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Sevan_80

12/2/2017 10:09 AM UTC

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Tournament "Новичок – 2018. Winter"

We welcome all fans of Heroes of Might and Magic 3, future participants and spectators of the traditional tournament "Новичок".
This is a traditional tournament for Новичок players. We hope it will delight us with good games and new, breakout players.
The main goal of the tournament is to get to know each other and gain experience in communication and gameplay.

Past tournament winners:
"Новичок-2017. Winter" – graalzzz
"Новичок-2016. Summer" - caliban
"Новичок-2016. Winter" - Antiplayer
"Новичок-2015. Summer" - tun7gus7
"Новичок-2015. Winter" – Socrat
"Новичок-2014. Summer" - Falcone
"Новичок-2014. Winter" - Aiwe
"Новичок-2013. Summer" - The_
"Новичок-2013. Winter" - высокий
"Новичок-2012. Summer" - twaryna
"Новичок-2012. Winter" - 7z
"Новичок-2011. Summer" - Sky Pioneer
"Новичок-2011. Winter" - Sevensan
"Новичок-2010. Summer" - тенью бездомной
"Новичок-2010. Winter" - Сатир
"Новичок-2009. Summer" – Erdem

Requirements for Participants:

1. Players registered on heroesworld after 30.08.2016 are invited to participate in the tournament.
2. A tournament participant must have played several official games in a seasonal tournament or another official tournament on HeroesWorld, or at least 3 games with detailed reports in the fan games topic on heroesworld (games can be played and reports written even after registration).
3. Players who have taken prize places or participated in 2 or more tournaments from the Новичок series are not allowed to participate.
4. Players with a permanent HeroesWorld rating of 1700+ at the time of submitting the registration application are not accepted into the tournament.
5. Questions about accepting relatively experienced players or those with an earlier registration date on heroesworld will be considered by the organizers in coordination with the Tournament Committee.
6. The participant must be able to play 1 game every two weeks - the preferred time for playing is 19-24 Moscow time on weekdays and 12-24 Moscow time on weekends.
7. If during the tournament it is discovered that a player provided false information, they will be disqualified from the tournament, and the materials will be transferred to the Tournament Committee.

Submit applications in this topic:

There is a Detailed instruction with pictures FAQ17 on the forum on how to do this.
You need to do the following:
1. Check if an icq number is entered in your profile, add it there if it is missing.
If it is in your profile, a little green daisy - the ICQ symbol - is visible under your avatar. If it is not there, you need to follow the algorithm.
2. Leave an application in this topic. To do this, click the Sign up for tournament button, which is located at the beginning of this topic and at the top of each page.
3. 2-3 days before the draw, you must contact the host Sevan_80 (ICQ 581706700) and confirm participation. Players who have disappeared from the forum (no user activity for a week) will not be allowed into the draw.

Organizational questions:

1. Tournament host: Sevan_80 (ICQ 581706700), judge: Dima Surmay (ICQ 263293484) in the most extreme case, contact Dirty Player (ICQ 408722873).
2. The tournament is held according to the Rules for organizing, conducting and participating in HOMM3 online tournaments.
3. The regulations and rules of the tournament after the end of registration will not change during the tournament.
4. For each game played, participants must provide a detailed report and detailed confirmation in this topic. Only then will the game be counted. All tournament reports must be written using the automatic report writing system: Detailed instruction with pictures FAQ18.
- To create a report, click the New report button, which is located at the top of each page of the topic, and fill in all necessary fields according to the template. After that, you need to write your detailed comments on the game.
- To confirm the report, the second player needs to find the game report, click the Confirm report button, and also write a detailed report.
- It is considered good form to thank your opponent for the game.
5. All tournament games count towards the HoMM3 HeroesWorld player rating.
6. The tournament winner will receive the right to participate in the FB-12 tournament, provided that at the start of that tournament they have a rating of at least 1750.
7. In games not played within the set time limit, technical results will be assigned.
8. Saves and password files of all games must be kept until the end of the tournament and presented at the first request of the hosts and judges of the tournament or any member of the Tournament Committee. Forgetting or losing the game password may serve as grounds for assigning a technical defeat in the game.
9. If controversial issues arise, please discuss them off the forum. To resolve them, you need to contact the tournament host or judge via ICQ and provide daily saves, ICQ logs, and other necessary information.
The referee's decision is made primarily based on the tournament rules. If the situation is not regulated by the rules, the judges are guided by basic logic and game ethics.

