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Hello everyone! And back into battle! 1. Atheism is NOT a BELIEF. Where there is no light, there is darkness. But darkness is not a wave of particles; it is simply the absence of light. The same applies here. There is a belief in religion. The absence of belief is atheism. 2. There are NO absolute atheists. Chance, Chaos, Luck, Good, Evil, Justice, Love, and other gods created by consciousness. Every atheist believes in something, even if they don't call it gods, but the very fact of the existence of such images is present. 3. Alexey Pank likes the USSR; my acquaintance (a party member, who held a good position) also liked it. And he regrets the collapse of the Union. But to talk about communism as a good religion is, at the very least, to be unaware of the very facts that Mr. Pank demands of us. I don't have data on the USSR, but I remember about America. In general, in 1961-3, the Bible and prayer were removed from education in America. In the first ten years, the crime rate increased by 1000%. The number of suicides, crimes among young people and teenagers, and so on, increased by 500%. The percentages grew every year. I don't remember the exact statistics, but now in America: 1) Every 15 seconds - a burglary or robbery 2) Every 1 minute - a rape 3) Every 5 minutes - a murder. This is what atheism leads to. And there are also communist organizations, supported by the government, that use financial resources to spread communism. From the point of view of communism, the life of one person is nothing. Born-died, born-died. People are insects, and there is only one good goal - paradise on Earth. But you won't see it. Try to work for the good of the future. But it never came. In reality, it was just bread for the party members, and opium for the people. What are bananas, oranges, good sausage, things, a computer? - these are the leftovers of the bourgeoisie, and they are not needed in the USSR. You are a herd, here is a piece of bread, a bottle of ink, a pension, what else do you need? Work for the good of the decaying socialist society. And as for science, excuse me. Japan developed science without such a policy; all that is needed is state support. Ganymede, I don't understand what you want to prove in this thread? The question in the thread is specific. Are you just trying to say that everyone should believe in what they want? Right? A picture hangs in the second room. And in the first, there are tools for drawing, a sketch, frames. In the first, other pictures hang. In addition, the second person saw the picture. 1) He says: - Look at the facts, there are already pictures here, why shouldn't there be one in the other room? - There is probably an artist living here; you can see the sketch, but there is no picture. Maybe it hangs in the second room? - I saw it, believe me, it's there, and it's wonderful! :) Ganymede: 1) I haven't seen it, so I can believe you or not. 2) The sketch and everything else don't prove anything. You CANNOT prove it to me. Answer: - I can't, and I don't even want to. Because you DON'T WANT to think about it; your worldview is already formed, you filter out all the words that don't go along with it, you don't want to be convinced. Even if I bring you a photograph of it, you will say that it still doesn't prove anything. Your worldview says that atoms collide with each other, there is chaos everywhere - and as a result, there is a picture. Exactly. Through chance, a reasonable fruit can appear. After all, a picture is a product of a being with reason, isn't it? No? Chance? Chaos? I understand. First, a leaf appeared by chance, then outlines, then a picture and a frame. Everything became more and more complex... And also, gentlemen. The Egyptians carved images of pharaohs, or rather, their faces, into the rocks. It was hard work and a colossal undertaking. So, two people, a believer and an atheist, are standing and looking at such rocks. Believer: People tried hard to create something like this! It clearly has a reasonable creator. Atheist: - No, my friend, you are mistaken. Millions of years of work by wind and water, and as a result, there is such a miracle
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In general, I'm personally quite tired of all this.

I'll answer right away and to everyone. What you're trying to prove to me, I proved myself 15 years ago. I professionally studied all theological schools and put them into practice (up to contemplation), including Catholic mystical schools. This conversation is pointless because we are in different weight classes. Go through the path that I went through, first, and then we can talk, if you still have faith, which is unlikely.
And for now – believe as long as you can, and may God grant that you believe for as long as possible.
Настоящие герои - не те, пред кем мы преклоняемся, а те, кого мы оплевываем...[/COLOR]
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In general, I'm personally quite tired of all this.

I'll answer once and for all. What you're trying to prove to me, I proved myself 15 years ago. I professionally studied all theological schools and put them into practice (up to contemplation), including Catholic mystical schools. This conversation is pointless because we are in different weight classes. Go through the path that I went through, first, and then we can talk, if you still have faith, which is unlikely.
And for now, believe as long as you can, and may God grant that you believe for as long as possible.
Ganymed, I'm sorry, but you tried to respond to everyone at once, but you didn't answer anyone. You just waved it off, saying, "We are in different weight classes." Did someone tell you that, or did you figure it out yourself? With your last post, you finally convinced everyone that Berserk and Apple are right. You ran out of arguments, and now you're just being stubborn, just to stand your ground. You remind me of someone, but that's not the point right now.
In short, by putting yourself above others, you simply gave up. I'm done, ladies and gentlemen.
