What is your opinion about Heroes IV? — General

KonServator

9/24/2008 4:04 PM UTC

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2ZYbr No, I certainly don't suffer from "noobism" and I don't judge a creature solely based on its appearance. But personally, when I first started playing Heroes 5, when I saw a new creature, I wouldn't immediately go and check its stats. I was only interested in the creature's level, and I would also limit myself to looking at its abilities. I just enjoyed the game. Only later did I start looking at the creatures' stats.

In general, I mean that the developers put in a lot of effort to make the creatures' animations and appearance as closely MATCH their parameters as possible.
For example, take the Plague Zombies. Looking at their bandaged legs, swollen arms, barely holding their weapons, and huge bodies, you understand that these guys aren't very mobile, they don't have a decent attack, and they should still be quite durable. And when you attack them, you hear a massive creaking sound of tearing seams. They're practically sacks of... stuff! And how bravely the Dwarven Warriors defend themselves! And you can analyze each creature individually in this way.

In my opinion, neither Heroes 3 nor Heroes 4 has such a well-developed and realistic animation as in Heroes 5.

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Wistrit

9/24/2008 4:25 PM UTC

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Generally, I mean that the developers put in a good effort to ensure that the animations and appearance of creatures correspond as much as possible to their parameters.

Are there any other discrepancies? It's hard to imagine a troglodyte killing a titan with a single snap of his fingers... really.
And a mage tearing a black dragon to pieces...
Peasants destroying cities are still relevant in Heroes III...

In my opinion, neither Heroes III nor Heroes IV has such a well-developed and realistic animation as in Heroes V.

Well, there weren't such possibilities before...

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KonServator

9/24/2008 6:34 PM UTC

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ZYbr;197090

Neither in Heroes of Might and Magic III nor in Heroes of Might and Magic V is there a feature where the castle reacts to the external landscape. Open the Academy castle standing in snowy expanses, and... what a miracle!!! Inside and OUTSIDE, there's sand!!! A desert!!! Or, during the same castle siege...
Perhaps in Heroes of Might and Magic IV, a particular building sometimes doesn't quite match the map's landscape, but at least in Heroes of Might and Magic IV, the castle's exterior never contradicts its interior.

Is this correspondence even necessary? For example, I don't particularly like a snow-covered Necropolis; it looks messy. This is definitely a bad idea from the developers, which is why they didn't include it in Heroes of Might and Magic V.

2WisTrit I didn't say that in other parts, the creatures' parameters don't match their appearance; that's a fact. Please, don't nitpick individual phrases.

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CTPAHHuK

9/24/2008 7:31 PM UTC

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In my opinion, neither Heroes III nor Heroes IV has such well-developed and realistic animations as in Heroes V.

Because Heroes V is a pop product aimed at ninth-graders and spoiled brats who get excited looking at glossy magazines.

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Lord Vampire

9/24/2008 8:20 PM UTC

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There's no need to talk about the fifth installment like that. Personally, I don't pay any attention to its graphics at all. I set everything to the minimum. Including a resolution of 640x480, and I set the battle speed to maximum so that everything moves incredibly fast. And that's it. That's how I play it. Why? Because I'm not a stickler for appearances; I don't care about the visuals. What matters most to me are the attributes, stats, and tactics. The fifth Heroes game is wonderful. And the fourth one is just as good.

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Dr Motor

9/25/2008 3:20 AM UTC

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2ZYbr
In my opinion, neither Heroes III nor Heroes IV has such well-developed, realistic animation as in Heroes V.

That's right – it's not needed there. Not at all. Absolutely!
That's exactly why more people play Heroes III than Heroes V!

"Realistic"??????:eek:
Are you playing an aviation simulator or a car simulator? What "realism" are you talking about? We're talking about a game – the essence of which is a FAIRY TALE!!!! A fairy tale, do you understand?!

I've already given an example about this with chess (see post 684 – that's where it all started :D) – here's a strategy game with the most "realistic" graphics! You won't find anything more realistic!

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Amko

9/25/2008 4:42 AM UTC

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Vampire, whether you like the graphics or not is your choice. I think that the third game looks much better in this regard. Notice, I'm not comparing it to the fifth.
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The fourth one is awful, and only awful people play it, and you yourself are a rich kid!!!11111
See, you're not the only one who can do that?;)
Dr Motor
Comparing it to chess is inappropriate, or do you always only play against the computer in chess?

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Zubr

In the fourth game, there aren't, for example, Shadow Lords, so there's not much to admire.

Too bad:D

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KonServator

9/25/2008 4:59 AM UTC

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In my opinion, the first impression of Heroes V was based on its graphics. Of course, it was a bit off-putting, not like in the third or fourth game; it was too generic, like Warcraft, and the Factions were similar to those in Warcraft (e.g., the Tower and the Inferno). Later, after replaying the campaigns, the high-quality graphics were no longer necessary, I agree, and even hindered the gameplay. And my computer isn't very powerful. When playing a map, the graphics aren't as important as the result itself. In this case, you have to set the lowest settings in the video options. I have nothing against Heroes III; I often play it with a neighbor over a local network. Due to the lower graphics, the third game wins because it doesn't lag or load slowly, and it doesn't require a fast internet connection. Therefore, it is more suitable for online play (I already wrote this at the end of post 687). But in other respects, Heroes V is in no way inferior to the third game. The fifth game even has many advantages. The universe of the fifth game is well-developed and does not lag behind the previous parts, in my opinion. The fourth game was a step in the wrong direction that didn't pay off. But, as they say, you have to learn from your mistakes. That's why we have the fifth game, whose developers took the best from the previous parts. And making the graphics the same as in Heroes III would have been ridiculous at the time when the fifth game was being created. Attracting buyers with good graphics is always a good thing.

