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to Radik:
I encountered something similar in an earlier stage. :)
Added 3 minutes later
IronAxe;96650
:)
The organizers mentioned somewhere in the posts that it was supposedly a bug (if you just sit and immediately get out of the boat). But let's say you needed to swim across a narrow stream and then run further; in that case, the bug is inevitably used, and it's not prohibited. Therefore, it was stated that unintentional use of this bug may be allowed if there is a reasonable explanation for why it was necessary.
What you're talking about, dear Iron, doesn't work in version 3.2 of The Shadow of Death, and therefore it can't be used unintentionally.
It would be much simpler to just ban "using navigation bonuses on land" and that's it, and then categorize anything as falling under that, wouldn't you agree...? :D
Even simpler would be to just allow them :) , IMHO.
Well, then I won't explain it... Let it be my know-how... Because I know how to generate a ton of these movement points... :)
Alright, go ahead then :) After your first victory in a tournament, you'll have to reveal it, and everyone will know and use it, and everyone will be on equal footing, and there won't be any need for checks or complications.
I wonder how many solutions there will be to this problem...? :) I'll tell you a secret: when I tried to complete this map, I couldn't get the blade... :o
:eek: :eek: :eek: UNBELIEVABLE!!! :smile07: And why (excuse me) are you pushing such a quest if you can't even complete it yourself?!!! IMHO!
Added after 5 minutes Ta Kotoraya...;96397
Well... I'm sitting here crying bitterly... :( I missed the ships... and as for the creatures, I know myself — I didn't sell them all — but by the time I realized it, it was too late — the save had been sent. In short — a quiet horror... And of course, I didn't figure out the blade either... and generally — I'll be at the bottom of the list again :( I'm starting to feel an inferiority complex about this ;)
Anyway — I'll learn my lessons — after all, that's mainly what the tournament is for!
:eek: :eek: :eek: That's awesome!!! :smile07: And why are you giving such a task if you can't complete it yourself?!!! IMHO!
Kyle is the tournament organizer (administrator), he is not obliged to participate in the game; he kindly agreed to help with technical issues - preparing tables, accepting and deciphering final save files, general management of the tournament topic... I prepare the tasks, and I KNOW how to complete them...
So, apologize, buddy... :D Otherwise, you're making a bad impression...
What you're talking about, dear Iron, doesn't work in the 3.2 version of Breath of Death, and therefore it can't be used.
----------------- Using navigation bonuses implies getting into a boat and getting out of it to increase the MP reserve (in my opinion, this is no longer available in SoD 3.2). If a player uses a boat to move between islands (or sections of the same island that are closer by water than by land), this is not considered exploiting a bug. In any case, if there is any (justified) reason to use a boat, then it is not prohibited. ----------------- Kamikaze, you should have made this speech when the explanation about movement point bonuses was given. If it doesn't work in 3.2, then in this case it would have made sense to play on an unpatched version, since the use of bonuses was allowed if there was a justified reason (some people, as we can see, had one). On the other hand, the organizers have the right to set their own rules for their tournament, even if they don't quite fit the standards. And it is possible that this was only allowed by them for this tournament, and subsequently they may prohibit it.
----------------- If there is any (justified) reason to use a boat, then it is not prohibited. ----------------- Kamikaze, you should have made this speech when the explanation about the movement point bonuses was given. If it doesn't work in 3.2, then in this case, it would have made sense to play on the unpatched version, as the use of bonuses was allowed if there was a justified reason (some people, as we can see, had one).
It seems we keep having constant inconsistencies with the rules. Maybe it's time to stop experimenting. Use the experience of other resources if you can't come up with anything yourselves. So, I "rejected" the idea of using naval unit translations for land units, but Radik didn't. I won by sheer luck. Although I was well aware of the aforementioned option. The funniest thing is that you can't say anything to Radik – he's right. He interpreted the rules in his own way, and I interpreted them in mine. Let's start taking the tournaments more seriously. Honestly, I'm tired of these arguments. I just want to play, to play by fair rules. This isn't the first tournament, but we're not learning from past mistakes.
