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Don't have a plan? Would this one work?

1. The President – Ukraine doesn't need him. This is part of the Russian mindset: there must be a prince-tsar-emperor-leader-general secretary-president, by the very nature of things. Ukrainians don't have this archetype because of the people's increased "freedom," which is why the president doesn't take root.
Well, it's not necessary; let it be a parliamentary republic.

2. Representation of different parties not only in the legislative but also in the executive branch. Because right now, what's happening? The ruling party appoints the government, which is the same thing as with the president, just from a different angle. But it could be: the ruling party appoints a prime minister, and he assembles a team from different parties, say, one ministerial portfolio for every 12-15 deputies. This is certainly a complex management task, but the head of state should only be involved in such tasks, selecting suitable people for suitable positions.

3. Separation of the state from business. A declaration that if a person decides to pursue a political career, they cannot engage in business, and neither can their children. And no law can be passed to benefit one enterprise to the detriment of others. Creating such a legal environment in which firms and organizations can only compete through economic means. This should be the main task of the state, which cannot be accomplished in a few years. That is, the main task of the state should be: creating conditions under which the population of Ukraine will peacefully and fairly develop the wealth of their country.

Ukraine's wealth:
30% of the world's black soil reserves (the most productive soil)
reserves of coal, iron, and manganese ore (direct competitors to Russia)
a complete aircraft manufacturing cycle has been preserved
automotive industry (forget about passenger cars, but you can produce public transport yourself)
shipbuilding (unfortunately, in a state of suspended animation)
a population of 45 million, a considerable resource and a huge domestic market.
And much more, it just needs a Creator to follow the Destroyers.
Are you sure that this is what the 450 deputies (billionaires) want? Do you think that anyone in the Verkhovna Rada is seriously ready to fundamentally change the country and the regime? Do you think that the people will not sell out for a piece of "lard" in the next elections, as they have done repeatedly in the past? This plan is doomed to fail.
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Are you sure that this is what the 450 deputies (billionaires) want? Do you think that anyone in the Verkhovna Rada is seriously ready to fundamentally change the country and the regime? Do you think that the people will not sell out for a piece of "lard" in the next elections, as they have done repeatedly in the past? This plan is doomed to fail.
Well, if they've decided to overthrow the Hetman, why not put together a company of deputies for him? :D
Actually, the deputies will readily agree to the first two points; this is an expansion of their powers. And the third point is very difficult and will take a long time; it is a task for several generations.
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Everything that is happening in Ukraine now is primarily provoked by the authorities, and they bear all the responsibility for what is happening. None of this would have happened if Yanukovych had signed the agreement with the EU two months ago. Instead, he dispersed the Maidan and beat students. After that, the issue was no longer about the EU, but about his resignation. If he had resigned then, everything would have calmed down. Instead, he passed a package of repressive laws. Naturally, the people's patience ran out, and he got what is happening now. So, all the responsibility lies with the authorities, in particular with Yanukovych. For this, he will undoubtedly soon go to the toilet for the third time.
I don't care much about Yanukovych's future, but I don't understand, did "this" really start because he didn't sign the association agreement with Europe? Did those who protested or those who think so even read what it said? The responsibility for what is happening lies with both warring sides.
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Both warring sides are responsible for what happened.
Responsibility cannot be applied to such an abstract concept as a "side." Responsibility can only lie with specific individuals. Here are specific individuals who are responsible for the revolution: Yanukovych, Azarov. And many other people in power who are going against the people and provoking a revolution, and they will be justly punished for it.
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Responsibility cannot be applied to such an abstract concept as a "side." Responsibility can only lie with specific individuals. Here are the specific individuals responsible for the revolution: Yanukovych, Azarov. And many other people in power who are going against the people and provoking the revolution, and they will be justly punished for it.
My subjective opinion is that this is not a revolution and cannot be one. Of course, there are about 3-5 million people who are dissatisfied, and this is a force that must be reckoned with, but there are 45 million people in the country. So, when the "Bender" types come to power, should they act with the same methods, but from the other side, and will the responsibility lie with those who came to power? No, I still believe that both sides are responsible here.
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This is not a revolution.

Regional administrations have been captured and are under siege.
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Regional administrations have been captured and are under siege.
Just armchair talk.
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Empty words.
Really?)) Without knowing the situation, it's not worth leaving stupid comments.
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I am currently in one of the "red" cities and I know exactly what I'm talking about. The only thing that happened during this time was that people from Kyiv came and caused some minor trouble, but the police quickly apprehended them, and that was the end of it. But, of course, if you have nothing in your head, you can perceive this as an "invasion" and a "revolution."
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Who are they storming with? Ultra-nationalists? 1000 Bandera supporters and a couple of thousand extras? I'm talking about the regions. Well, Lviv, never mind, they've been on the side of "fascism" for a long time, but what about the others? Who's for "salо" (cured pork fat), who's for "action," it's a pity. P.S. I watched a documentary about Lviv, where they said that Bandera supporters are everywhere and that if you speak Russian, they might hit you in the face. So, I went to Lviv (just passing through, on my way to Truskavets), and when I got off at the train station, I heard both Russian and Ukrainian being spoken. I went on excursions to Uzhhorod and other places, and there were no problems either. In fact, there are more Hungarians and other nationalities there than Ukrainians. And all these tensions between the west and the east are just political manipulation. People want to live peacefully, stably, and comfortably, and they don't want revolutions. They are disappointed after Viktor "the rough one."
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I am in one of the "red" cities.
What is the name of the city?
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What is the name of the city?

Sorry, I couldn't resist! ;)
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It doesn't matter. If I haven't made myself clear enough, I'll explain in more detail: the point is that these small acts of vandalism are happening everywhere, but thanks to the media and online personalities, less discerning people get the impression that a global revolution has swept across the entire country, when nothing like that is happening. I can't speak for other cities, but since my city has already been "taken over," it's safe to assume that they're lying about the others as well. And in general, you can write anything you want in blogs, so it's the last source of information you should rely on.
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For skeptical theorists:

Rovno
Lviv
Cherkasy
Ternopil
Ivano-Frankivsk
Zhytomyr

Hopefully, you'll have enough sense to Google the rest of the cities.
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