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To avoid cluttering someone else's thread, I'm moving the discussion here.
Is this just a collection of slogans? 1) Can you provide a link? 2) Who said that 3D ruined the game? Was it really the 3D aspect? 3) It's not clear what you mean about mods at all. What does "more expensive for yourself" mean? Well, yes, creating a mod for a 3D game is probably more difficult. So what? Should we give up on 3D games? 4) The point about popularization isn't clear either. 5) But the part about computers makes sense))). If you want, you can find an "286" with a clock speed of 100 MHz, which also won't run "Heroes 3" (I started with, as far as I remember, 200 MHz, and "Heroes 3" ran on it, but VERY slowly). 6) I have no idea why this happened. Perhaps the problem lies within yourself. Or maybe in the environment. Personally, I am struggling to determine the cause.
1)http://forum.df2.ru/index.php?showtopic=9205 2) Those who played Heroes 3 3) Read Professor's statements and understand why the HotA beta release was postponed 4) What's not clear here? It's just ordinary propaganda and advertising. There's nothing interesting happening with Heroes 3 lately, so they don't show it on the news. 5) I know that many people play Heroes 1 and 2 for this reason because not everyone in Russia is a millionaire. 6) Of course, I'm to blame for the fact that what matters most to me is the gameplay process, not how it looks. Although Heroes 3 has very beautiful graphics, which is its advantage over part 2. 7) Technically, it's impossible to remake Heroes 3 using a 3D engine; you would have to completely redo it, but why bother? Heroes 5 exists; what prevents us from making mods for them?
8) An example of foreign graphics in Heroes /topic/at/287222/ It looks good, but it's still not 3D, although it already resembles Heroes 4. 9) If you want to help, contribute with graphics. 10) In Bastion, all graphic developments are available in 3D, but due to point 7, we will be playing the same 2D game
Wlk777
16 years ago
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No ugly 3D graphics in the style of Heroes of Might and Magic V!
AlexSpl
16 years ago
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Isn't the fifth installment essentially a 3D version of the third? :)
you are who you are, not your parents... (c)
LotR
16 years ago
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Let's chat here!!11 Three-dimensionality isn't needed for the third game.
Андрей
16 years ago
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fireman
In order not to clutter someone else's topic, I am moving the discussion here.
1)http://forum.df2.ru/index.php?showtopic=9205 2) Those who played Heroes 3 3) Read the Professor's statements and understand why the release of HotA beta was postponed 4) What is unclear here? It's just ordinary propaganda and advertising. There are no news reports about Heroes 3 because nothing interesting has happened for a long time. 5) I know that many people play Heroes 1 and 2; this is because not everyone in Russia is a millionaire. 6) Of course, it's my fault that what matters most to me is the gameplay process, not how it looks. Although Heroes 3 has very beautiful graphics, which is its advantage over part 2. 7) Technically, it is impossible to remake Heroes 3 on a 3D engine unless you completely redo it, but why would you?
8) Example of foreign graphics in Heroes /topic/at/287222/ It looks good, but it's still not 3D, although it already resembles Heroes 4. 9) If you want to help, contribute with graphics. 10) In Bastion, all graphic developments are available in 3D, but due to point 7, we will be playing the same 2D game
1) I read it. So? Yes, the work deserves respect (which I have said more than once). But where is the answer to the question of why they don't make it in 3D? Is it because they want to preserve the graphics close to those of "Heroes 3"? That is, could they create a three-dimensional add-on? 2) What do those who played "Heroes 5" say? 3) I read everything I found from your link, but I didn't understand why it was postponed. 4) This is understandable. The other thing is unclear. Do you think that if "Heroes 3" (3.59) were advertised as much as "Heroes 5" at one time, would "Heroes 5" withstand the competition? 5) Poor people don't play at all. But computers are becoming very cheap quickly, and now a computer on which you can play "Heroes 5" costs very little. Why discuss this again and again? 6) I am also interested in the gameplay process (perhaps even when this long-awaited add-on finally comes out, I will forget about the three-dimensional "Heroes 5" after playing it – it will be so interesting), but graphics are also important. I never got more pleasure from a game than when I played 3.58. And if all this were also in 3D, then I probably would have completely forgotten about the existence of the real world. Perhaps we can say that "Heroes 5" is a three-dimensional "Heroes 3," but definitely not a three-dimensional WOG. 7) I haven't seen any decent mods for "Heroes 5" yet that would make "Heroes 5" comparable to 3.58 (in terms of gameplay). Maybe they will appear later, but for now... Or maybe I just didn't search well enough for these mods. 8) It looks good. Will the add-on really look like this? I would like to see what they have done. 9) I can't do it yet. I need another year to reach a decent level of modeling. For now, I'm just learning. I already know some things, but there is still much to learn. 10) No comment needed here. In general, I don't see the point of this argument. There is no prospect for me in it because, regardless of what conclusion we come to (we may or may not come to one), "Heroes 3.59" will not become three-dimensional.
