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VDV_forever

19 years ago

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Offline Tournament "Evil Lands".

TOURNAMENT RULES

1. To participate in the first offline tournament, "Best of the best," you must register on our website www.heroesworld.ru and submit an application in this thread.

2. The tournament will be held on the Russian version of Heroes 1 (Platinum from Buky).

3. Each player can only submit one final save! (Repeatedly submitted saves will not be considered!)

4. The submitted save must contain the tournament number (1), the participant's tournament number, and the abbreviation (ZZ - Evil Lands), as well as the player's nickname.

Example:

1_1_ZZ_Admin.GM1

1_2_ZZ_VDV_forever.GM1

5. Along with the submitted save, it is mandatory to provide a description of the last step (battle with a hero, battle for a castle, capturing an artifact, defeating the last monster) after which the victory or scenario completion occurs.

6. Cheating programs, codes, and any additional programs that allow you to change the game structure are PROHIBITED!

7. The result will be evaluated primarily based on the shortest time. If several players have equal times, the best will be determined by the sum of primary skills (attack, defense, magic, knowledge) INCLUDING WORN ARTIFACTS; if a favorite still cannot be determined, then by the amount of mercury.

8. You can only dig up the Grail when the puzzle map is fully revealed.

9. Send saves to the email address VDV_forever@BK.RU

10. Applications are accepted until November 14, 2006.

11. In case of suspicion of cheating or other malicious intent during gameplay, it is necessary to save every day.
In this case (detection of cheating), the player must send additional saves and provide a description of the playthrough to determine whether the play was fair or not, to the tournament organizer. The results of a player who played unfairly will be disqualified, and their further participation in tournaments will be impossible. This will also affect their reputation negatively.

12. Discussion of the tournament during its course is welcome!!!
(Players who follow this rule will automatically earn my recognition:). Just please do not reveal your final result until the end of the tournament.

13. The tournament starts on October 25th and lasts until November 15th (inclusive!). The results will be announced on November 17th.

14. After receiving your save, we will notify you via email at our website http://www.heroesworld.ru/

P.S. I wish all participants good luck with the game and most importantly VICTORY!

P.S.S. If there are any additions or comments, please don't hesitate to express them so that we can minimize disagreements and shortcomings in the process of conducting the tournament

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS for the Offline Tournament "Evil Lands"!
NUMBER	PLAYER NICKNAME
1	VDV_forever
2	Qwerty
3	Prorock
4	Sergh
5	Zingel
6	Alan
7	Celt
8	AlexeyPank
9	DarkMavr
10	IronAxe

This list may be added to with new participants!
We invite everyone to participate in the tournament!

Saves will only be considered from players who are on this table, so submit your applications IN ADVANCE!!!

All about the starting
save

Starting
save

starting October 25th, download the save:
1.gm1 - difficulty level is hardest 150%

Sincerely, VDV_forever

Alan

19 years ago

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Well, how many times have we said that walkthroughs (neither full nor brief) should not be posted here. You can discuss the tournament at an emotional level (see the first two pages, up to Zingel's post with the description). But I want to play through it myself from scratch... Guys, please respect other participants of the tournament.

P.S. IronAxe, I invite you to participate in the 2-player hero tournament. /topic/1254/

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Sergh

19 years ago

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IronAxe;45316

In short, the essence of the walkthrough is: wait for the boatman to arrive.

Good for you... but the boat never came to me :( I had to walk...

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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Alan;45327

Dude, how many times have I said that walkthroughs (neither complete nor brief) should not be posted here. You can discuss the Tournament at an emotional level (see the first two pages, up to Zingel's post with the description). But it’s more fun to play through from scratch… Guys, respect other participants in the Tournament.

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12. Discussion of the Tournament during its run is welcome!!!
(Players who follow this rule will automatically earn my appreciation). Just please don't announce your final result until the end of the Tournament.
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Where does it say here that discussion should be at an emotional level??? There were no violations on my part – you need to write the rules correctly. I actually read them very carefully.

Alan;45327

P.S. IronAxe, I invite you to participate in the 2-hero Tournament. /topic/1254/

Thank you. I am unhappy with the restrictions imposed on this Tournament.
You can buy out this hero, but you cannot buy out that one. This one can be bought out, but you can't use him right away. You can use this one, but you can't buy him out. My head hurts from playing like this. If I have money earned through honest work, then I can buy and fire as many heroes as I want - that’s what the game is for. And I don't see any point in these bans - ESPECIALLY when playing OFF-line. When playing On-line, I can agree with such bans because there is a turn order among real players - someone goes before someone else.
But what about off-line?

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Sergh;45335

It was great for you... but my boat never arrived :( so I had to walk...

