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Okay. Paid professionals, just like in developed countries. By the way, in Australia, you can only change a light bulb in the presence of a qualified electrician.
Seriously? I had a better opinion of Australians.
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Seriously? I had a better opinion of Australians.
That's right. Why, for example, should a lawyer perform the job of an electrician, and a programmer – that of a soldier?
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What is right? A person who can't change a light bulb is an "Untermensch," worthless. Because you don't need to be a specialist for that. It's not nuclear physics.
Oh, come on, you won't have to perform the duties of a real soldier, no one will make you fly a plane; at best, they'll teach you to drive a truck. And yes, at 18, people usually don't have a profession yet.
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You won't have to perform the duties of a real soldier.
Then what's the point of the army if I never learn how to fight?
What's right? A person who can't change a light bulb is an "Untermensch," biological waste. Because you don't need to be a specialist for that. It's not nuclear physics.
Okay, the light bulb thing, I get, but the rest...
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Okay. Paid specialists, just like in developed countries. By the way, in Australia, you can only change a light bulb in the presence of a qualified electrician.
Abroad, people often suffer from senility. Not so long ago, in the UK, a person was deprived of their driver's license for driving a children's (!) electric car on their lawn, because they didn't have a license. Or, very recently, in the same UK, residents were banned from installing iron, sharp grilles on windows, explaining that potential burglars might get injured (!). So, there's no need to cite the West as an example, as it's mired in senility in terms of correctness and tolerance. It's good that things haven't reached such idiocy here.
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And in general, normal people don't serve; they dodge the draft. That's why the army is full of stupid, uncultured people. If a normal person is unlucky enough to end up in this zoo, why shouldn't they treat these subhumans properly?
Because of this "stupid, uncultured" group that went to war in 1941, you now have the opportunity to sit on the internet and enjoy life. The army is not needed to teach people how to peel potatoes and sweep the parade ground, but to ensure that a potential defender of the country, in the event of war, can at least reload a rifle, not just in CS. It's another matter that the state of our army leaves much to be desired, but there's no other option. I hope that there aren't too many "mommy's boys" who would sell their country just to avoid serving in the army.
Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

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Abroad, people often suffer from senility. Not long ago, in the UK, a person was deprived of their driver's license for driving a children's (!) electric car on their lawn, because they didn't have a license. Or, very recently, in the same UK, residents were banned from installing iron, sharp fences on their windows, explaining that potential burglars might get injured (!). So, don't bring up the West as an example, which is mired in senility in terms of correctness and tolerance. It's good that we haven't reached such idiocy yet.
1) Correct, it could have hurt someone.
2) They have a good police force, so a fence with spikes is not needed. And burglars should be punished by the court, not by vigilante justice with fences with spikes.
3) It's better to have such idiocy than our idiocy.
Because of this "stupid rabble" that went to war in 1941, you now have the opportunity to sit on the internet and enjoy life. The army is not needed to teach people how to peel potatoes and sweep the parade ground, but to ensure that a potential defender of the country, in the event of a war, can at least reload a rifle, not just in CS. It's another matter that the state of our army leaves much to be desired, but there is no other option. I hope that there are not many "mommy's boys" who will sell their country just to avoid serving in the army.
Back then, there were defenders, yes. Back then, there was a different army.
But now it's not the 20th century. THERE WILL BE NO WAR!
Rebellions like in Egypt are possible, but there will be NO WAR! There is no one to fight, there are much more useful things to do. Unless aliens attack...
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Okay. Paid specialists, just like in developed countries.
What else can you say? Why do you need paid specialists when there are free soldiers? Especially since they are so eager to serve, living in a trailer far from the unit and drills. Unless this is subtle sarcasm, of course.
The country needs intelligence, not strength. One genius, or simply a person who is not lacking in intelligence, is worth thousands of ignorant, hateful people. Therefore, there is no reason to despise "normal" people, in your distorted understanding of "nerds."
Geniuses live in cardboard boxes at the train station and shoot for spare change in the underpasses to buy port wine.
And there is certainly no shortage of "intelligence" in the country, when six out of ten people work as managers. On the contrary, it would be better to put the ignorant people to work in production, and everyone would be better off.
If a normal person is unlucky and ends up in this zoo, why shouldn't he treat these subhumans accordingly?
In fact, I don't see any obstacles to treating them properly. Washing a comrade's underwear and socks, quietly and under his breath, making fun of the ignorant when no one is listening – to each his own.
This word does not exist in the official Russian language; it is some kind of ignorant slang. Word does not approve. So, please, use Russian.
Word disapproves of many things and doesn't know many things; it's strange that you rely on it so much.
Do you want to say that I am a troll, a nerd, not like everyone else, or something else – just say it.
I am not a troll; how many times do I have to tell you? I don't have the goal of provoking you into something.
As you say. But if you're not a troll, then you're just a small, stupid boy with imposed ideas.
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> don't bring up as an example a West that has sunk into madness in terms of correctness and tolerance
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But it’s not the 20th century anymore. THERE WILL BE NO WAR!
There will be no war only if we have a capable army. And what century it is now doesn’t matter. They thought roughly the same thing after the end of World War I, that there would never be another war. “Very good” measures were taken to prevent a new war. The “League of Nations” (an analogue of the UN) was created. And what did it all lead to? About thirty years later, World War II began.