Zybr
16 years ago
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No, "Heroes" is a game that doesn't really need major graphical innovations, especially 3D. It all distracts from the gameplay, increases the computer's resource usage, and generally... "Heroes 5" doesn't look like a serious game. Yes, it's beautiful, it has many good ideas, but it just doesn't draw you in. As for "WOG" (War of the Gods), it's already an overstuffed game with everything imaginable, making it sometimes impossible to play. It's also beautiful, even interesting at first, but then it's only good for playing with a beer and good company. And if you add 3D to this "WOG"... I've already given an example with food... mix together ingredients that taste good separately but don't go well together, and you get "WOG," and if you mix a lot of different things, you get "WOG" in 3D. The third installment needs a clearer balance, a less buggy generator, simultaneous turns instead of a bunch of abilities for one unit, a bunch of new (or rather, repainted old) monsters, and so on.
No, Heroes is not a game that particularly needs graphical innovations, especially 3D. It all distracts from the gameplay, increases the computer's resource requirements, and generally... the fifth installment doesn't look like a serious game. Yes, it's beautiful, it has many good ideas, but somehow it doesn't draw you in. As for WOG, it's already an overstuffed game with everything imaginable, to the point where it's sometimes simply impossible to play. It's also beautiful, and even interesting the first time around, but after that, it's only good for playing with a beer and good company. And if you add 3D to this WOG... I've already given an example with food... mix together ingredients that are tasty on their own but don't go well together, and you get WOG. And if you mix in a lot of different things, you get WOG in 3D. The third installment needs a clearer balance, a less buggy generator, simultaneous turns instead of a bunch of abilities for one unit, a bunch of new (or rather, repainted old) monsters, and so on.
It's all just my opinion.
And I, of course, disagree with everything (or almost everything) you said. But a debate that has no prospect of being realized is just demagoguery. We need to stop this. You don't like the graphics in the fifth installment only because it's "cartoonish" (I think). If it were made a little darker (and if the game were generally improved), there would be no debate about whether 3D is needed or not. It didn't work out this time. But it will work out in the sixth installment. Or in the seventh... It will work out.
fireman
16 years ago
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Andrey - 1)If you reread the entire subforum, you can find at least 100 statements from Docent that the main work in HotA is graphics and that polishing them specifically takes up the largest portion of time 2)The first impression of 5 is good, but when you spend a minute rotating the camera just to pass an object, it starts to get annoying 3)see point 1 4)Why not? Many don't believe me that level 8s exist in WoG, yet once I start playing, I can't tear myself away 5)For the poor, a cheap computer will be enough just to get started. 6)Why spend years on 3D when there aren't even that many 2D assets developed 7)This is already due to the popularity of 5. For Heroes 3, people are still making gorgeous mods and patches. But if you want 3D, then it's exactly the 5th one you should tinker with 8)Download it - it's already a released work. 9)Study, and maybe you will be the one to move Heroes to a 3D level If you want 3.59 with 3D, then what does HotA have to do with that? I think you are confusing projects.
Zybr - In WoG, you can always remove an unnecessary ingredient. If I only like fried eggs with salt (commanders and level 8), then I'll choose only that, but if I want to throw some sausages (unit levels) in there too, that's my business.