Maybe you were walking too fast forward, i.e., quickly moving your army towards the yellow territory by land? Maybe in this case, the computer didn't risk attacking by sea. Of course, you can try loading saves again, but I haven't checked it myself. Let's just say I got lucky.

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Sergh

19 years ago

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IronAxe;45337

Or maybe you were moving too fast, i.e., quickly advancing your army to the yellow area on land? Perhaps in that case, the computer didn't dare attack from the sea. You can, of course, try loading a previous save, but I haven't tested this myself. I guess I was just lucky.

No, this is normal...
When I played the map for the first time, I also had something of a pilgrimage to me; three boats almost arrived together. :)

And when I replayed it, nobody came at all :( (did they all drown?)

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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Sergh;45346

No, that's normal...
When I played the map for the first time, I also had something like a pilgrimage – three boats almost arrived together. :)
And when I replayed it, nobody came at all :( (did they all drown?)

That's the thing, I've played it twice. But I dug through my saves and found the exact save where the first visitor arrived. It was around day 7, I think, and that's when I started replaying it.
The result was significantly improved compared to my previous attempt, as I think. Because when I came up with the idea of using boats and a different order for taking out the AI, I abandoned the first version before finishing it, but the improvement was already noticeable. The yellow player is the most annoying opponent :) and their central Fortress has an unfavorable location.
Taking it first creates a headache with its defense. In my opinion, it's most advantageous to take out the blue player first. I haven't tried taking out the red player first, and for some reason, I don't like that option as much. But the options of taking out the blue or red player first are only possible if you have a boat. Building one yourself is too expensive, so you need to figure out how to lure visitors to you on boats. :)

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Hello VDV!
Since you gave me positive feedback, does that mean my save is accepted? Did I understand correctly?

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VDV_forever

19 years ago

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IronAxe;45389

Hello VDV!

Greetings to you, esteemed IronAxe!

IronAxe;45389

Since you gave me positive feedback, does that mean my save has been accepted? Am I understanding correctly?

Absolutely!

P.S. What do you think about a description of this tournament? (More detailed than in your previous post, after the tournament ends)

Added 3 minutes later
Dear tournament participants, you yourselves convinced me that the section for discussing the tournament should be changed :o. So, I changed it :D

Sincerely, VDV_forever

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Prorock

19 years ago

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IronAxe;45316

I wanted to create a short description, but it turned out to be quite lengthy. So, maybe it shouldn't be posted here. Briefly, the essence of the Walkthrough: we wait for the boatman. We take the blue Fortress. By the second week, there are already hydras there. Then, we take the central yellow Fortress. We have three boats. We create three groups: two on boats go through the whirlpool near the yellow Fortress to the central whirlpool. One group goes to the red Fortress on the shore. The second goes to the desert. The third group from the former central yellow Fortress goes overland to the red Fortress in the east. The remaining heroes and another boatman provide support in chains, delivering reinforcements. All three groups act in sync. By the end of the game, I had 6 Fortresses (including my own) and two villages that I took from the neutrals, one on my territory, and the other in the desert.
PS. I haven't found another solution for a speedrun. We'll wait for the results.
PS. Specifically, the yellow player ruined everything by taking the neutral village in the winter and almost immediately turning it into a Fortress. If he had taken the village on the red player's territory instead, it might have been possible to significantly speed up the Walkthrough.

There are always other options for a speedrun... I PERSONALLY HAD ANOTHER ONE!;)
I will show respect to the other participants and will not provide any descriptions until the end of the tournament.
But you, IronAxe, did not violate the rules of this tournament with your description.

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Alan;45327

Guys, we've talked about this many times: descriptions of Walkthroughs (neither complete nor brief) should not be posted here. You can discuss the tournament at an emotional level (see the first two pages, up to Zingel's post with the description). But it's more fun to play through it from scratch... Guys, respect the other participants in the tournament.

Alan, I understand your dissatisfaction, but unfortunately, we ourselves amended the tournament rules to remove the "PROHIBITION" on discussing the tournament during its course.
The only thing he can be accused of is a lack of respect for other participants... ALTHOUGH HE IS NOT TO BLAME HERE!!
After Zingel's description, we unofficially, AND AS FAR AS I REMEMBER, IN ANOTHER THREAD, decided to refrain from actively discussing it in detail (only in general terms).
And IronAxe, as far as I can tell, is not aware of this agreement.
He just read the rules and did everything according to the rules, and nothing more.
If anyone is to blame, it's only US!

