any building by its appearance, but in the fifth game, you'll get tired of looking for it (spinning the camera:D).

But why look for it when it's easier to click on the corresponding button?

Lord Vampire;197189

You just called half the forum idiots, including me.

Less than half the forum. But the Wanderer definitely called more than half of them spoiled brats and ninth-graders:D

KonServator;197201

The game should be good both inside and out.

+1:)

Dr Motor;197205

For games of this genre, graphics at the level of the third game are quite enough. IMHO.

I don't agree with that, but you're right about something: it would be better if the graphics in the fourth game were completely 2D, it would look better.
P.S. nonsense

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Agentia Rec

10/5/2008 1:30 PM UTC

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I liked the fourth installment of Heroes. The game became more complex and interesting. It's great that the hero now has a more significant impact; before, it wasn't very noticeable. A distinctive and very good feature is the independent army deployment, which encourages the development of one's own tactics. The following innovations were also very appealing: the caravan and the independent movement of heroes and troops on the map. However, the campaigns weren't very good... I think that Heroes 4 is a successful step forward, while the fifth installment drags it back down...

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The fourth Heroes game quenched my interest in the third (it was thought that no game could do that...).

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AlexSander

10/5/2008 6:20 PM UTC

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The fourth installment of the Heroes series is one of the games I truly love. I haven't played the third or second parts, but compared to the fifth game, the fourth has many more advantages (this is just my opinion, and I ask fans of the fifth game not to take it to heart). For example, I prefer it when heroes actively participate in battles rather than standing on the sidelines and casting spells and launching projectiles at the fighting warriors without any risk. They become like members of parliament with immunity. Developing heroes in the fourth game is much more interesting because the artifacts are much more diverse. As for skills, both games have their own advantages. Exploring the map in the fourth game is much more engaging. All the 3D effects in the fifth game, while beautiful, unnecessarily clutter the space. Moreover, I prefer to have a broader view of the map and plan future moves, which is difficult in the fifth game due to all the flashy decorations that obscure useful items. I don't enjoy constantly rotating the camera left and right. However, the fifth game has its own advantages. I like the idea of upgrading units, especially when you can choose between two improvements. And I really dislike the choice between two buildings of the same level in the fourth game. I don't think many people choose minotaurs, hydras, ogre mages, nagas, champions, etc. P.S. Thank you to those who read all this nonsense

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Good win

10/6/2008 4:03 AM UTC

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Heroes 4 – forever. It was a cold January in 2001; I was at home with pneumonia, and my friends brought oranges and a disc with the fourth installment of the game, in English. I immediately liked the game, and it stayed with me for a long time. I remember my first steps. I didn't understand anything, but it was very interesting. At first, heroes were just a means of capturing other people's castles. Skills and abilities were a dark forest to me. But then! It turned out that wandering around with one hero was much more fun. The armies became a means of leveling up the hero. Order magic and the Warrior were a deadly combination. And if you also dug up the Ring of Great Negation... Mmm, that was something. Then, years and expansions flew by like swift horses, and finally, the long-awaited fifth installment arrived. It was a huge disappointment. The graphics immediately reminded me of Warcraft 3. The map was gaudy and overloaded, the 3D was completely unnecessary, and the disc turned out to be buggy. Maybe that's why, or maybe because we had already played the fourth installment so much, but the fifth one didn't impress me. I read on a forum that the sixth installment of the game is expected. It will be interesting to see, but I don't have any particular enthusiasm about it.

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Wistrit

10/6/2008 5:01 AM UTC

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Damn, so many of you jumped in at once! :D
And each one praises the fourth game and criticizes the fifth.:D

For example, I prefer it when heroes take the most direct part in battles, rather than standing modestly on the sidelines and casting spells and launching projectiles at the warriors fighting on the battlefield with impunity. It turns out that they are like members of parliament with immunity.

Of course, it's brilliant to expose a powerful mage to the danger of being killed in battle. It's much better to put him in front of the troops with a heavy flag in his hands. No, no... why put him far behind the army, where he can calmly cast spells or skillfully command it. Just because he's near the army in the fifth game doesn't mean he's 10 centimeters away from it.

artifacts are much more diverse

Really? I didn't notice.

In terms of skills, both have their advantages

Uh... what, half of the skills in the fifth game are useless?

All the 3D embellishments in the fifth game, although beautiful, unnecessarily clutter the space

Nothing is unnecessary; they are beautiful, and they create a wonderful picture. They don't clutter anything.

it's more interesting to take in large spaces and make plans for future moves, which is difficult in the fifth game due to all the fancy decorations that make it difficult to see useful items

Hmm... well, no offense... but that's nonsense. The "fancy decorations" don't bother anyone, only those who don't want to see anything else. Useful items are highlighted:p The camera rotation is a very convenient feature! And the fourth game doesn't have it... but it would be very useful, because there are a lot of large objects there.

A gaudy, cluttered map, completely unnecessary 3D

Even though graphics aren't the most important thing... the other parts can only dream of being like it:p
Considering the graphics is the last thing you should do.

the disc turned out to be buggy

Mine doesn't have any bugs.:)

please don't take it too seriously

I'll still defend it ;)

Thank you to those who read all this nonsense for your attention

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Except the ones we've made

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AlexSander

10/6/2008 6:44 AM UTC

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:smile38: WisTrit, don't get so worked up. I didn't say a word about "heaven and earth." This is MY personal opinion. I'm not a member of any club that puts down Heroes 5 or elevates Heroes 4 to the heavens. There's no accounting for taste. I just mean that I personally prefer Heroes 4. It would be great if the developers created a new installment of Heroes that combined all the best aspects of both games. Some of us (including me) are just used to Heroes 4, and the subsequent changes in the series seem too drastic to us. In my opinion, if a new Heroes game comes out that is completely different from Heroes 5, you and all the Heroes 5 fans will start criticizing the new game as well:smile31: for its unsuccessful, useless, annoying, etc. new features.
P.S. And in general, this topic is "attitude towards Heroes IV," where I have the right to compare this game to anything and in any way I want. Go to the Heroes 5 forum and prove its superiority there...
Hmm... And in general, what are you, a die-hard Heroes 5 fan, doing on the Heroes 4 forum? Maybe you secretly love Heroes 4 but can't admit it?

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WhiteLizard

10/6/2008 7:27 AM UTC

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I actually prefer the third game, and I try not to even remember the fourth...
A week ago, I saw a disk with Heroes 4 in the exchange, and I took it just out of curiosity... The first few minutes of the game shocked me, but then I started to feel nauseous from the glossy 3D graphics, and I just deleted the game from my computer... now I'm sitting here, regretting that I spent 30 rubles on the exchange :)
I know how the gameplay is, but in the third game, the graphics are even better! I don't know about the music, but "Era - ameno" was playing in the menu.