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#7128 10/27/2020 5:06 PM UTC

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Ment

But I wouldn't complain in your place, considering the very sluggish gameplay during the day. You could have steered the vote in the right direction a hundred times, but you didn't. Even Lynx, who was more convinced of the murderer than anyone else (and was generally better than everyone else during the day), didn't even put his execution on the agenda.

Well, I can't argue with that. We played poorly for a Mafia team. Overall, there were a lot of inactive players. It wasn't like it used to be... with 50 pages of discussions.

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#7129 10/27/2020 5:21 PM UTC

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Ment

Even Lynx, who was more convinced of the killer than anyone else (and was generally better during the day), didn't even put his execution on the agenda.

Yeah, yeah... I remember at least 2 games where I put the execution of killers on the agenda: you and Saret. Should I remind you how "successful" these attempts were? Especially in your case, when the town still had a lot of people and ranged attacks available...

Ment

You'll be a hypocrite and use mana to ultimate.

Ultimate is ultimate, but the question of "when and how you were going to get rid of him" remains...

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Fragment

A Mafotima of two people is just a duo, not a team...

Let it be a duo, what difference does it make...

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Ment

Executing Mana on the day Lynx was executed would have been suicide, given the circumstances.

If we were talking specifically about execution, then I agree. But he wouldn't have lingered and would have likely focused on the mafia at night (redirect + kill). I don't think the town would have lost if the day had gone into a "pseudo-NNV" (no night, no vote). In any case, Fragment's father was ready to remove the execution protection. x)

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#7130 10/27/2020 5:26 PM UTC

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>Yeah, yeah... I remember at least 2 games where I brought up the execution of the serial killers: you and Sareth. Should I remind you how "successful" those attempts were? Especially in your case, when the town still had a lot of people and ranged attackers available...

Well, nothing can be guaranteed, but if you don't try, then obviously there won't be any result. I personally would be willing to cooperate if I saw a situation that was conducive to it (of course, it would be good to have some guarantees for this, but a revealed Mafia member, and one who wasn't revealed too late, already looks like a good basis for cooperation. Handing him over = at least he can be isolated at night).
Besides, I was thinking that in a scenario of "5 townies, 4 Mafia," the chances of convincing the town to vote him out will be lower, of course, but on the next day, when there are "4-5 townies and 3 Mafia," and the serial killer has also used his ultimate ability and stolen votes, then I might even suggest that, yes, it's time.

>The ultimate ability is one thing, but the question of "when and how you were going to get rid of him" remains...

Partly -- with your help. Obviously. Everyone plays against everyone, so the calculations are made accordingly.
And at night, there were options, although after the serial killer's ultimate ability, things were really on a knife's edge.

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#7131 10/27/2020 5:28 PM UTC

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Evil Lizard

Let them be a duo, what difference does it make...

The difference is that the defining characteristic of a mafia team is its collective intelligence. A duo of two players is not a collective. Let's say one of them is inactive. What kind of collective intelligence is that then? It's just the same maniac, only split into two roles.

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#7132 10/27/2020 5:28 PM UTC

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If we were talking about an actual **execution**, I would agree. But he wouldn't have stayed alive and would have likely focused on the mafia (redirecting + killing) at night. I don't think the town would have lost if the day had ended in a "pseudo-NNV" (no night, no vote). In any case, Fragment's father was ready to remove the execution protection. :)

I think he would have resurrected a mafia member. I would do it that way. As a second action, I would kill someone in the town or in the mafia (but more likely in the town, as it's more advantageous to play against the mafia during the day, emphasizing that they dominate in numbers, especially with so many protections).
You're wrong to think that you're somehow disadvantaged. Everyone plays against everyone else. Maintaining balance is not easy, but people in all teams are working on it; otherwise, they will lose.

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#7133 10/27/2020 5:33 PM UTC

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Ment

Partially – by your own hands. Obviously.

Yeah.

With what hands, you were the one "hanging the reaper"? You said it yourself.

Ment

I think he would have resurrected the mafia.

I'm talking about what "What harm would it do to the city if, instead of hanging Lynx, the protection of Locken was removed?" All the mafia would be alive...

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#7134 10/27/2020 5:38 PM UTC

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I was actually thinking about starting to kill Morning at night, but the Mafia saved me from that headache. In general, of course, if it weren't for the obvious giveaway, the Mafia would have probably won, because the town was ready to execute each other until the end of the game �� Just for information!