Regulations

Tournament format.

The tournament is held according to the following scheme: Group Stage + Playoffs
Group stage – 8 groups. Players who take first, second, third, and fourth places in the groups advance from the group to the Playoff round.
The main criterion for advancing from the group is the number of points scored (3 points for a win, 1 for a draw, 0 for a loss). If several players have the same number of points, additional indicators come into effect (in order of priority):
a) Head-to-head result
b) Berger coefficient;
c) if priority cannot be given based on additional indicators a and b between players, a play-off game is held on the template Skirmish M 200% .
Map options settings:
players – 2; computers – 0; teams – 0; map size M; no water; monsters medium; difficulty 200%; time limit per turn – 4 minutes, with a chess timer - (08:00+04:00+01:00).
Choice of castles and bonuses random.
Additional restarts:
- Restart of generations with identical castles. Taken at the request of at least one of the opponents immediately after map generation.
- Restart at the request of a player whose stone or wood mine is guarded by monsters of 3rd level and above or archers of 2nd level.
Additional rules.
- After each subjective restart, players switch colors. (112 restarts in total)
- It is forbidden to move from one zone to another through bugged passages.
- It is forbidden to use the External Market.
- It is forbidden to use the spells Fly, Town Portal, Dimensional Door, as well as the artifact Angel Wings.
- Heroes Solmyr, Dimer, and Aislinn can use their signature spell against opponent heroes only in the following cases:
a) if the player has built a Mage Guild level 4 in one of the cities or captured a city with a built Mage Guild 4. If your castles do not have the corresponding level of the Mage Guild, then you must fully build Mage Guilds of all levels in any two castles that belong to you.
Visiting these castles with a hero is not mandatory. It does not matter whether the castles with the built Mage Guild levels will be controlled later.
b) if the corresponding spell is obtained by any of your heroes from a Pandora's Box (even if that hero does not have the sufficient Wisdom skill to learn this spell);
c) if a Spellbook of the required school is found.

Well, if a, b, and c do not help, then the universally respected random will decide everything.

Playoffs – held in a BO3 format (best of 3).

Deadlines.

Registration: December 2 – December 28, 2017 (until 00:00 Moscow time)
Draw and group formation: December 29, 2017
Tournament start: December 30, 2017
Group stage: 30.12.2017-30.03.2018
Playoff round: 31.03.2018 - 31.10.2018
2 WEEKS PER GAME

Tournament games must be played within the set time frame. For violating game deadlines, at the discretion of the organizers and tournament judges, a player may be penalized up to disqualification from the tournament.

Rules.

Rule changes from 20.05.2018:
/topic/at/1098996/
Games that were started before the introduction of the new rules are played according to the old ones.

1. Game version. The tournament is held on the game version SoD 3.2(4.0) + HD mod + HW_rulez.
When using the HeroesWorld rulez mod, the default option settings are: 01110.
That is, ban on obelisks – disabled, ban on fort on the hill, cartographer, key tent huts – enabled, permanently built level 2 in the city – disabled.
2. The tournament is held according to the rules of online games in Heroes 3.
3. Restarts total 2 days (111+111 or 112).
4. Template selection is done by cut. In a deadlock situation (cannot agree on who starts), flip a coin and start the cut.
5. City selection: Trade (two castles are generated), if identical castles are generated (mirror), at the request of one of the players, it must be regenerated.
6. Color selection: Trade
*On the Skirmish template, the starting city, hero, and bonus are random. In a deadlock situation (cannot agree on who starts with which color), flip a coin.

