God or evolution? — Philosophy

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#54 11/12/2011 10:31 PM UTC

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Evolution? Why is this an isolated case? Why hasn't any of the known primates evolved into some kind of australopithecus?

Because humans didn't evolve from monkeys; humans and monkeys share a common ancestor, from which ancestral forms of humans and monkeys later evolved. And then they evolved along their own lines. In general, the evolution of a single organism takes thousands or millions of years. It's not like I want it to change, and here's a new species. Although this is quite possible with the help of genetics, cell biology, and genetic engineering.

И потом Сатана сказал: "пусть они будут любить тех, с кем быть не смогут, и не будут любить тех, с кем будут всю жизнь. Несите мне попкорн!":smile51: :smile51: :smile51: :smile51:

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#55 11/13/2011 3:47 PM UTC

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I also really enjoy reading about how humans will burn in hell for gluttony, lust, and other sins (meaning we will all be there), while God is merciful, hallelujah!

If you realize your wrongdoing, the incorrectness of your actions, and your desire to change, you can repent. Those who consciously do evil burn in hell.

Besides, when talking about the church and its canons...
It was all invented by people. God gave two commandments, and everything else was invented by people. Even the Bible cannot be the absolute truth, because it was written by people. Yes, by the apostles, disciples of Christ, but still by people. And as we know, people are prone to making mistakes.
There are enough monotheistic religions in the world. And within Christianity itself, there are so many branches.
But God was one. It's foolish to think that only your faith, or a variation of that faith, is the original and correct one.

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If it were a female being, there would be no complaints.

Lol. XD
By the way, who said that God is male?
Specifically God, not Jesus.
Besides, if you want a sacred female being, go to Catholicism and worship the Mother of God)

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#56 11/13/2011 5:00 PM UTC

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Because women have always been considered vessels of lust and depravity, while God created man in his own image and woman only from his rib.

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#57 11/13/2011 5:24 PM UTC

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If you realize your wrongdoing, the incorrectness of your actions, and your desire to change, you can repent. Those who knowingly committed evil burn in hell.

But if, for example, a person killed others, etc. But at some point, they acknowledged their wrongdoing. Should they be forgiven? Impunity is a terrible thing.

Что такое осень - это небо
Плачущее небо под ногами

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#58 11/13/2011 5:56 PM UTC

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All of this is, of course, off-topic, but since the moderators are not responding, I will answer the questions.

And if, for example, a person killed his own kind, etc. But after some time, he admitted his wrongdoing. Should he be forgiven? Impunity is a terrible thing.

In this case, everything depends on the depth of repentance. If the situation is like that of Ivan the Terrible (we repent – we sin, we repent – we sin), then it will be difficult for the person to get to heaven.

Besides, if you want a very holy female figure, go to Catholicism and worship the Mother of God.

Why is there such a strong belief that the Mother of God is more revered in Catholicism than in Orthodoxy? After all, you can only revere more, perhaps, God himself: both in Russia and in Greece, the Mother of God is very loved, and temples are dedicated to her no less often, or even more often, than to Jesus.

By the way, who said that God is male?

Naturally. God is an immaterial being, so he does not have a gender.

Because women have always been considered vessels of lust and depravity, and God created man in his own image and woman only from his rib.

I think that by "rib" it was meant that a woman was created with the same genes, roughly speaking. That is, she was essentially the same being, the differences are minimal.

Well, this is my opinion, I usually don't prove anything to anyone, it's pointless. It's up to a person to believe or not. I personally just can't believe in it, for me it's like a fairy tale, or a legend.

This is a good position. But if you explain the reason for your faith/disbelief, then it is much better to clearly understand the position of the interlocutor, that's what I'm getting at.

I also really like reading about how people will burn in hell for gluttony, lust, and something else (that is, in fact, we will all be there), and yet God is merciful, hallelujah!

Regarding the fire, it is just a metaphor, and it is sad that people sometimes take everything literally. In general, hell is a place where there is no God, there is no his grace. And people, in my opinion, end up there not because they are being punished, but because their soul, due to sins, loses connection with God and even more than that – loses the desire for God. Besides, we should not forget that each of us has a conscience, and if here it can be dulled by passions, then in the next world it should flare up with full force, which will cause much more suffering than a deep fryer.

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#59 11/13/2011 6:06 PM UTC

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If we find ourselves in a situation similar to that of Ivan the Terrible (we confess – we sin, we confess – we sin)

This situation is common among most believers.

Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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#60 11/13/2011 7:05 PM UTC

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Ment is right. It depends on perception; one shouldn't take everything literally.