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#7135 10/27/2020 5:42 PM UTC

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Ment

Well, you can't guarantee anything, but if you don't try, the result will obviously be zero.

Ah! I also remembered the third game (which is 99), when I said, "Hang Ment, he gets protection from execution for killing the healer and the defender." The result - as always...

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MasteR

if it weren't for the obvious giveaway, the mafia would have probably won, because the town was ready to execute each other until the end of the game for information.

But notes should probably be allowed.

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#7136 10/27/2020 5:42 PM UTC

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So, is the hypocrite, who was stripped of all votes and banned for two days, also clumsy? Or did you want to save your ultimate ability until you completely and irrevocably lost?

Author

I'm talking about the fact that "What harm would it have done to the town if, instead of hanging Lynx, they had eliminated Locken's protection?" What "revivals of mafia," all the mafia would have been alive....

Not much, we would have just lost with a 95% probability. Looking back, you wouldn't even have had to do anything for that. You kill Locken with the Reaper (as you did), and the hypocrite uses their ultimate on the mother. During the day, there's a tie in votes, the mafia aren't executed, and at night, with a high probability, one town is eliminated, but even if not, you'll have another chance to try again.

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#7137 10/27/2020 5:42 PM UTC

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Everyone plays against everyone else.

Alright, Lock, you played well, thanks! I think if you had won in the end, it would have been seen as well-deserved!

If it weren't for this mindset, perhaps the collective intelligence would have decided differently...

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#7138 10/27/2020 5:43 PM UTC

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Or just remove "point 10". And let it be a quasi-pseudo-psychomafia with total (and importantly, legal) Adeptus...

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#7139 10/27/2020 5:49 PM UTC

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Yashur

Ah! I also remembered the third game (which is 99), when I said, "Let's vote for Ment, he gets protection from execution for killing the healer and the defender." The result was, as always...

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The Mafia wins

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If it weren't for this mindset, perhaps the collective mind would have decided differently...

What's the problem with praising someone who, in my opinion, played well, at least in the daytime game? It's not directly related to the fact that he's a man, and it certainly doesn't mean that I was ready to give him the victory voluntarily; you're just imagining things.

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#7140 10/27/2020 5:54 PM UTC

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Ment

You kill Lok with the Reaper (as you always do).

Ah, Ment... You forgot that Mana has no negative damage (ND). We only killed him thanks to the board game, which allowed the Reaper to have 2 ND. We did consider the option of using the Berserker's ultimate ability and killing him with the Reaper. But you kept "nerfing" the Reaper. No father, no monster, not even a hypocrite, but specifically the Reaper. That's why I'm asking how you were going to deal with Mana in the future. The answer is simple: you couldn't. "Give the victory to Mana, but not to Mafa"... That's why I started this dialogue. When was the last time a city won with this approach? "Now" doesn't count. We were tired of Mana's constant victories, so we decided to eliminate him, taking advantage of "random chance."

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Ment

????

The fact that we won then doesn't change the overall approach to the issue: the city doesn't buff Mana, even when it's directly harmful to him. This is a "disease," in my opinion.

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#7141 10/27/2020 5:57 PM UTC

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Mana had no translation for ND, if you’ve forgotten…

And does he even know who your Reaper is? Even if he does, I couldn’t possibly have known, according to my version, your Reaper was translated to me not by Mana, but by me myself.

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But you were “hanging” the Reaper. Not the Father, not the Monster, but specifically the Reaper.

I wasn’t hanging him; I was hanging a random mafia member. After the execution, based on the description, I decided that it was the Reaper.
Even if it really was the Reaper, with your hypocrite’s ultimate ability, he’ll be killed by Mana in two days, or we can try to come up with something else to do with him.
In general, you’re just making things up, and then you’re complaining about it yourself. Well, good luck with that. I don’t see much point in continuing this conversation.

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#7142 10/27/2020 5:59 PM UTC

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MasteR

I was actually considering starting to kill Morning at night, but the Mafia saved me from that headache. In general, of course, if it weren't for the obvious giveaway, the Mafia would have probably won, because the town was ready to execute each other until the end of the game �� Just for the record!

So, did Crabby execute me on the last day just for the record? Laughter

I thought he was just confused...

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