TEMPLATES FOR PLAYOFFS: Skirmish M-200, Diamond, 2sm4d(3), Jebus Cross, 6lm10a, Mini-Nostalgia, 8mm6a, 8xm12a and spider

Templates.

1. Group stage and play-off round games are played on templates: Skirmish M-200, Diamond, 2sm4d(3), Jebus Cross, 6lm10a, Mini-Nostalgia and 8mm6a
3. In the playoffs, the following are added: 8xm12a and spider
2. Information about templates and recommended settings can be found in the corresponding section.
5. Games are played with a chess timer. For a more comfortable game, the chess timer option settings are increased.
Skirmish - 10:00+05:00+01:15
2sm4d(3) - 21:00+08:00+01:30
Diamond - 24:00+08:30+01:30
Mini-Nostalgia - 24:00+08:30+01:30
6lm10a, 8mm6a, 8xm12a and spider - 24:00+09:00+01:30
Jebus Cross - 28:00+09:30+01:45

Please note, when loading saves, the "save every day" checkmark sometimes gets unchecked.

I wish all participants to gain as much useful gameplay experience as possible and enjoy the tournament competition!
The tournament winner will be awarded a "Tournament "Новичок" Winner" medal under their avatar:

Ася 581706700, Скайп Sevan_80

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AViLovePlay

1/25/2018 12:37 AM UTC

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I started with Valeska, but my plans were for Kirr. However, Valeska got the land first, so Kirr (with an experience logo) was support, while I simultaneously developed Tamika with an amulet and later found boots as well.
At the beginning, there were problems with ore due to a block, and it was inconvenient to build up troops.
I found 2 condors above the castle and another one further away in a different direction; later, I took them with Valeska using mass slow.
First, I captured a village in the corner treasure zone where 2 Dragon Utopias were spotted.
Second, I captured a Necropolis castle (brown), but on the same turn, the opponent arrived and took it from me.
I wasn't expecting him at all, so my main hero and army moved towards the condors.
On turn 145, the opponent came to me with his main hero; essentially, he was running blindly, which is why he lost.
He had 39 Dragon Utopias, 3 liches, and about 1k skeletons.
Initially, I attacked with scouts to scout and spend as much of his mana as possible.
In the end, my shooting skills with Valeska decided the battle because the opponent had no haste at all, while I had both mass slow and haste + tactics.
I attacked with an army consisting of 6 angels, 40 archers, 15 monks, 30 knights, ~300 skeletons, 40 earth elementals, and 30 harpies (earth elementals and harpies from pandoras).
Using tactics and mass slow, I charged the earth elementals into the Dragon Utopias, then followed up with the rest. And I simply shot down the skeletons.
The opponent bought himself out with 300 skeletons, and there were only 2 turns left until the final GG.
Valeska didn't have a log, but she visited the stables and had boots and gauntlets, so I quickly caught up to him near the Dragon Utopia that he wanted to take, but it turned out to be maxed out (and I scouted it using scouts purchased from the Necropolis castle and by scouting the area).
Thank you to the opponent for a good game and for wanting to play it through to the end!

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Faction Замок / Castle

Start Hero Валеска / Valeska

Main Hero Валеска / Valeska

Победа / Def

noobass-kontrobass

Faction Крепость / Fortress

Start Hero Брон / Bron

Main Hero Моандор / Moandor

Map Template: 6lm10a
Game Length: 211 days
Game Date: 1/25/2018
Reported: 1/25/2018 12:37 AM

