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Offline Ment
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Usually, in a chat for casual users, they discuss all sorts of trivial things that are not interesting to anyone (except those who are discussing them). Take HeroesPortal, for example; they give each other virtual gifts for real money and tell jokes... And a forum chat, in my opinion, is just too much. And yes, I don't see any problems with moderation.
 

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Offline Arandor
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What's the point of discussing something important in the chat when the chat will be cleared of all messages in 7 days? Of course, you can discuss it, then copy it into a topic to save it. I'm just saying how it used to be; now, things might be different because there are fewer spammers, and they are less active; they are quite happy with their own section. But if they create a chat, it will most likely be a general one, and therefore, there might be spam in it. Even smiley parades =\

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Offline Dirty_Player
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The chat is a huge problem for the forum and its owner (it is needed in an extremely responsible form of moderation)
Just take a look at the chat on HeroesPortal. It seems pretty neat and civilized there.
The chat on WT is a real dump, but it was created with the idea of "free speech" in mind. On HW, that won't fly, and for swearing in the chat, particularly talkative users will get banned on the forum. That's all there is to it.
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Offline R55Max
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Just take a look at the chat on HeroesPortal. It seems to be a well-organized and civilized place.
The WT chat is a real garbage dump, but it was created with the idea of "freedom of speech." Such behavior won't be tolerated on HW, and those who engage in abusive chat will be banned from the forum. That's all.
Your post scared me, especially the part where you mention the WT chat and all the negative things you have to say about it – it's absurd for development. It's simply the opposite of all other chats; it's like saying, "Guys, don't do that." The Portal chat isn't great either, but it's different, just like different people have different personalities.

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Why discuss anything important in the chat when it will be cleared of all messages in 7 days?
The discussion in the chat isn't about the question of "why discuss?"; it simply follows the line of discussion that the participants direct it towards. [br][/br]
In the course of 7 days, there can be many discussions, and the most important ones among the participants will be happening right now (1-12 hours); tomorrow, they will be talking about something else or arguing.
Clearing the chat once a week is just removing outdated material, but ideally, the trash should be removed once a day, but that's not enough for culture – we need online moderators – there are many "villains" in a good sense of the word.

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Usually, in a chat for those who like to chat aimlessly, they discuss all sorts of nonsense that is uninteresting to anyone (except those who are discussing it). Take HeroesPortal, for example; they give each other virtual flowers for money and tell jokes...
That's exactly it...
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Offline Драккошка
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Bring back the chat to its original state :) So that moderators can moderate, spammers can spam, and the most dedicated users can compete for the top spot, and all the other joys of life. Ah, nostalgia...
Besides, the chat is a reliable way to recruit newcomers into the ranks of the forum's spamming community.

P.S. Factories for the peasants, land for the workers, and rank images for the users!
А, вот почему.

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Offline Dyrman
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We need to create a forum-based chat with multiple rooms for thematic discussions. We all know what spam is – it eventually becomes disruptive.
Why not simply create a separate room/section for off-topic conversations? After all, there is already a separate section on the forum, so, judging by the forum sections, it would be better to create several rooms (for different versions of the game, other similar games, off-topic conversations, etc.) than to just have a general chat.
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Offline Zybr
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R55Max, your calculations are frankly quite alarming, and I'm afraid you don't understand what's being discussed. Though Dirty gave a good example with the portal chat. Chat is an additional entertainment option where people mostly talk about nothing, occasionally about Heroes. No one is going to write scientific treatises there. And it will need to be cleaned so it doesn't take up unnecessary server space.

On HeroesWorld, the chat was launched twice. The first time was the most successful — there were almost always a lot of good people around, it was fun and heartfelt. Occasionally some individuals would intrude, but they were dealt with quickly.
The second time was less successful in terms of turnout, most likely because people had already burned out. But still, nothing terrible happened there.
I think the third launch will be somewhere between the first and second in terms of success.


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Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!


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Offline Победитель
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Um, I also think that the chat should only be implemented as an addition to the general discussion forum. There's no point in discussing anything important there; it will just get lost. I agree that all forum moderators should have moderation rights in the chat.

Since we've brought up other issues in this thread, I'd like to raise two more: new forum skins and the ability for moderators to edit polls.
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Offline R55Max
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Zybr, personally, I wouldn't want to see endless pointless arguments in the chat, insults, or anything of that nature when I visit the forum, as these are an integral part of various chats. If the chat is a "civilized" place for communication and it's fun and enjoyable, as mentioned above, then I wouldn't be against it, but in order for it to be that way, it must be moderated and all violators must be strictly punished.
Why not just create a separate room/section for casual chatting? After all, there is a separate section on the forum, so, judging by the forum sections, it would be better to create several rooms (by versions of Heroes, other similar games, casual chatting, etc.) than to simply have a general chat.
That's also an option. P.S. We also need to understand what kind of chat it will be. An interactive chat like ICQ or one that is tied to page updates.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Offline Zybr
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P.S. We also need to consider what kind of chat it will be. Will it be interactive like ICQ, or tied to page updates?
It used to be interactive.


Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!


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Offline R55Max
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It used to be interactive.
So, you write a message, send it, and everyone sees it immediately because it's not the forum page that updates, but the chat module, right?
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Offline Dirty_Player
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It should be noted that a well-designed and high-quality chat implementation is important. What was there last time was not serious at all. The chat should be in a separate window with many functions. All moderators should also be given the function of "Locking the chat for X days" to calm down those who talk too much.
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Offline R55Max
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"Lock the chat for X days" to calm down those who talk too much.
I would add X days for the most serious offenses.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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As for me, let there be a chat. Instead of a "sacred haven of debauchery", by the way, the most popular topic on HeroesWorld is Mакс. So that flooders don't ... (I wanted to say "defecate") on the forum with their unreadable nonsense. It's a kind of online version of flooderasty. And over time, pull the string in the toilet, flushing everything into oblivion. Naturally, ban, punish, etc. for swearing, spam, and so on. And the forum will be cleaner from this, away from all sorts of mafias, and flooders will have fun. That's my IMHO.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Offline R55Max
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As for me, let the chat exist. Instead of a "haven of debauchery", by the way, the most popular topic on HeroesWorld is Max. So that flamers don't... (I wanted to say "defecate") on the forum with their unreadable nonsense. A kind of online version of flame-fest. And over time, pull the chain in the toilet, flushing it all into oblivion. Naturally, ban, punish, etc. for swearing, spam, etc. And the forum will be cleaner from this, away from all the mafias and flamers will have fun. That's my IMHO.
Yes, I'm aware that it's the most popular one, and there you can see purely arguments very often (I once read a couple of hundred pages), and sometimes harsh mudslinging happens off-topic from what they're arguing about, we don't need that kind of football.

I'm not against chat as such, but I am for it being decent (which I doubt 90%). The analogy of the WoG forum is just frightening, and after all, almost all HoMM3 players end up there sooner or later, so that's what makes me, as a HoMM3 player, wary.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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