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I have plenty of arguments, Nowizard, but I realized that it's all just a waste of time. They accuse me of being repetitive, while not saying anything constructive, IN MY OPINION, because all these arguments are just childish babble to me. And yours too, I'm sorry. And rehashing the same things over and over again is pointless; I've checked that repeatedly. Everyone still sticks to their own opinion (here's another argument for Apple with its vague differences in opinion and belief).
I've already answered you personally; if you didn't understand, study theology, but not just theoretically, but practically, and then we can talk. I wouldn't start lecturing here because I don't like doing that, but when they methodically shove the Bible and Christianity in my face instead of arguments, saying, "study, dear," I say - I've studied more than you, and I know more because I've gone through a path that you still have to go through. A smart person listens and understands, while a foolish person tries to teach someone who, by definition, cannot teach them anything due to various reasons (that's just how it is, Nowizard, that's just how it is).
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Dear Ganymed, let me remind you that we are on a forum where all our posts are recorded, and anyone can trace the chain of arguments. Your persistence does not do you credit. We could have ended it there, but one circumstance arose, and I must admit, it intrigued me to no end. Here it is:
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I have professionally studied all theological schools and put them into practice.
And here is another quote from your latest post:
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...study theology with me, and not theoretically, but practically.
Forgive me, but you are simply provoking interest in your person. Not just a professional study of theology, but also practice! What kind of theologian also practices? A religious scholar? But this one, it seems, does not practice, unless it is for himself, as an amateur. A hermit monk? A priest? I am simply at a loss to guess who could have written such a thing about himself! I already asked in my last post for you to share your experience of communicating with God, but you ignored my request. And in vain. Because, based on your statements, this is your only, but perhaps powerful "trump card," since theory is clearly your weak "link." Despite all my irony, I repeat once again, and I think everyone will agree with me, that your story, even if short, but based on practice, would be very interesting to everyone, especially in view of:
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I have plenty of arguments, Nowizard, but I realized that it's all just hot air. People accuse me of being repetitive, while not offering anything constructive, IN MY OPINION, because all these arguments are just childish babble to me. And yours too, I'm sorry. It's pointless to keep going around in circles, I've checked that repeatedly. Everyone still sticks to their own opinion (here's another argument for Apple with its vague differences in opinion and belief).
I've already answered you personally; if you didn't understand, study theology, not just theoretically, but practically, and then we can talk. I wouldn't start lecturing here because I don't like it, but when, instead of arguments, you keep shoving the Bible and Christianity in my face, saying, "Go study, my friend," I say - I've studied more than you, and I know more because I've gone through a path that you still have to go through. A smart person listens and understands, while a fool tries to teach someone who, by definition, cannot be taught anything due to various reasons (that's just how it is, Nowizard, that's just how it is).
This post is no different from your previous one. You're just making a lot of noise, claiming you're so smart (sorry, of course), and everyone who argues with you is a bunch of stupid sheep because they have a different opinion and don't want to admit that my point of view is the only correct one. And I agree with Apple; I'm really interested in reading about the theology you've seen, and for me, it would be a valuable experience. But either because of your overly high opinion of yourself or because of the lack of your so-called experience, you ignore the requests and just keep playing your own tune: "I'm smart and experienced, you're just dumb kids." Don't try to act like a wise... wise... wise man (sorry, I'm stuttering:)).
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Unfortunately, there's nothing I can say about experience; it can only be lived and felt. Everything I write is based on my own experience. If the previous two posts were the only ones I had made in this discussion, then your arguments would be valid, but I have over a hundred posts in this thread! And you haven't agreed with any of them (or almost any of them). That's the answer – no matter how much you feed a sheep, it will still look at you like a wolf. And that's natural, because everyone here has their own opinion and is free to agree or disagree. In principle, I'm sharing my experience not specifically with you, but with anyone who reads it and might find some answer for themselves. And that's the reason and the motivation behind why I'm "talking into the void" here. As for you and others like you, you've already found your "truth" for the time being, until that "truth" turns out to be "false" (but let's hope that doesn't happen!). And until that happens (if it does), you won't change your opinion even if I present you with a whole chain of logical arguments, because faith is "based on absurdity, not logic." And I'm not so naive as to believe that theory is my strong point, dear Apple, or anyone else's for that matter. Theory is just a theory – nothing more. I can engage in scholasticism, but I don't think it's useful for anyone. That's what I mean by "talking into the void." I mentioned experience to conclude this discussion, which has already become pointless. At least, the people who are "entrenched" here at the moment, in my opinion, have exhausted themselves in this discussion. Everything that could be said about the topic and around it has been said and "thoroughly discussed," in my opinion. Therefore, I understand Apple's desire to learn something more specific than just definitions (sorry for the tautology). But the point is that you can't tell someone about experience – it's MY experience, and you will have a different experience, but it will definitely be there, because it has to be – that's the law of existence. Perhaps in the future, this conversation could be much more productive, perhaps... but the point isn't in this conversation as such, but in the "path of faith." Faith is a path. You can't say that you believe without walking that path. Perhaps, after walking that path, you will believe, which means you will be better than me, because I, after walking that path, stopped believing. P.S. Yes, indeed, I was one of the "characters" you mentioned, dear Apple
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I have suggested several times to end the dispute so that neither side feels offended or slighted. Let everyone go their own way...
