Nominations and withdrawals in the Arbitration Committee. — Tournament History

Wicc

5/31/2010 3:39 PM UTC

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Oelm

Also, some thoughts regarding the work of the AC, or the judging committee: if a player N suspects player X, then to consider such a claim, player N prepares a complete analysis of player X's game based on the save files, writes down what he considers controversial, what is suspicious, and what is logical. Only after that does he have the right to submit this proposal. There should not be something like: "hey, take a look at player X's save files, is there anything there?"

This is a given. I was even surprised by Pete's words about 3-4 hours a day. Normally, it should be a maximum of 3-4 hours a week. Apparently, he just enjoyed communicating.

In general, a judge should be moderately lazy, otherwise people will take advantage of him. People have the useful property that if they can't get something for free, they start looking for ways to do something themselves. A large percentage of disputes that reach various instances are ultimately resolved by the participants themselves before the instances react (if they don't react quickly).

This is a normal practice in legal proceedings...

Nagan-4

5/31/2010 4:30 PM UTC

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I wrote a huge text. Then I thought about it and deleted it; there's no need to complicate things. Just one sentence. Choose from the following for the AK: Mizrael, Skorpa, Pita, Dubrovin Pavel, LeBron, Dirty, Javdet, Dekomintator, Ta ko..., Loa, and from the more recent ones – Cash... Choose from them, and we'll be happy. 7 people, 5 or 11 – it doesn't matter. The AK's authority has temporarily decreased. And here's something else I left. It's wrong to think that the AK appeared after Pita's post, about a year ago. No, the management structure of the forum, which was later called the AK, was formed much earlier, when the online forum was just being created, around 2007. I joined in January 2008, and (let's call this structure the AK for now) it already existed. At that time, it consisted of Adelaide, Tanya, VBN, Alex R, Invisible, Evgeny, and Reper. It was a very friendly and good group that gladly welcomed good people and... put bad people in their place when necessary.

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Wlk777

5/31/2010 4:43 PM UTC

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Nagan-4

The reputation of AK has temporarily declined.

It may have declined among a small group of people who strongly sympathize with a certain individual, but among the majority of players, respect and trust for AK as a whole, and for each of its members in particular, has remained consistently high, if not increased, due to the decision regarding ATG. It's just that these few sympathetic individuals are very active and write the same thing 20 times, creating a false impression of their correctness and unnecessary hysteria.

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

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Wicc

5/31/2010 5:02 PM UTC

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Wlk777

among several who strongly sympathize with the well-known comrade

If it were about the sympathy of the ATG, it would occasionally slip through here and there. Something like Querty and Navukh regularly grumbling about "unbanning Vitalik." However, it doesn't. The problem is that it's not about the ATG (which is insignificant to them), and not even about the verdict itself (even the defenders have differing opinions), but about the approach to their work that the AK demonstrated. That is, the body that is supposed to resolve conflicts by restoring justice and conveying this fact to the masses, instead, threw fuel on the fire and then philosophically contemplated the agitated anthill instead of trying to fix the situation. Yes, maybe it wasn't done maliciously, but out of ignorance. But that doesn't change the fact. Voluntary recusal is the right decision here, which is what we are seeing. It's like in football - if a fight breaks out on the field, the referee is to blame, regardless of how right or wrong his decisions were.

Catch

5/31/2010 5:13 PM UTC

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One judge somehow didn't quite fit in... I suggested in the rules thread to reduce the number of judges to three (at most five). Regarding the candidates: Wicс is definitely a good choice. I'd also like to see Dirty Player there, but Kostya withdrew his candidacy. Nagan-4 won't work either. I'm thinking, maybe we should suggest Navukha for the position? :) As a counter to Vik? :) Seriously, Peterius is a good candidate.

Школа начального мастерства по Вторым Героям.

http://offtop.ru/heroes2school/

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Wlk777

5/31/2010 5:13 PM UTC

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Wicc

If it were about the ATGs empathy, it would slip through here and there. Something like Querty and Navukh regularly grumbling about "unbanning Vitalik." However, it doesn't.

Some people couldn't calm down for a long time; we won't point fingers.

Wicc

The problem is that it's not about the ATG (which is essentially this FB).

