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Offline Captain
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It's been quiet lately... I'm interested in the results and what will happen next.
Everyone is waiting for the results of our match with Hardcore. We played together one evening until late at night and completed all the quests. We've only been playing for about 2 weeks. We've now agreed to continue. I'm waiting.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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Everyone is waiting for the results of our game with Hardcore. We played together one evening until late at night – we completed all the quests and played for about 2 weeks. Now we've agreed to continue. I'm waiting.

Ah, now it's clear. I thought everyone was waiting for the results of FB 2... although it says that everything should have ended on the 13th...
Удача любит подготовленных!!!





Стримы и обучение тут:
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Pasha wrote there that the deadlines have been extended, and we have the last batch, which could ultimately change everything.
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
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The Arbitration Committee's decision regarding player Looser:
It is recommended that the organizers of the current tournaments in which he participated consider disqualifying player Looser from the tournament and awarding technical victories to his opponents.
I will write to the Creator about awarding the season winner, and I will also write to Looser about the World Championship.

That is, in our tournament, we will record the following results:

Round 1
Hardcore+ def Looser - technical win

Round 2
Avern def Looser - technical win (Avern withdrew, but the result may affect the Buchholz coefficient)

Round 3
SpiriTT def Looser - technical win

Round 4
Volland def Looser

Round 5
Dubrovin Pavel def Looser - technical win

Dirty_Player, please recalculate everything.

FB-3 will start in early August.
Regarding the roster:
- 5 best players from FB-2
- 3 qualifying spots from OFB-3
- 2 qualifying spots from 2010

Thus, from 2010, the finalist FireToSky and the 3rd-place finisher OUTLAW will advance to FB-3.
Clearly, Gomunguls with 6 points will advance from OFB-3, and two more (FireToSky with 5 points advanced from 2010).
So, we are waiting for the result of Hardcore+ vs Captain.
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In my opinion, the decision regarding those technical forfeits is utter nonsense. Not so long ago, during the "Aeroflot 2010" chess tournament, which also used the Swiss system, a well-known player was disqualified because he had allegedly deliberately lowered his rating before the tournament to participate in a weaker competition and win a decent cash prize (which, if you think about it, is a kind of cheating). The player was 5-0 when he was finally disqualified, but for some reason, no one even considered awarding technical forfeits to all his opponents; otherwise, what's the point of the Swiss system? If a player loses a game, whether in chess or in Heroes, they are given an opponent with the SAME number of points in the next round, not someone with more. So, if you lose one game, you play against someone who also lost one. Receiving an unexpected point or a higher ranking after the tournament is complete is absurd. In that case, it would be logical to assume that the entire tournament should be replayed because the loser's pairings are invalid. Personally, I don't care much, as I don't participate in these events anyway, but this could create a VERY BAD PRECEDENT and play a decisive role in determining the qualifying places! :smile01:
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Naturally, in this situation, any decision will affect the outcome. We can impose penalties, declare losses, annul all matches, or leave everything as it is. Any decision I make will seem absurd to someone among the hundreds of players on the forum. Naturally, we don't know how Loser's cheating affected the results of the matches. I made this decision because I believe it is the fairest, although far from ideal. I carefully reviewed all the reports. I believe that this decision will least affect the objectivity of the results. Naturally, the best solution would be to replay the entire tournament. This is impossible.
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I would simply leave the results unchanged, or even better, ask those players who played against him and lost points if they agree to accept these technical defeats. Otherwise, it turns out to be like "I lost to him only because he was cheating, otherwise I would have beaten him easily":D. Although, of course, it's up to the organizers... If you want to assign technical defeats, go ahead, but it's a pity for those players who, through their own efforts and without any technical assistance, could have made it into the top three, but now it's like "YOU PLAYED AGAINST A LOSER? - GET A TECHNICAL WIN":D. It simply creates a precedent; such cases have happened, are happening, and will happen, and the decision that will be made is very important for the future. Perhaps it would be worth including a separate point in the tournament regulations to address this.
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This is a reasonable solution; when a problem arises, it needs to be addressed with minimal losses. I believe this solution is optimal. However, we need to consider other possible options, see their drawbacks and consequences, and not just focus on the shortcomings of the chosen solution.
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Is this a normal decision? In what sport, even after a team or player is disqualified, are their opponents awarded victories? Let's say, before the final of a boxing world championship, one of the finalists is caught doping and disqualified. What happens then? Does everyone he boxed against, starting, for example, from the 1/32 final, get awarded a victory? Then who will fight in the final? The other finalist and everyone else in turn, or how? Will there be 8 world champions? They didn't lose to anyone except him, right?
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I fully support the Evil Romantic's position. Awarding technical victories in this case is incorrect. Why? Here's a simple example:
In the first round, a player loses to a cheater.
In the second round, this player plays against someone who also lost their game. Let's say they win.
Then the cheater is removed, and their losses are recorded. What happens?
The player suddenly has 2 wins out of 2 for free :eek:. This means we get a complete distortion of the tournament bracket.

I'm not even mentioning that cheating in this tournament still needs to be proven! Maybe they played fairly. How do we know!

I believe that the best solution would be to leave everything as it is! Just like we leave the results of wowa, Redwhait, and others.
One well-known player was removed because, allegedly, they deliberately lowered their rating before the tournament to participate in a weaker tournament and win a decent cash prize.
We had a similar case in Novosibirsk. They dropped from 2400 to 2000 and went to Aeroflot. In the end, they didn't win any prizes :D
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No, that guy knew what he was doing. He went from 2400+ to 2199, and in the end, he won 5 out of 5 matches. If it weren't for the judges, he would have won 100%. Although, by the way, the case regarding this is in court, and it seems like he's winning, so it's not just in Heroes of Might and Magic that it's difficult to prove cheating :D
P.S. And "Evil Romantic" sounds cool:D
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No, that guy knew what he was doing. He went from 2400+ to 2199, and in the end, he won 5 out of 5 games. If it weren't for the judges, he would have won 100%. Although, by the way, the case is in court, and it seems he's winning, so it's not just in Heroes that it's hard to prove cheating:D
P.S. And "Evil Romantic" sounds cool:D
I, for example, don't consider this cheating. He played fairly; he moved the pieces, not a bot. Where's the cheating? This isn't cheating; it's a loophole in the rules.
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I agree. There should be NO loopholes in the rules, and in this case, if you allow tech upgrades, it won't be a loophole anymore, but a HUGE loophole:D
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evil_romantic
No, that guy knew what he was doing. He went from 2400+ to 2199, and in the end, he won 5 out of 5 matches. If it weren't for the judges, he would have won 100%. Although, by the way, the case regarding this is in court, and it seems he's winning, so it's not just in Heroes that it's difficult to prove cheating :D
P.S. And "Evil Romantic" sounds cool:D

Even 2500 doesn't guarantee a top-three finish in a group of players with a rating of up to 2200 (based on personal experience - I won a prize at the Moscow Open myself).

However, there is a foolproof strategy: the most enterprising players sell their rating for money ;)
Весна 2014
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Offline Oelm
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I suggested giving Hardcore players the option to play against a bot; it’s better than automatically assigning them to a technical win (although that’s also acceptable).
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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