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#61 11/13/2011 7:41 PM UTC

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___*My Death*___
It has been a week since I've been gone
It has been a week since I died
Two angels came to me
And they tormented me
They asked me questions
They knew how I had lived my life
Two angels questioned me
Who I had prayed to in my life
My answers were simple
I told them that, like them,
I was only faithful to the Lord
And every day I asked Him
To forgive my sins
That I had committed in my life
Perhaps the Lord has forgiven me
I want Him to let me into the Heavenly Haven
To protect me from the fires of Hell
Because I loved the Lord as much as I could
Even if I didn't always pray to Him
I skipped prayers sometimes
And I had no reason
Not to fulfill the duty for everyone.

And then the two angels said:
Your fate is unknown to us
All that remains is to wait for the day
When He will decide
Who will get the burning bed
Who will get the shackles and torments
Who will get sweetness and pleasures
And then everyone will know
What they had done and not always believed
They prayed to idols
Or they were simply angry every time
When someone called them to faith
The fool just covered his ears
And every hypocrite will then
Live in the circle of Hell's fire.

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The day will come when all of you
Will understand everything, and life, alas,
Will already be over
It will definitely not be possible
To try to change something
And you will not be able to go back
For you, all of life is a road to Hell
Why did you act like that then?
You trampled good and light in the mud
You probably deserved everything
That you are destined to receive
I hope I won't be among you
Although I am a sinner, perhaps even worse than you
But I always hope
Perhaps they will forgive me there
Forgive all my sins
Forgive my mistakes, but alas
I cannot say for sure
I just hope that they will forgive me.

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#62 11/21/2011 9:23 AM UTC

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I read the thread and wanted to add that the Bible says that in the Kingdom of Heaven, not everyone will be equal in their greatness, not everyone will be the same; there will be greater and lesser ones. And even if a person who has sinned ends up there, he will be one of the lesser ones. That is, as I understand it, even if someone committed some transgressions and was still forgiven and ended up there, he will be much less (how should I say it, less respected and revered there) than people who led a more righteous life than him. But I'm not 100% sure that it even exists...

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#63 11/21/2011 5:22 PM UTC

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What if a person killed others, etc., but then, after some time, admitted their wrongdoing? Should they be forgiven? Impunity is a terrible thing.

Admitting wrongdoing is not enough. One must repent, pray for forgiveness every day, and also demonstrate it through actions.

And that's because their soul, due to sins, loses its connection with God and even more than that – loses its desire for God.

It reminded me of the situation with the Scarlet Monastery from World of Warcraft.
Let's say there are some terrorists, like Al-Qaeda, but Christian.
And they blow up people. For God. That is, they commit a sin, but they believe in God and don't lose their connection with him. According to your version, will they not go to hell?

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#64 11/21/2011 6:06 PM UTC

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If the god allows killing, then it’s okay, after all, he is a god!

Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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#65 11/21/2011 7:51 PM UTC

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Let's say there are some terrorists, like Al-Qaeda, but Christian.
And they blow up people. In the name of God. That is, they commit sin, but supposedly still believe in God and maintain a connection with Him. According to your version, will they not go to hell?

In my version, they are simply fanatical zealots, and they do nothing for God. They may say so (or in reality, they just want to get more money, like the crusaders), or even think so, but in reality, they act for other purposes: money, power, or simply to satisfy their hunting instinct at the expense of other people's lives. By the way, there is a version (and in my opinion, a very good one) that the original sin lies in the substitution of the concepts of good and evil. That is, allowing oneself to do evil for some noble purposes, evil for the sake of good. Here, the situation is approximately the same: they justify evil by claiming to have a higher purpose. But even if they really had a high purpose, it never justifies the means; the means can spoil the goal and turn it from a good one into a dirty and low one. By the way, this is what happened with the communists.

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#66 2/10/2012 12:43 PM UTC

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I support the theory of evolution because, out of all the proposed theories, it is the most logical. Yes, there are still a huge number of questions and inconsistencies in it, but this only means that some link in the long chain is missing from human understanding and cannot complete the full picture. The question was raised here about the fact that there is no transitional form between humans and monkeys. The counter-question arises: "What did you expect?" As mentioned above, various remains of "ancient" humans are found: Homo habilis, Homo erectus, etc. But again, it is necessary to take into account that modern Homo sapiens is a biosocial being, the level of development of which largely depends on the environment in which it grew up. If you take any non-herd animal, it is easy to say that it is a complete being, a separate biological species, individuals of which can survive independently and are practically completely similar to each other (individuality has not been canceled). But if you take a person in the same relation, then you can see a very big difference here. A person who grew up outside of society will not be a complete person. He will descend to the previous stage of development of his species, not having the baggage of knowledge that has accumulated over millennia by members of his kind.

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#67 2/11/2012 8:35 AM UTC

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You are overestimating the importance of accumulated knowledge. Humans are naturally curious and creative; perhaps outside of society, they wouldn't walk on two legs or use a mobile phone, but they would still remain human. And if they aren't eaten, they will still have time in their lives to make some discoveries, modest by our standards, but truly significant in their circumstances.

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