Well, we keep having this constant mess with the rules. Maybe it's time to stop experimenting. Use the experience of other resources if you can't figure it out yourselves. It turns out I "rejected" the idea of using naval movement rules for land units, but Radik didn't. I won by sheer luck. Although I knew about the aforementioned option firsthand. The funniest thing is that you can't say anything to Radik – he's right. He interpreted the rules in his own way, and I interpreted them in my own way. Let's start taking the Tournaments more seriously. Honestly, I'm tired of these arguments. I just want to play, to play with normal rules. This isn't the first Tournament, but we don't learn from past mistakes.
Listen, Dmitry, the same chaos exists on other resources, with one difference: there, it's simply FORBIDDEN to discuss anything or express your opinion if it doesn't match the organizers' opinion; they might even ban you for it, but the fact that people play in the Tournaments without understanding the rules is a fact. As for this case with the Hat, my opinion is this: if we prohibit it, then we need to cancel the Hat, that is, prohibit the use of this artifact (by the way, the hat looks like the one in your avatar :). In other words, if you get into a boat wearing a hat, then you need to prohibit getting out of the boat or running away!!! The easiest option is to allow these bonuses with the hat and not bother with checks on this account. But that's exactly what they won't do because they look at other stupid resources where this is called a bug (and not a feature), and the use of this trick is prohibited there, and along with this, discussion of bugs is also prohibited. And it turns out like this: some genius declares something a bug, and it's prohibited. And since it's already a bug by their definition, further discussion of the prohibition is prohibited :) This is not the case here! Therefore, this creates the feeling of constant nonsense :) Although the real nonsense is not here :)
Added after 58 seconds Kamikaze;96722
Nope, it wouldn't work :D
I didn't understand what wouldn't work. Your performance? And is it supposed to work with me? :)
If it doesn't work on version 3.2, then in this case, it would have made sense to play on an unpatched version.
That wouldn't have worked. Because if it's not patched in the earlier versions, then the participants aren't on equal footing, which is why it wouldn't have worked. So, it's a bug – well, at least they patched it. I have version 3.2, and I don't have versions 3.0 and 3.1, therefore, I'm at a disadvantage.
That wouldn't work. Because if it's not patched in the early versions, then the participants aren't on equal footing, which is why it wouldn't work.
Therefore, it's a bug - but at least they patched it.
I have 3.2 and don't have 3.0 and 3.1, therefore. Which means I'm at a disadvantage.
----------------- Using navigation bonuses implies getting into a boat and getting out of it to increase the MP reserve (in my opinion, this is no longer the case in SoD 3.2). If a player uses a boat to move between islands (or sections of the same island that are closer by water than by land), this is not considered exploiting a bug.
In any case, if there is any (justifiable) reason to use a boat, it is not prohibited. ----------------- I'll explain it slowly. What is highlighted with dashes was written by the organizers, at the beginning of Blitz N4. From their explanation, it follows that what I wrote was not that it wouldn't work, but that it WOULD work. And Radik proved it by using it, and he is right. No one, including you, objected when this clarification was given, and therefore, now, after the tournament, you're suddenly concerned - for the future? And regarding patching - I'm not sure that 3.2 is better than 3.0. As they say, if it works, don't touch it - it might get worse :) I don't have 3.2, but playing on 3.0 is allowed. The situation is: in the walkthrough, you need to cross a small stream by boat and continue on land, and we both have the Seafarer's Hat. You can do this with good reason, but what should I do? Not cross the stream? But then I'll have a bonus on the other side, on land, and you won't, right? So what? Should I play on 3.2? And I'll advise you to play on 3.0. :) So, we play according to the organizers' rules. Just don't argue with me, argue with them. Let them detail the point: - it is forbidden to use navigation bonuses on land as VDV advised them to do. They detailed it. Therefore, at the moment, it is allowed to get out of the boat onto land with the Seafarer's Hat, both in version 3.0 and in version 3.2.