AViLovePlay 1484 → 1500 +16 ↑

noobass-kontrobass 1510 → 1494 -16 ↓

Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 1/25/2018 12:48 AM

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noobass-kontrobass

1/25/2018 12:48 AM UTC

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AViLovePlay

I started as Valeska, but my plans were for Kirry. However, Valeska got Earth magic first, so Kirry (with exp log) acted as support; simultaneously, I didn't recruit Tamika with the little amulet, and later found boots too.
At the beginning, there were problems with ore due to a block, and it was inconvenient to deploy the army.
I found 2 cons above the Castle and another one further away in a different direction; later I took them with Valeska using mass slow.
First, I captured the village in the corner treasure zone, where 2 Dragon Utopia were spotted.
Second, I captured the AI's necropolis (brown), but on the same turn the opponent arrived and took it from me.
I didn't expect him at all, so my main and army turned toward the cons.
On 145, the opponent rushed his main to me; essentially he was running blind, which is why he lost.
He had 39 ducks, 3 liches, and about 1k skeletons.
First of all, I attacked with "spoons" (scouts) in order to recon and drain as much of his mana as possible.
In the end, Valeska's archery skills decided it, since the opponent had no haste at all, while I had mass slow, haste + tactics.
I attacked with an army of 6 angels, 40 crossbowmen, 15 monks, 30 Knight, ~300 skeletons, 40 earth elementals, and 30 harpies (elementals and harpies from pandoras).
Using tactics and mass slow, I slammed the ducks with elementals, and then with the rest. And I simply shot down the skeletons.
At 300 skeletons, the opponent bought his way out, and only 2 turns remained until the decisive ГГ.
My Valeska was without log, but had visited the stable and had boots and gloves, so I very quickly caught up to him at the Dragon Utopia he wanted to take, but it turned out to be maxi (which I reconned with "spoons" bought from the necropolis and by viewing the air).
Thanks to the opponent for a good game and the desire to play until the end!

+ thx for the game

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Dave_HUN

1/25/2018 1:15 AM UTC

I'd like to say a few words about the recent situation of Kamukag3e, if anyone cares to read.

The WCL's rating system hasn't been updated since january of 2013. It is rather inactive, even the few good players there stopped playing a long time ago. Besides, WCL's point formula for rating is terrible, as it rewards players who play a thousand games too much. It is why the top2 guys with 3200+ points have literally more losses than wins (they only play against each other). On hw rankings I didnt find a single player in top60 who has more losses than wins. In conclusion, WCL rankings are worthless and should not be taken seriously.

I'd say a couple hundred games outside of HW are excusable, mostly because rules and the level of average players is quite different. What better opportunity to level up for HW than newbie tourney?

https://www.twitch.tv/dave_hun

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Godofwrcrft

1/25/2018 2:05 AM UTC

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Yeah it's funny, I hope Nintendo writes to Dirty, because the tournament organizer is staying silent. I personally am ready to play against him, but if he is being allowed in, then why not allow Patriot? Skotina and others who were refused. The point here is that people had a year to master online Heroes, while they are playing against someone who mastered everything long ago and has played not just a couple hundred games, but 400+ (which is hard to achieve even in 2 years) with a win rate of 75 percent. The level on WCl is weak, but there are people from хв with an adequate rating, and he beat them as well during this period.

For clarity, here is the WCl rating, its top section.
Compare it; there are players from хв there too, their statistics are similar—either bad or average here and there. And then there's Kamikaze with clearly different indicators. I think if we follow the established line, he should be replaced; there are candidates. Time and game experience in Heroes have the most important meaning in this tournament; these boundaries cannot be blurred by linking online gaming experience to the хв registration date

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Sevan_80

1/25/2018 2:31 AM UTC

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Aren't you tired of spamming? I was silent because I thought that adults were playing. For those who are not aware:
1. Players with registration on heroesworld after 08/30/2016 are invited to participate in the tournament.

Ася 581706700, Скайп Sevan_80

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korovka1987

1/25/2018 5:19 AM UTC

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By all specified criteria, Kamukag3e was eligible to participate in the tournament.
If we are going to be sticklers for the rules, then we should kick out everyone who was accepted after registration closed, especially since some comrades registered on HeroesWorld without even 5 or even 3 played fun games. Nothing stopped experienced participants from registering under a different nickname and playing in this tournament.
Let's stop the discussions and just play.
Personally, I don't care who I play against — my goal is to learn.
And by playing against stronger opponents, you learn faster.