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Dr Motor

9/25/2008 5:34 AM UTC

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Comparing it to chess is inappropriate, or do you always only play chess against the computer?

I was actually talking about real chess.
How can it be inappropriate?
After all, the essence of Heroes is chess, only much more complex.

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I have nothing against Heroes III; I often play it with a neighbor on a local network. Yes, due to the lower graphics, the third game wins because it doesn't lag or load slowly. And it doesn't require a fast internet connection. That's why it's more suitable for online play (I already wrote this at the end of post 687).

But in other respects, Heroes V is in no way inferior to the third game. The fifth game even has many advantages. The universe of the fifth game is well-developed and does not lag behind the previous parts, IMHO.

That's exactly what I meant when I said I wasn't saying anything bad about the fifth game itself. I'm not arguing that it's a good game. But the argument started because of the graphics! They said that the graphics in the fifth game are great, the game is great, I play it, but the graphics in the fourth game are crap - so I don't play it, and therefore the game is crap. That's when I said that you shouldn't judge games of this genre by their graphics!
And he got upset and started throwing insults. Is that how it should be?
We are all intelligent people here, which is why we came together because of this game, because I have always believed that only intelligent people play it. IMHO

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Zybr

9/25/2008 6:28 AM UTC

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Is this consistency even necessary? For example, I don't really like the snow-covered Necropolis; it looks dirty. This is definitely a bad idea from the developers, which is why it wasn't included in Heroes 5.

Well, maybe some people don't like the Castle even without this consistency. But what makes you say it's a bad idea? Just because it's not in Heroes 5?:eek: The Wanderer may not have expressed himself very "politically correctly," but essentially, I think he's right; Heroes 5 is pop music. The first thing that worried the developers was commercial success, not the depth of the game. Although Heroes 5 turned out to be a pretty good part of the series, its focus on the masses cannot be denied. Therefore, its main trump card is the graphics; it must be at the highest level, otherwise, you won't attract new players. And after the graphics comes everything else... I don't think it makes much sense to argue about the simplification of Heroes 5 compared to other parts.
Of course, even in Heroes 4, the Castles are not as detailed, but at least you can easily find any building by its appearance, but in Heroes 5, you'll have a hard time finding them (we rotate the camera:D).

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Lord Vampire

9/25/2008 6:36 AM UTC

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Amaranth. You just called half the forum idiots, including me :) Heroes of Might and Magic IV is the best game in the series because it's not like the others. There's no need to criticize something just because it's different. It's a shame I never really learned how to play it properly in the 4 years I had it :) I mostly love Heroes of Might and Magic V because I'm good at it.

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Wistrit

9/25/2008 6:45 AM UTC

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I didn't say that in other parts, the stats of creatures don't match their appearance; it's a fact. Please, don't nitpick individual phrases.

I just hinted that I think the match between the appearance of units and their stats in other parts is no worse than in the 5th installment.

The first thing that worried the developers was commercial success, not the depth of the game. Although the 5th installment turned out to be a pretty good part of the series, its focus on the masses has not been canceled. Therefore, its main trump card is precisely the graphics; it must be at the highest level, otherwise, it will not attract new players. And after the graphics comes everything else...

Hmm... I don't think that any part of the Heroes series wasn't aimed at commercial success. All Heroes games are aimed at the masses.
In the 4th installment, there was also good graphics for its time... otherwise, it wouldn't have attracted new players, perhaps even more so than the 5th installment does now. ;)
Graphics are unimportant... I play on the lowest settings anyway (it lags at higher settings...) and that's fine. The graphics in the 5th installment are far from the most important thing. Very far, VERY, and VERY far.
And I also played the 4th installment on the lowest settings...:smile43:

its essence is a FAIRY TALE!!!! a fairy tale, do you understand?!

Hmm... what is a FAIRY TALE?

The fourth installment was a step in the wrong direction that didn't pay off. But, as they say, you need to learn from your mistakes. That's why we have the 5th installment, whose developers took the best from previous parts. And making the graphics like in Heroes III would have been ridiculous at the time when the 5th installment was being created. Attracting buyers with good graphics is never a bad thing.

Are you saying that if you don't play it, then it's terrible? "Didn't pay off" is nonsense; what should the 4th installment have "paid off" with?
And the 5th installment is not at all a collection of the best from previous parts; it is a DIFFERENT game, just like the 4th, the 3rd, and whatever you think, also the 2nd and the 1st.

what is the first thing most people remember when it comes to the 5th installment? Isn't it the graphics?

I haven't seen a single player of the 5th installment who would praise it only for its graphics. And if we talk about those who bought the disc just to look at the beautiful picture on the cover... well, there are plenty of them in the 4th and 3rd installments too...

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Dr Motor

9/25/2008 7:33 AM UTC

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mmm... so, what is a FAIRY TALE?

how about this? everything... the plot, the creatures, the abilities - I don't know what else... - yes, absolutely everything. or what? maybe I didn't understand the question...

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And in Heroes of Might and Magic IV, I also played with the lowest settings...:smile43:

yes, I still play like that - the resolution is normal, of course - but I always turn off the animations - although my computer isn't weak - it runs noticeably faster:)

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CTPAHHuK

9/25/2008 7:35 AM UTC

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Yes, you are absolutely right, Dr Motor, you hit the nail on the head. It's a fairy tale, just that many might understand it faster if you write it as fantasy. But the essence is the same; it's a fictional world. Of course, there can be no talk of correspondence to reality.

Guys, let's remember Yoda. Where is size, and where are parameters? )))

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KonServator

9/25/2008 7:46 AM UTC

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I still think that good graphics are necessary. They only bother me because my computer is really bad. If I had a more powerful computer, I would set the video settings higher, as long as it didn't cause the game to lag. The game should be good both inside and out.

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