You only dislike the graphics in "five" because they are "cartoony"
The graphics are fine, but inconvenient. I haven't found any advantages to these graphics, nor any distinctions favoring 5 compared to 3. However, disk space + lag are significant factors. I heard that add-ons for Heroes 5 have good changes, but almost all of this can be implemented on the old engine of 3 and played with high-quality 2D graphics.
PS: I didn't start the argument, but since it's obvious the dispute is going on without knowledge of the matter, I am presenting the main reasons why 3D is impossible in 3 1)Technically impossible 2)Takes longer to develop the project 3)There are a mass of 3D games that you can use as a basis to create whatever your heart desires
Zybr
16 years ago
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In Heroes, you can always remove an unnecessary ingredient. If I only like scrambled eggs with salt (commanders and level 8 units), then I'll only choose that, but if I want to add some sausages (unit levels) to it, that's up to me.
The point is that, if desired, you can remove or add any feature you like from any part of the game. But if so much work has already been done, then they should still be compatible and playable when all of them are enabled. In Heroes, however, something unreal and completely uncontrollable happens.
fireman
16 years ago
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Quite the opposite. Haven has a lot of features, and initially, all options are disabled. It's simply designed to allow players to customize the game to their liking. That's why Haven has a system of options. Again, a comparison: Haven is like a refrigerator full of ingredients; by combining them, you create your own dish.
Андрей
16 years ago
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Cool))). You say that the argument is happening without knowledge of the subject, but you yourself have only "heard that there are good changes in the add-ons for 'Heroes 5'". Really, why 3D graphics?! Let's play "Tanks" instead. Why electricity? Candles are more environmentally friendly. What are cars for? There are bicycles! This conversation is not leading anywhere. I stand by my opinion. And I don't see the point in arguing about nothing. In general, because of one post with the assumption "oh... if it were, it would be even better," some strange debate started.
Andrey - the main work in HotA is graphics, and specifically that polishing them takes up the majority of the time
Dammit, is it really still not clear that in strategies, and especially in Heroes, graphics are far from the most important thing; at least those players for whom graphics come first are, as far as I can imagine, not true lovers of this wonderful game (specifically, they play little and their gaming skill is very low). IMHO=\
fireman
16 years ago
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Andrey, did I say that you can't make a good WoG in the 5th game? I think I'm actually suggesting that if you want 3D, you should look for mods for the 5th game. And you need knowledge specifically about the 3rd game to understand why no one will make a 3D version of it.
Your rhetorical questions are silly because even dancing games aren't bad, but if they're made in 3D, you often feel like throwing up. But creating something new in 3D doesn't hinder anything.
The debate isn't strange; I'm just trying to explain, as someone more knowledgeable about the 3rd game, the impossibility and lack of need for 3D in 3.59.
Also, I think you're confusing WoG and HotA.
Wlk777 - To each their own. The main thing for me is that it doesn't hurt my eyes. But the Professor wants everything to be perfect, even in beta.
The most interesting thing is that the graphics in the 3rd game created such an atmosphere that I often just stared at the screen. I can't say the same about the 4th and 5th games. In the 4th game, everything is clear. In the 5th game, it's not as realistic anymore.
Андрей
16 years ago
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fireman, you are likely (perhaps even certainly) more knowledgeable about "three" (it's not for nothing that you created your own site), but I simply cannot understand the "unnecessity" of 3D graphics in 3.59 (I understand the impossibility). I tried to understand, but I didn't (I'm probably very stupid). I haven't seen any 3D "tanks". Do they exist? I don't distinguish between VOG and HotA. I know they are made by different teams, but I call both of them VOG in the old-fashioned way.
AlexSpl
16 years ago
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The most interesting thing is that the graphics in 3 used to create such an atmosphere that I would often just stare at the screen.
You forgot about the music :) It's called a state of trance...
VOG suffers not only from an excess of options. One of the main drawbacks is the graphics. Almost all VOG units are made on the principle: tear a leg off one and sew it to the head of another. HotA doesn't have this, and it is wonderful!