An independent state can only exist if it has its own capable army. If there is no army, the state will not be able to pursue an independent policy. It can be easily pressured. If the leaders of the country do not feel the strength behind them, it will be extremely difficult for them to pursue an independent policy, especially when their interests conflict with the interests of countries that have a capable army.
Besides, such a country will be easy to seize under some fabricated pretext. I advise you to study the pretext under which they attacked Iraq. Then much will become clear about whether war is possible or not. And if Iraq had a normal army, the Americans would not have dared to attack.

I will quote Napoleon again: “A people that does not want to feed its army will feed a foreign army.”
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But if NATO attacks you, you’ll know!
I’ll surrender and ask to be re-educated as an American.
Well, if you want to surrender at the first sign of danger, and beg for mercy from the victors, then you really have no place in the army.
But don’t call those who are ready to defend their freedom and independence in case of danger with bad words (like “rednecks,” etc.). It just looks bad.


3) It’s better to have this kind of idiocy than our idiocy.
If it really is idiocy, then why strive to emulate it by adopting their experience? Maybe it’s better to try to do something normal?
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So, Mr. Nick, what do you plan to do when you grow up and reach a level of maturity? And what do you know that others don't? Have you discovered the truth about things, are you all-knowing? Or do you think that you alone are a unique individual, while everyone else is just an NPC who cannot break free from the script? And are you aware of the consequences of the "reforms" you propose?
Хороший сон укрепляет боевой дух. Хорошая еда укрепляет боевой дух. Хорошие деньги укрепляют боевой дух. А больше всего укрепляет боевой дух - отсутствие врага.
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1) That's right, he could have hurt someone.
2) They have good police, so a fence with spikes isn't necessary. And thieves should be punished by the court, not by vigilante justice with fences and spikes.
3) This kind of idiocy is better than our idiocy.
1) On an electric car with a maximum speed of 5 km/h?
2) The police have nothing to do with it; criminals exist everywhere, and what does vigilante justice have to do with it? A person has the right to protect their property in any way they can, and the fact that the thief cut himself on the iron frame is just his problem.
Idiotism (colloquial: idiocy) (from Ancient Greek: ἰδιωτεία (idioteia) — "ignorance") is the deepest degree of mental retardation.
Thanks, Wikipedia. I don't think that's better.
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Back then, there were defenders, yes. Back then, there was a different army.
But now it's not the 20th century. THERE WILL BE NO WAR!
What defenders and army? Peasants who were suddenly dragged into the war, and the army was just as it is now, with problems with supplies, weapons, and hazing (and when wasn't there hazing?). Now everything is approximately the same; if anything happens, even the last Euroset manager will be dragged into the war. And as mentioned above, war can happen at any time, especially since in the 21st century, the consumption of resources is constantly increasing, and they are not infinite. Therefore, future wars may well be over resources that Russia has in abundance, and consequently, there is something to defend.
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Australia is a former English colony, just like the USA; I don't think they are fundamentally different. As the light bulb case shows, they don't differ at all.
Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