Added 5 minutes ago

VDV_forever;45562

Dear Tournament Participants, you yourselves convinced me that the rule regarding discussing the tournament should be changed:o. Well, I changed it:D

Sincerely, VDV_forever

That's right - now we're getting what we asked for;)

This will be a lesson for all of us... I HOPE:D
In the next tournaments, we will definitely change this rule in the opposite direction!;)

I have a question for VDV forever:
Since the deadline for this tournament is gradually approaching its logical conclusion, could you please let us know the EXACT DEADLINE for submitting the final save file!?

Sincerely,
Prorock.

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VDV_forever

19 years ago

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Prorock;45598

I have a question for VDV forever:
Since the deadline for this tournament is approaching its logical conclusion, couldn't we find out the EXACT deadline for submitting the final save file!?

13. The tournament starts on October 25th and will last until November 15th (inclusive!). The results will be announced on November 17th.
That is, you can send your save file no later than November 15th at 24:00 Moscow time.;)

P.S. And why can't you send your save file today, for example:confused:

Sincerely, VDV_forever

Prorock

19 years ago

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Thanks, I understand. If it's before the 15th, I still have a chance to play the map a second time, because it would be a shame to only play it once – although the result was VERY GOOD. ...I definitely won't be last. Sincerely, Prorock.

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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VDV_forever;45562

Good day to you, dear IronAxe!
P.S. What do you think about a description of this tournament?:) (A more detailed one than in your previous post, after the tournament is over)

I've said it several times already about my attitude towards descriptions. If I make it into the top three, I'll provide a more detailed one. Otherwise (if a player doesn't make it to the top but still provides a description), it won't be of much interest. It's up to them – if someone wants to, let them write it.
Special attention should be paid to the description of the player who took first place. In the event that one of the leaders (2nd or 3rd place) wants to repeat the Walkthrough based on the winner's description, the leader should be required to provide complete information about the Walkthrough, in such detail that the person repeating it can actually FOLLOW THE WALKTHROUGH based on their description.
I emphasize this especially because the leader's description, made available for everyone to see, may not be enough to repeat the Walkthrough.

I even suggest that you include this in the rules for running tournaments, so that requests to the leader for clarification on the Walkthrough are of a completely official nature. You have something similar in the rules, but it's a bit different; it only applies to players suspected of cheating. But why should we suspect the leader of cheating? And if a player just wants to play the map following the winner's path – they can check it out at the same time :)

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VDV_forever

19 years ago

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IronAxe;45725

I even suggest including this in the tournament rules, so that requests to the leader for clarification on the walkthrough have a completely official character.

Respect, IronAxe! Next time, I will definitely include this point in the rules! (And how didn't I think of it myself:mad:).

Sincerely, VDV_forever

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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Prorock;45598

There are always other options for speedrunning... I PERSONALLY HAD A DIFFERENT ONE!;)

But here, there aren't that many main options. And one of the options will turn out to be the fastest. That's what I call SPEEDRUNNING. But when I wrote about myself, I meant that one of the options I tried was a speedrun, but that doesn't mean that someone else didn't complete it faster. If such players are found, then the option of initially eliminating the blue player across the sea will NO LONGER BE CONSIDERED A SPEEDRUN.
And since I don't know yet how quickly others completed it, for me, for now, this option of mine, out of two, is a speedrun, and I haven't found another :)

Prorock;45598

And IronAxe, as far as I can tell, is not aware of this agreement of ours.
He just read the rules and did everything according to the rules, and nothing more.

Absolutely correct. I don't read all the posts.

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VDV_forever;45726

Respect to IronAxe! Next time, I will definitely include this point in the rules! (And how didn't I think of it myself:mad:).
Sincerely, VDV_forever

But please note that only 2 players can contact the leader with such requests, namely the 2nd and 3rd place players. This may be done in a private message. But it would be better if these questions to the leader were in the tournament topic so that the leader's answers to these two players' questions could be read by EVERYONE.
Because imagine that a player from 100th place decides to follow the leader's path. He will have too many questions, and the answers to many of them are already known to everyone, and this will only increase the load on the leader. In other words, you need to earn the right to ask the leader additional questions about the walkthrough with your gameplay :)
And for training beginners, it is probably necessary to create separate topics where they can ask their questions. The world is not without good people - someone will definitely answer.

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Zingel

19 years ago

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IronAxe;45725

I've said it several times before about my attitude towards descriptions. If I make it into the top three, I'll provide a more detailed one. Otherwise (if a player who isn't a leader provides a description), it's not particularly interesting. It's up to them – if someone wants to, let them write it.
Special attention should be paid to the description of the player who took first place. In the case where one of the leaders (2nd or 3rd place) wants to repeat the Walkthrough based on the winner's description, the leader should be required to provide complete information about the Walkthrough, in such detail that the person repeating it can actually FOLLOW THE WALKTHROUGH based on their description.
I'm emphasizing this especially because the leader's description, made available for everyone to see, might not be enough to repeat the Walkthrough.