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Unfortunately, there's nothing I can say about experience; it can only be gained and felt. Everything I write is based on my own experience. If the previous two posts were the only ones I had made in this discussion, then your arguments would be valid, but I've already made over a hundred posts in this thread! And you haven't agreed with any of them (or almost any of them). That's the answer – no matter how much you feed a sheep, it will still look at you like a wolf. And that's natural because everyone has their own opinion and is free to agree or disagree. In principle, I'm sharing my experience not specifically with you, but with anyone who reads it and might find some answer for themselves. And that's the reason and the motivation behind why I'm "talking into the void" here. As for you and others like you, you've already found your "truth" for the time being, until that "truth" turns out to be "false" (let's hope it doesn't!). And until that happens (if it happens), you won't change your opinion even if I present you with a whole chain of logical arguments, because faith is "based on absurdity, not logic." And I'm not so naive as to believe that theory is my strong point, dear Apple, just as it isn't for anyone else. Theory is just a theory – nothing more. I can engage in scholasticism, but I don't think it's useful for anyone. That's what I mean by "talking into the void." I mentioned experience to conclude this discussion, which has already become pointless. At least, the people who are "entrenched" here at the moment, in my opinion, have exhausted themselves in this discussion. Everything that could be said about the topic and around it has been said and "thoroughly discussed," in my opinion. Therefore, I understand Apple's desire to learn something more specific than just definitions (sorry for the tautology). But the point is that you can't tell someone about experience – it's MY experience, and you will have a different experience, but it will definitely be different because it has to be – that's the law of existence. Perhaps in the future, this conversation could be much more productive, perhaps... but the point isn't in this conversation as such, but in the "path of faith." Faith is a path. You can't say that you believe without walking that path. Perhaps, after walking that path, you will believe, which means you will be better than me, because I, after walking that path, stopped believing.

P.S. Yes, indeed, I was one of the "characters" you mentioned, dear Apple.
Now I understand you. Although, thinking you're smarter than others... well, that's something. :rolleyes: But overall, I understand you; we just have very different views on the world. And in my opinion, it's not just about experience. It would take too long for me to explain worldviews and how they develop, and since there are smart people here, everything will be clear anyway.

Sorry for the rambling
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It recently dawned on me (yes, I'm slow, I know) that our argument is turning from a collaborative search for a solution (the positive side of the argument) into a contest of wit – who can better prove their point. I would be happy if someone told me that I am wrong. As proof, I will accept words stating that someone changed their opinion on the issue of God after reading this thread...
С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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When has it ever happened that someone changed their opinion in an argument? But I, nevertheless, respect all the opinions presented. I have a good friend who is a devout Orthodox Christian. And I have complete mutual understanding with him, because we simply don't try to change each other.
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A debate is a "test" of how strong an opinion is. In a debate with others, we can identify problems and contradictions related to our opinion that we wouldn't have noticed ourselves, and then refine and supplement our position.
С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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When has it ever happened that someone changed their opinion in an argument? But I still respect all the opinions presented. I have a good friend who is a devout Orthodox Christian. And I have complete mutual understanding with him, because we simply don't try to change each other.
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An argument is a "test" of an opinion's strength. In an argument with others, we can notice problems and contradictions related to our opinion that we didn't see ourselves, and correct and supplement our position.
What can I say – you are both right. I won't close the topic yet; let people express themselves. The main thing is not to turn the argument into a debate (
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I think everyone decides for themselves whether or not there is a god.
For some, they simply need hope, for others, they don't...
Life is a mysterious thing... and believing in something is, first and foremost, hoping for the best, and when there is hope, a person becomes better.
I respect all religions and faiths...
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Here's a little story to ponder. The Pope died and went to heaven. At the pearly gates, he was greeted by Saint Peter, who asked, "Do you have any special requests before entering paradise?" "Yes," replied the Pope. "I knew I would go to heaven after death, but I've always been curious about what it's like in hell." "Very well," said Saint Peter. "If you wish, you may visit hell. But if you don't return within half an hour, you'll have to stay there forever." The Pope descended on an escalator into hell and found himself in a luxurious hotel. Looking around, he saw a beautiful beach where gorgeous women and handsome men were sunbathing. The bar offered an excellent selection of spirits, all drinks were free, and the menu featured national dishes from all nations. A Brazilian ensemble played lively samba music; everything was simply magnificent! The Pope walked around in amazement and suddenly realized that his half-hour was almost up. He rushed to the escalator and returned to heaven just in time. He entered the gates of heaven just as Saint Peter announced that lunch was ready. The Pope sat down at the table. Soon, Jesus joined them, bringing a plate of peanut butter sandwiches and herbal tea. "What is this?" the Pope exclaimed in horror. "Down in hell, they're all eating pizza, ice cream, and drinking French wine!" "You see," replied Saint Peter, "it wouldn't be appropriate to set such a lavish table just for the three of us!"
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