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5000 on a hero is no joke right now.

Yeah, I thought about it, and I would actually make it free.

Demon worshiper:)

And who was it that told me that 5000 for upgrading a mine is very little, even though a similar warehouse costs that much?

No comment. Maybe then it will be easier to switch to G6 if you like free conversions so much?

I said I would add another rare resource as a bonus for upgrading later.

How often and at what stage of the game can you steal another player's dwelling on regular maps? Often, it's not even captured; it's just not worth the distraction.

I don't understand the double standards: developing mines is expensive, but developing dwellings is free.

Mines are captured in the 1st week, and non-native dwellings in the last (on normal maps), that's the difference. Even for a cockroach to reach it, you still need to break through the enemy's defenses. Therefore, everything here is logical. No one will pay 5000 to improve an already unnecessary dwelling!

I don't know how you play, but in a normal game, situations often arise where you encounter enemy dwellings starting from week 2-3. And converted dwellings are clearly more useful than developed mines, especially at higher levels.

In the late game, isn't the weekly increase of certain native creatures (let's say, a Fortress) needed to "control" some 5000 (although I was talking about a fair price for a dwelling, corresponding to its level)?

Well, choose even the most suitable standard map ;) Dwellings are usually placed between mines of common and rare resources. Higher-level dwellings are located further away. That's the first thing.
Secondly, if all players have an equal opportunity to convert, where is the imbalance? (An imbalance is when, for example, there are 2 Elves and one Academic, and one Elf takes dwellings from the other Elf and transports them to his own Castle over long distances (which is also a plus in favor of conversion)).
The only thing that can be done is to make it so that when a dwelling is captured, a non-removable guard accumulates in it over time.

Dwellings are like mines. Most mines, especially in the late game, are practically unnecessary, depending on the situation. And this (the fact that objects play a role depending on the situation) is a perfectly normal part of the gameplay in Heroes 5.

For dwellings, it's a conversion; for mines, it's an upgrade. The processes are different. If upgrading dwellings were a form of growth, then they would be comparable to mines. But, considering the different procedures, they are different not only in application but also in result.

The concept of "balance" is broader than you think. It's completely imbalanced to simply take an enemy outpost and, for 500 coins, convert it into your own, getting a free dwelling. It's the same as converting it for free; in that case, it would be easier to make auto-conversion so that you don't have to click the mouse mindlessly.

I don't understand at all why you would turn a G5 into a G6. Apparently, your mod is written exclusively for a narrow circle of people (your clan).

I had an idea about alternative buildings in the city. For example, either a warehouse or a capitol. In this case, the cost of upgrading mines will decrease significantly, while the cost of the warehouse will increase.
For example, the price of upgrading a mine without a warehouse = 5000, with a warehouse 1500.

The idea arose of alternative buildings in the city. For example, either a warehouse or a capitol.

And what prevents another player from doing the same?

In addition, the upgrade can be completely prohibited without building a warehouse (hereinafter "workshop" - well, you can rename it that way).

I'm saying it again, the concept of "balance" is broader than you think. For example, you can lower some alt-upgrades to an unacceptably low level, and no one will choose them, but the "balance" in your sense won't suffer, because the faction as a whole will maintain its overall performance statistics due to other upgrades. Balance is also about equal choice, which you won't have (converting dwellings will happen almost automatically).

Yes, of course... :confused:
I've already given an example where one player gets non-native dwellings, while another gets native ones on free land belonging to an opponent (for example, out of 4 possible dwellings, only 2 are available, which means there's almost a freebie). Where's the balance in that? At least that...
But with upgrades, it won't really affect things, as the second branch will serve as a reserve, and there won't be one, except perhaps for the Terran Empire with its nimble units, where it might be a bit worse...

But with upgrades, it won't really affect things, as the second branch will serve as a reserve, and there won't be one, except perhaps for the Terran Empire with its nimble units, where it might be a bit worse...