Yeah... we were playing on version 3.2, and there's no such bug there, so I didn't really think about it, and I don't plan to... ;) As for different versions, it's still better to either play on the same version or prevent everyone from using this bug, because otherwise everyone will be in different conditions, which will lead to different results... IMHO.
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes: Лидер клана "Из многих единое" Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
Let me explain slowly. The parts marked with dashes were written by the organizers at the beginning of Blitz N4. Their explanation indicates that what I wrote wasn't something that wouldn't work, but rather something that *did* work. And Radik proved this by using it, and he's right. No one, including you, raised any objections when this explanation was given, so why are you bringing it up now, after the tournament? As for patching, I'm not sure that 3.2 is better than 3.0. You know what they say: if it works, don't touch it – it might get worse. I don't have 3.2, but I'm allowed to play on 3.0. The situation is this: in the walkthrough, you need to cross a small stream by boat and continue on land, and we both have a hat. You can do this without any problems, but what should I do? Am I not supposed to cross the stream? But then I'll get a bonus on the other side, on land, and you won't, right? So what? Should I play on 3.2? And I'll advise you to play on 3.0. So, we play according to the organizers' rules. Just don't argue with me, argue with them. Let them explain the following point in detail: - it is forbidden to use navigation bonuses on land
Iron, what are you talking about? It's not my fault that your game version has bugs. Why should you only use them because you have an older version? The developers fixed this. That means it's a bug. What does it have to do with expediency? And Radik has nothing to do with it; we're looking at the situation.
Added 3 minutes ago IronAxe;96747
Currently, with the seafarer's hat, it is allowed to disembark on land in both version 3.0 and version 3.2.
No, my friend, that won't work. You're completely wrong here!
Well, yes... we were playing on version 3.2, and there's no such bug there, so I, for example, didn't even think about it and don't plan to... ;) And regarding different versions, you either need to play on the same version, or everyone should be prohibited from using this bug, because otherwise everyone will be in different conditions => they will show different results... IMHO.
Currently, playing on both versions is ALLOWED. We've already discussed switching to one version, and the organizers ALLOWED playing on different versions. Now, if you manage to ensure that this bug-feature cannot be used by those with version 3.0, then at the same time, ensure that on version 3.2, it is NOT POSSIBLE to get out of the boat while wearing the captain's hat on the same turn you boarded the boat. Otherwise, players on version 3.0 will no longer be on equal footing with you :) Because then, to avoid using this bug-feature, it would be impossible to get out of the boat on version 3.0 on the same turn you boarded while wearing the hat. But on version 3.2, it would be possible? Where are the equal conditions?
Added 11 minutes ago Kamikaze;96754
Iron, what are you talking about? It's not my fault that you have a version of the game with bugs.
I consider these to be features, not bugs, and I don't care what version of the game you have.Kamikaze;96754
Why should I only use them just because you have an older version?
Because it's ALLOWED to play on it. The organizer gave an explanation about the expediency, and you were silent then, and now you're picking on me :) You should have complained earlier. We're talking about Radic's result - whether it's fair or not. I think it's all fair. And if I had figured it out, I would have used it too, BECAUSE IT WAS ALLOWED! Do you understand that or not?Kamikaze;96754
The developers fixed it. That means it's a bug. What does expediency have to do with it? And Radic has nothing to do with it; we're looking at the situation.
The developers think they fixed it, but in reality, they introduced a new bug :) And I'm looking at the situation using Radic as an example. He did everything right. Well done. And everyone is on equal footing. Because the organizers don't prohibit playing on 3.0. Those with 3.2 can also play on that version :) It's not prohibited.Kamikaze;96754
No, my friend, it won't work that way. You're completely wrong here!
I don't care if it works or not; go argue with the organizers, not with me :) For now, things are going exactly as I described. P.S. Half of the participants are playing on 3.0, and half on 3.2. And no one wants or can switch to another version. What's the solution? You often give advice about better map design, so here's a suggestion: remove the hat from the map, and everyone will be on equal footing regarding this bug-feature.
Kamikaze
