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If you're going to port something from these models into NCF, then it should be the Weaver of Fates prototype. What’s the point of having these? We already have spiders; I wouldn’t add them, they are five times worse and ten times less appealing. Although, sooner or later, the Weaver will also be made in the style of the Faceless Ones. I would take the best elements from the "Book of Wizards" mod instead of these very improvised models. It is unclear why everyone immediately rushes for exotic things without thinking about how it will look against the background of standard NCF.

The Weaver isn't there; it needs to be created :) click

The main thing is that dredknight has updated his mega pack in his program and plans to add even more models from other mods, where you can choose whether to install them or not by downloading them with his program. Everyone has different tastes! :smile13: :smile02: :smile47:
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8 years ago
AstralLein and Wolfcat,

The idea of Chaos pack is to put in all the available NCF creatures that are to some extent acceptable.

When this is more or less done a new pack will be created that will include only the premium ones, where all of them will also go through some kind balancing if required (For example there are some T1 creatures that do 10-15 damage.).

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I will change Namtaru with the nice model that you gave me :).

Also if duplicates or some similar one exist let me know and I will remove them in the next update
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AstralLein
If you're going to port something from these models to NCF, then it should be the Weaver of Fates prototype. What's the point of these, we already have spiders; I'd rather add something five times better and ten times more appealing.
I saw many different versions – what specific models are you referring to? Honestly, many of them were just awful.
AstralLein
Although, sooner or later, the Weaver will be made in the style of the Faceless Ones.
Hmm... well, if we're talking about the work of fktifzobr@mail.ru, then they only extracted the wings from Heroes 6 (the rest is from Heroes 5). In the case of the Weaver, we have a problem with the animation of movement and changing appearance (as an option, we could leave her with only a human appearance, making her based on a witch, for example, but that would be boring).
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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AstralLein and Wolfcat,

The idea of Chaos pack is to put in all the available NCF creatures that are to some extent acceptable.

When this is more or less done a new pack will be created that will include only the premium ones, where all of them will also go through some kind balancing if required (For example there are some T1 creatures that do 10-15 damage.).

P.S.

I will change Namtaru with the nice model that you gave me :).

Also if duplicates or some similar one exist let me know and I will remove them in the next update

Еdits you made already added in the CHAOS.pak or will be in the next update?
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8 years ago
wolfcat
Еdits you made already added in the CHAOS.pak or will be in the next update?
Next update.
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Rsatkha, as I understand it, the calculator has "prices" for abilities and unit parameters entered, and based on the total price of everything that a creature has, it determines the creature's strength. Hence the question - what principle was used to determine this "price"? I assume it's entirely up to the creator of the calculator, and it's not a fact that they are a balance god, which means the calculator might calculate something incorrectly.
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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Rsatkha, as I understand it, the calculator has "prices" for abilities and unit parameters entered, and based on the total price of everything that creatures possess, it determines the creature's strength. Hence the question: what principle was used to determine this "price"? I assume it's entirely up to the creator of the calculator, and it's not a fact that he's a balance god, which means the calculator might calculate incorrectly.

It calculates using several methods, one of which is based on the formula from the respected comrade Nargott - and as everyone knows, he's a GURU when it comes to balance!

Also, NOIADE provides calculations based on averaging (a method from the respected comrade StetNoel - he calculates slightly differently), which, considering that the creatures in question are known not to have a specific structure, is quite adequate, at least the data is more adequate than what we have now!

The plan was to also add methods from two other respected comrades, namely from Alcibiadas (there is an author's implementation of his method), and also from the respected comrade TSoD, but unfortunately, they have lost the source code for their calculator versions!
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Does the calculator take the increase into account in any way? If so, it would be possible to balance urban creatures (within the scope of mods that affect cities), and it would also be useful if the idea of buildings for NCF creatures is implemented (we discussed this not so long ago). P.S.: Does the calculator take into account the synergy of some abilities? (There are abilities that, when combined, produce a greater effect than their combined value if they were working separately).
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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Does the calculator account for the stat increase in any way? If so, it could be used to balance urban creatures (within the scope of mods that affect cities), and it would also be useful if the idea of buildings for NCF creatures is implemented (we discussed this not long ago).

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P.S.: Does the calculator take into account the synergy of some abilities? (There are abilities that, when combined, produce a greater effect than their combined value if they were working separately).

If there are any thoughts about such abilities, they need to be voiced, but the synergy of some is definitely taken into account!

In my opinion, according to StetNoel's methodology, there is a dependence on the stat increase, but you should ask Nargott about urban creatures!
С уважением, Psatkha (Псатха)

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Is it necessary to equalize the levels of NOIADE units so that their total strength is approximately the same?
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psatkha
If there are any ideas about such abilities, they need to be voiced.
Here, you need to look for them, but the existence of combinations that provide synergy is a fact!
For example, I once gave the Inferno faction the Fire Wave ability, and what do you think happened? - a synergistic combination Fire Wave - Slicing Sword was created - everyone touched by the wave was also affected by the sword.
psatkha
but the synergy of some is definitely taken into account!
Good if that's the case!
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...

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