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PaTRioT

1/25/2018 8:00 AM UTC

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Thanks for the info. Just out of curiosity, Patriot is ready to test this monster in a faction-based ranked match on WCL :smile04:

Смотри только вперед, не оглядываясь. :smile14:

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Godofwrcrft

1/25/2018 8:38 AM UTC

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korovka1987

By all given parameters, Kamukag3e was eligible to participate in the tournament.
If we are to be complete literalists, then we should kick out everyone who was accepted after registration ended, especially since some comrades registered on HeroesWorld without even having played 5 or even 3 fan games. Nothing prevented experienced participants from registering under a different nickname and playing in this tournament.
Let's stop the discussion and just play.
Personally, I don't care who against, the goal is to learn.
And by playing against stronger opponents, you learn faster.

Well, go play in other tournaments and learn from the strong; here the main prize is getting into FB, and losing to someone who has been playing for a year is not offensive — the person mastered Heroes better than you in a year. But losing to someone who has been playing online for at least 3-4 years, knowing that this person signed up here because of the organizer's negligence, is a completely different matter.

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sir Davos Seaworth

1/25/2018 9:15 AM UTC

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Please, enough with the whining already... Understand, this is a Newbie Tournament specifically of the HeroesWorld resource, not a tournament for beginners playing Heroes Online. And it is not a tournament for "weak players".

"There's no need to execute me,sir Davos . I'll be dead before dawn."
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kamukag3e

1/25/2018 9:32 AM UTC

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PaTRioT

Thanks for the info. Just out of curiosity, PaTRioT is ready to play a fun match for a ranking with this monster on WCL :smile04:

I've messaged you a couple of times on ICQ, offering to play a season, but you don't respond.

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Godofwrcrft

Well, play in other tournaments with strong players and learn. Here, the main prize is getting into the FB, and losing to someone who has been playing for a year isn't a big deal; the person has mastered Heroes better than you in a year. But losing to someone who has been playing online for at least 3-4 years, with the understanding that this person signed up because of the organizer's indifference, is a completely different matter.

To get into the FB, it's not enough to just win against a newbie; you also need to have a rating of 1750+. I think few of the current tournament participants will be able to reach that rating.

Dirty_Player

Also, to motivate the participants, please pay attention to the following point: 6. The winner of the tournament will have the right to participate in the FB-12 tournament, provided that at the time the tournament begins, they have a rating of at least 1750.

艰难获胜 herolwy

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Godofwrcrft

1/25/2018 10:50 AM UTC

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kamukag3e

I messaged you a couple of times on ICQ, offering to play a season, but you didn't respond.

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To get into the Factions Bracket, you need to win against a newcomer and also have a rating of 1750+. I don't think many of the current tournament participants will be able to reach that rating.

You don't have much time left.

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PaTRioT

1/25/2018 10:55 AM UTC

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This misunderstanding needs to be fixed urgently. I'll get back to you as soon as I can:smile42:

Смотри только вперед, не оглядываясь. :smile14:

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dozzerka

1/25/2018 12:17 PM UTC

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Let's end this pointless discussion about how cool kamikaze strategies are and just focus on creating better maps. If you want an easy win, create your own tournament with blackjack and tempo-based templates.

icq: 725388745

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Godofwrcrft

1/25/2018 12:34 PM UTC

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I don't want an easy victory; I just think that this is all wrong, and if it were a different organizer who had played as a beginner, for example, this would never have happened. If I have to, I'll play, but it's hard to find understanding because either everyone is too lazy to express their opinion or they don't care, or they can't show anything in the game and don't care who they play against or who they lose to.

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dozzerka

1/25/2018 12:42 PM UTC

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Godofwrcrft

I don't want an easy victory; I just think that everything is wrong, and if it were a different organization, one that actually played with beginners, for example, this would never have happened. If necessary, I will play; it's a shame that it's difficult to find understanding, either everyone is too lazy to express their opinion, or they don't care, or they can't show anything in the game, and they don't care who they play with or who they lose to.

I understand you like no one else. When I was doing karate, I was always pitted against people who were taller and heavier than me. I complained too.

Later, I realized that you need to have a fighting spirit, and it doesn't matter who the opponent is. The main thing is to strive for something, and sometimes that is more important than many victories. (c) dozzerka

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