Mafia 95. The Wardens' campaign against Urubaen. — Mafia

KindShaman

3/14/2015 8:23 AM UTC

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WishmasteR

Besides, if the scales are a hint at Sapphire, then where is the clue? Perhaps the clawed paw.

No clues are created for murders committed by city-based roles.

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kcfgogbfalgfl

3/14/2015 8:23 AM UTC

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KindShaman

No clues are generated from kills by town roles.

So that's how it works.

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Larisa

3/14/2015 8:44 AM UTC

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City-based Hive units don't generate clues upon killing.

Ah, that's what it is! I didn't think of that. Then the blue scales are just a hint at Sapphire's role, most likely. I'll update my version of what happened:

City:
Eragon - joint attack on Arandor with Sapphire.
Sapphire - joint attack on Arandor with Eragon.
Arya - blocked me, thanks.
Solembum - unrecorded Night Duel.
Nasuada - unrecorded Night Duel (possibly found Elva, see last paragraph)
Angela - Arandor, killed.
Roran - unrecorded Night Duel.
Oromis - blocked Tenshi.
Glaedr - covered Sezam, successfully! Lost natural defense.
Elva - unrecorded Night Duel (possibly found Nasuada, see last paragraph).

Manic:
Blocked Heroist ("Suddenly, a terrible, heart-wrenching scream echoed behind him. Heroist was stunned and paralyzed with fear.")
And probably changed his status.

Mafia:
1) Thorn, indiscriminate fire attack on Sezam, but he was covered by Glaedr. The latter lost his natural defense.
2) and 3) - unrecorded Night Duels.

Now it all looks a little more logical.

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MasteR

3/14/2015 8:58 AM UTC

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Larisa

Ah, now I see! That didn't occur to me. Then the blue scales are just a hint at Sapphire's role, most likely. I'll update my version of what happened:

Town:
Eragon - joint attack with Sapphire on Arandor.
Sapphire - joint attack with Eragon on Arandor.
Arya - blocked me, thanks.
Solembum - non-displayed neutral.
Nasuada - non-displayed neutral (possibly found Elva, see last paragraph)
Angela - Arandor, killed.
Roran - non-displayed neutral.
Oromis - blocked Tenshi.
Glaedr - covered Sezam, successfully! Lost natural defense.
Elva - non-displayed neutral (possibly found Nasuada, see last paragraph).

Maniac:
Blocked Heroist ("Suddenly, a terrible, heart-wrenching scream rang out behind him. Heroist was stunned and paralyzed with fear.")
And definitely changed his status.

Mafia:
1) Thorn, indiscriminate fire attack on Sezam, but he was covered by Glaedr. The latter lost his natural defense.
2) and 3) - non-displayed neutral.

Now it all looks a little more logical.

This version has also been considered, and it looks more or less logical. It's just unclear why the information from the Shaman

Ah, now I see!

prompted you to change your version of events, because the lack of evidence for the town's murder doesn't contradict it...

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Larisa

3/14/2015 9:19 AM UTC

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I missed that Thorn only commits faceless murders starting from the second night, so here's the correction: Mafia: 1) Galbatorix or Shruikan, fire attack on Saphira, but it was covered up by Glaedr. The latter lost his natural protection. 2) and 3) - unrevealed neutrals. Master, because the words "blue scales" immediately made me think of Saphira, but this version was contradicted by the lack of evidence against her. And when the Shaman wrote that no clues are given on the city, this version became the most likely for me.

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Ment

3/14/2015 9:21 AM UTC

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2) and 3) - non-displaying neutral dwellings.

Well, strictly speaking, it's not a certainty, but perhaps it's better to stick to this version. Vish, what a great Barbarian! And he's doing well against Yashur, it's a pity he's not playing.

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MasteR

3/14/2015 9:31 AM UTC

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Larisa

I missed that Thorn only performs faceless kills starting from the second night, so here's the correction:

Mafia:
1) Galbatorix or Shruikan, fire attack on Sesham, but it was covered up by Glaedr. The latter lost his natural protection.
2) and 3) - non-displayed NDs.

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Master, because the words "blue scales" immediately made me think of Sapphire, but this version was contradicted by the lack of evidence against her. And when the Shaman wrote that no evidence is given on the city map, this version became the most likely for me.

but this still doesn't contradict that version, although I won't insist on being right

I didn't notice during the first reading that Thorn only performs faceless kills from the 2nd night onwards, i.e., it turns out that the mafia can safely kill without leaving evidence in all subsequent nights. This prospect is not very pleasing.
Given that Eragon and Roran have natural protection, Sapphire can be resurrected, and Elva is resistant to physical attacks, Nasuada can assign guards to herself (I didn't see a clause in the rules prohibiting the use of NDs on oneself), and the dwarves have very good chances of getting into the mafia and not killing their own. What do you think, is this risk justified?

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KindShaman

3/14/2015 9:33 AM UTC

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Torn attacks once every two nights. It's written in the details.

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Regarding Nasuada, see the link in the clarifications to the rules.

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MasteR

3/14/2015 9:38 AM UTC

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KindShaman

Torn attacks once every two nights. It's written in the details.

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Regarding Nasuada, see the link in the clarifications to the rules.

I saw it. Please add these clarifications to the first post.

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Красный кристалл
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Легендарная война
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Ment

3/14/2015 9:41 AM UTC

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Considering that Eragon and Roran have natural defenses, Saphira can be resurrected, and Elva is resistant to physical attacks, Nasuada can assign guards to protect herself (I didn't see a rule prohibiting the use of Night Defense on oneself), and the Gors have a very good chance of getting into the Mafia while not killing their own. What do you think, is this risk justified?

On one hand, yes, but on the other hand, the Mafia also has enough defenses... Although, it's clear that this time you can attack more boldly at night than usual.

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Драккошка

3/14/2015 10:10 AM UTC

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Drug addicts.
Our helpful guy is being cautious, unlike the city's drug addicts. I would act cautiously in their place too. Defense is defense, but it doesn't take long to wipe out half the city.
I won't even mention the sudden, faceless attack; I can imagine how the mafia is cursing the GM in the chat.

А, вот почему.

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Larisa

3/14/2015 10:12 AM UTC

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Considering that Eragon and Roran have natural defenses, Saphira can be resurrected, and Elva is resistant to physical attacks, Nasuada can assign guards to protect herself (I didn't see a rule prohibiting the use of natural defenses on oneself), and the dwarves have a very good chance of getting into the melee and not killing their own. What do you think, is this risk justified?

Another argument in favor of this tactic is that the Mages have Darza, who can mass-kill targets and everyone who comes to their aid, piercing defenses. That is, if the city units defend each other too much, it might even be detrimental. For example, Sezam has now practically revealed herself as a peaceful unit, and now peaceful units with their natural defenses might be drawn to her... this would be a bad tactic, simply a gift for the Mages. In this sense, it is better to take a risk and attack themselves. First of all, this applies to city units, as they have more information. I don't think it's worth it for single peaceful units. In general, it's risky, and it's difficult to assess how justified it is. But as an option, it's not bad at all!

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