It is about the ATG; he got very upset after this decision and practically left the HW. After that, with the efforts of several sympathetic people, discussions began about the decline of the AK's authority.

Wicc

. That is, an organization that is supposed to resolve conflicts by restoring justice and conveying this fact to the masses, instead, threw fuel on the fire and then philosophically contemplated the agitated anthill instead of trying to fix the situation.

A judge's decision on a football field, for example, does not always evoke an unambiguous reaction, but he is not obliged to stoop to squabbles with every dissenter (which, I repeat for the umpteenth time, are few compared to the rest).

Wicc

Yes, maybe it wasn't out of malice, but out of ignorance. But that doesn't change the fact. Voluntary recusal is the right decision here, which is what we are seeing.

I think it wasn't out of malice, but after a long and careful consideration of the facts. Recusal, as was clearly written, is due to a lack of time, and there is no need to invent other motives out of thin air.

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

Hermit

5/31/2010 5:17 PM UTC

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AK should be and will be...

Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!

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Wicc

5/31/2010 5:22 PM UTC

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Catch

Regarding the candidates. Definitely Wicс.

Nah, I'm recusing myself anyway. My reputation isn't right for it.

IMO, the only person in all of HeroesWorld who is currently truly suitable for the position of AC chairman or even a judge is Kash. Even though we often argue, it's clear that he thinks constructively and knows how to present his point of view. That's why even when he deletes my posts unjustly (as it seems to me), it doesn't lead to a surge of aggression.

The rest is less important, let him pick his own team, there are plenty of good candidates, they've already been listed here. Just let him first step down from his moderator powers :).

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Oelm

5/31/2010 5:26 PM UTC

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Based on my suggestion, one judge is selected to choose a team according to their own vision. They can choose individuals who are easily influenced by their authority, as well as those with independent views. It's up to them. After that, there will be a general vote to select the Head of the Judging Panel.

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

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Catch

5/31/2010 5:59 PM UTC

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Wicc

IMO, only one person is really suitable for the position of the AC chairman or even a judge of the entire HeroesWorld right now - Kash.

Yes, by the way, I somehow overlooked him. A worthy candidate.

Школа начального мастерства по Вторым Героям.

http://offtop.ru/heroes2school/

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Wlk777

5/31/2010 6:05 PM UTC

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Catch

Yes, by the way, I somehow missed that. A worthy candidate.

Cash isn't Cash, but the idea of having the head of the Academy choose a list of candidates for voting is, in my opinion, quite sound.

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

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Дубровин Павел

5/31/2010 6:14 PM UTC

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Captain

Doesn't seem like there are any self-nominated candidates? And it's unlikely there will be any.

Staff rotation is inevitable.
There are no irreplaceable people; someone said that once, and I agree with that statement.
For now, Vold has chosen to support the Academy; it will continue, even if with a different roster.

I nominate myself for the Academy.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

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Дубровин Павел

5/31/2010 6:30 PM UTC

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Oelm

4. My proposal is to disband the AK. Elect a Chief Judge of HeroesWorld by vote,
who will be entrusted with resolving contentious issues and the right to award the CHC. This person selects 2, or more if they wish, assistants. And this team together resolves all kinds of problems that arise. I believe it is essential that opinions are considered equally. That is, the CJ would not have a deciding vote, nor the ability to pressure their assistants.

I think we need to decide between two options, either the AK or a Chief Judge.
The question could be put to a vote (whoever wishes — please do).

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

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Wlk777

5/31/2010 6:32 PM UTC

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Dubrovin Pavel

Personnel rotation is inevitable.
There are no irreplaceable people; someone said that once, and I agree.
As long as Vold has chosen to support AK, it will continue, even if with a different roster.

I am nominating myself for AK.

I suggest that the respected Pavel propose his own list of worthy candidates to participate in AK, in his opinion. I think it will be interesting for everyone.

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

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Дубровин Павел

5/31/2010 6:34 PM UTC

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Wlk777

I suggest that Pavel, a respected member, propose his own list of worthy candidates for participation in the Tournament Committee, in his opinion. I think it would be interesting for everyone.

No, Valentin, I am in favor of the Tournament Committee being elected by the Players, not by someone else.
I will name the candidates for the Tournament Committee, but within the framework of a general vote.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.