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Australia was a former English colony, just like the USA; I don't think they differ in any fundamental way. As the light bulb incident shows, they don't differ at all.
But this is the SOUTHEAST!
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What else can you say? Why do you need paid specialists when there are free soldiers? Especially since they are so eager to serve, living in a temporary dwelling far from the unit and drills. Unless, of course, this is subtle sarcasm.
Eager to serve? Of course, there are patriots, but they make up a tiny percentage of the population. Others, as far as possible, try to avoid it. The rest are just stupid people, dumb monkeys with a human appearance. Oh yes, it's profitable, after all, they don't want to spend money. But if they weren't lazy and came up with something like that before Japan, it wouldn't be a problem, and it wouldn't cost anything. But it would be more humane, more democratic, more effective, and generally better.
Geniuses live in cardboard boxes at the train station and shoot at coins in the underpasses for port wine.
Geniuses earn millions in advanced countries of the world.
And there is certainly enough "intelligence" in the country, when six out of ten work as managers. On the contrary, it would be better to drive the rabble to production, and everyone would be better off.
What does "drive" mean? A person works wherever they want and are capable, not where the government tells them to.
Again, if someone came up with a profitable, automated system that would perform the functions of this "production." Automate factories and plants.
In fact, I see no obstacles to proper treatment. Washing a comrade's underwear and footcloths, quietly mocking the rabble through gritted teeth when no one is listening - to each his own.
What the hell are you talking about with underwear and footcloths?
Proper treatment is to despise these morons, look at them like garbage, and make them understand that they are stupid nobodies, and you are the only genius. Other methods don't work with stupid animals.
As you say. But if you're not a troll, then you're just a little stupid boy with imposed ideas.
Are you suffering from pedophobia? I have my own opinion, independent of others, not imposed by anyone. Stupid? That's something to look at in someone with an inflated ego.
And don't judge everyone by yourself, not everyone is a stupid idiot at 14.
An independent state can only exist if it has its own combat-ready army.
Sure, have your combat-ready army, who knows who it's needed for, and on which expenses can be saved and transferred to other areas...
But why force everyone into it? Why should I spend a year of my life meaninglessly in terribly uncomfortable conditions, with high physical exertion, from which I will faint in the first 5 minutes, with moral pressure and communication with this stupid rabble, from which I will get infected and become the same, or even worse?
I'm not against defending my country, but only if there is someone to defend it from, if it is reasonable, and if there are conditions that support it.
If it's still idiocy, then why strive for it by adopting their experience? Maybe it's better to try to do something normal?
Take the best, leave the worst. Do your own thing - yes, please, but who knows what will come of it.
Just don't call those who are ready to defend their freedom and independence in case of danger with bad words (rabble, etc.). It just doesn't look good.
There are patriots, there are pseudo-patriots, and there is stupid rabble. I respect the former, I hate the latter, and I despise the third.
Patriotism should not be forced.
Then, Mr. Nick, what are you planning to do when you grow up and reach a conscious life?
I will study to be a programmer, if conditions allow, I will try to get out of the country. Fortunately, I have connections. Although, most likely, it won't work...
And what do you know that others don't? Has the truth been revealed to you, are you all-knowing? Or do you think that you alone are a Person, and the rest are NPCs who are not capable of going beyond the script?
Not at all. I'm just like the other 5% of adequate people, I came here to talk about interesting topics.
A person has the right to defend his property by all means, and the fact that the robber cut himself on the iron frame is just his problem.
But what if the villain got impaled on that fence? That's not humane.
The peasants who were suddenly dragged into the war, and the army was the same as it is now, with problems with supplies, weapons, hazing (and when wasn't there?).
There was a reason to keep the army, because there was an enemy.
hazing (and when wasn't there?)
I think there wasn't any during the war. People wanted to defend their country, not to satisfy their ego.
Now everything is about the same, if anything happens, even the last Euroset manager will be dragged into the war.
That's not humane. I want to live in a humane and democratic country.
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You can't have it all! :smile20:
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If I can get the education to become a programmer, and the circumstances allow, I’ll try to move abroad.
All of Russia’s current problems stem from the fact that everyone primarily thinks about themselves, and sometimes about their family, but that’s not enough. These 6/10 managers that Morning was talking about. Why so many are needed?! A manager, in Russian, is a person in charge. But what’s the point of having so many people in charge if there’s nothing to manage?! The result: production falls, the country weakens. But the managers have secured comfortable positions for themselves. The officials are no better. There are probably 2/10 of them. The point of having so many is also unclear, but they have money. And as soon as the opportunity to leave the country arises, people will seize it.

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And the West, directly or indirectly (more likely indirectly), became the cause of this selfishness. Simply because people wanted to live like them. After the hardships of the Soviet system, people got hooked on money like a drug and can’t stop.
 

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Who filled you with such a massive dose of this humanism?
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Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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