I even suggest that you include this in the rules for running tournaments, so that requests to the leader for clarification on the Walkthrough are completely official. You have something similar in the rules, but it's a bit different; it only applies to players suspected of cheating. But why would we suspect the leader of cheating? And if a player simply wants to play the map following the winner's path – they can check it out at the same time :)

In my opinion, VDV_forever has already looked at the results and chose your save as the most interesting, or perhaps the best, or one of the best. That's why he's asking :)

Hmm, I sent my save in a bit too early. :(

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Prorock

19 years ago

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IronAxe;45725

I even suggest that you include this in the tournament rules, so that requests to the leader for clarification on how the game was played are of a completely official nature. You already have something like this in the rules, but it's a bit different; it only applies to players suspected of cheating. But why would we suspect the leader of cheating? And if a player simply wants to complete a map in a winning way, it can also serve as a check.

This new RULE is called:
"PROVE YOU'RE NOT A GOAT"

Creating a description is VOLUNTARY.
But making it so detailed forces the winner to PROVE something!

This measure should serve as ARBITRATION in case of suspicion, but why provoke this function by making it a RULE?

This is starting to look less like a TOURNAMENT and more like something else...
With such ideas, we are only ruining the entire atmosphere of the tournament and moving away from its entire ideology...:(:(:)

Creating a similar description for this tournament won't be too difficult, but creating such a complete description for another tournament will already be a burden...

Personally, I like to create a description if I win a tournament or if I am asked to do so.
But I describe ONLY the key moments of the game in great detail (those who have read it know what I'm talking about), which allow for pivotal or important moments to be made.
The description is VERY LARGE, but after reading it, it will be almost impossible to repeat it.
I HAVE NEVER SET AND WILL NOT SET SUCH GOALS IN THE DESCRIPTION

The idea of creating a school already existed, but it was not fully implemented and not in the way we wanted to see it...
HOPEFULLY, THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME!

Sincerely,
Prorock.

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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Prorock;45930

This new RULE is called:
"PROVE YOU AREN'T A CHEATER"
Writing a description is a VOLUNTARY task.
But making it so detailed forces the winner to PROVE something!

But how do you check the best result for a clean playthrough? The winner doesn't prove anything; they tell how they achieved such results! And if, after their explanation, none of the players who took 2nd and 3rd place in the tournament can repeat their playthrough, then there are two options: either they didn't tell everything, or they deliberately didn't. How can this be clarified without additional questioning? And if they cheated somewhere, even just a little bit :) The best way to check is to repeat the playthrough and achieve the same result.

And there's no need to just say that the player who took second place won't be able to do it if they have the right to ask the winner more detailed questions.

Prorock;45930

This measure should act as ARBITRATION when suspicions arise, BUT why provoke this function by making it a RULE.

I don't want to talk about this, but it seems I have to. And on what basis can you even suspect the leader? THIS MOMENT IS NOT REFLECTED IN YOUR RULES. Therefore, a smart cheater can hide the use of cheats by making the description confusing, which, according to you, is difficult to repeat :D Or they might not even provide a description at all, since, according to you, it's purely voluntary.

Prorock;45930

This is starting to look less like a TOURNAMENT and more like something else...
With these ideas, we are only ruining the entire atmosphere of the tournament and moving away from its entire ideology...:(:(:)

Stop talking nonsense, especially about ideology. The ideology of the tournament should be that an honest player doesn't take a prize-winning place.

Prorock;45930

Creating such a description for this tournament will not be particularly difficult, but creating the same detailed description for another tournament will already be a burden...

If you like to ride, you have to like to carry the sled!

Prorock;45930

The description is VERY LARGE, but after reading it, it will be almost impossible to repeat it.

What does "almost impossible" mean? I'm saying it's possible.

Prorock;45930

I DID NOT SET AND WILL NOT SET SUCH GOALS IN THE DESCRIPTION

Do you think a cheater will set such goals to provide a complete description? I'm not talking about you personally here, but about the cheater.

And you personally will set such goals for yourself, and so will any of us, if you happen to take 1st place and the rules require you to provide a sufficient description that can be used to repeat the playthrough, considering that the person repeating it will be a player of approximately the same skill level as the leader.

Speaking for myself, if I'm lucky enough to take 1st place somewhere, then if the 2nd or 3rd place wants to repeat/check, I will be ready to prove that I'm not a cheater. But how do you know if the person who doesn't want to prove it is a cheater or not? :D