Posts from Fantasy vs. Science Fiction

Who is right? Fantasy or Sci-Fi?
"Definitely" it's fantasy, and Sci-Fi is only good for general knowledge... to read.

Yes or no?:)

I like both, but I still voted for fantasy.

Fantasy:smile54! Because I don't like science fiction, and because I love fantasy:p)).

"The Hobbit" – I read it about 5 years ago. I liked it, but I can't say much more. I've also read all the Harry Potter books. But if I had to choose between reading science fiction or fantasy, I would choose science fiction. I've been wanting to read Jules Verne's "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" for a while. But honestly, I'm getting enough reading from the school curriculum right now!

Hobbit is more of a fairy tale than a full-fledged fantasy story. At least, it's a lighter version.

Science fiction. Sometimes I find myself mentally pondering, "what will happen in n years?", "what would have happened if...?" and so on. But due to my limited knowledge of science and, perhaps, not the best imagination, I find it more interesting to read other people's thoughts, well-written, including from a scientific perspective.

Fantasy, despite all this, I don't consider to be worse, however, I have read much less of it than science fiction, and I like it less.

science fiction, I've always said that. I love sci-fi for the vast amount of ideas and concepts it contains. You can come up with a completely original universe that will be very interesting. I've never liked fantasy. Fireballs/orcs/gnomes/swords/bows, seasoned with epicness and topped with a cherry – the main villain. The main hero is a simple country boy with a family sword, who suddenly turns out to be an awesome heir to a huge kingdom/an overpowered artifact falls into his hands/bandits kill his parents and he sets off on a journey to an old hermit-teacher to take revenge. A typical, extremely banal plot of the most banal fantasy. Exceptions in books and games (let's not talk about movies) are extremely rare. Mostly - just clichés and templates.

Yes, things are different in NF. :) There are four template pieces.
War - mercenaries - corporations - alien civilizations.
And something is created from them. Just change the order...
corporations - war - mercenaries - alien civilizations.
alien civilizations - corporations - war - mercenaries.
war - alien civilizations - mercenaries - corporations.
And so on... a lot of new things.
And the supervillains in NF are simply amazing. They don't know what they want and why they need world domination so much... but they NEED it! Moreover, they are everywhere.

And movies are a completely separate topic :) in any NF action movie (they haven't come up with anything else yet), a hundred aliens will eat ten thousand defenseless people, but there will be one superhero who will kill them all with one bullet from a broken, unloaded, training pistol.
And in fantasy action movies, there is always one hero who has nothing and then comes and kills everyone. But I don't remember many of them... maybe a couple...

Read the books by Harrison, Sheckley, Bradbury, and Koontz, and find me your four template pieces there. I'll look at them with interest. Don't suggest any Russian low-brow science fiction authors. And even these "template pieces" in sci-fi are sometimes presented so originally and interestingly that it's far superior to black armies of undead and orcs who decided to kill all elves and humans. What do you think, why are MMORPGs mostly fantasy-based? Because when buying this game, the user already knows that axes, bows, fireballs, and elves await him there, that is, the familiar stuff that he loves. Making a sci-fi MMO is very risky because you can stuff anything into sci-fi that will appeal to not everyone. In general, fantasy is very similar to games and films about World War II, where Omaha Beach, fascists, tanks, and trenches are obligatory, although it is more diverse. But the fact remains: fantasy is шаблонно.

*took it off Harrison's shelf...
Please. Jimmy DeGriz... honestly, it's one of my favorite things by him. But... nevertheless, half of it is cobbled together from such nonsense that... I'm speechless. And all four templates are present there.

I'm not considering Russian science fiction writers.
But even among them, there are wonderful authors. Lukyanenko, for example. *waiting for them to throw stones at me* whatever people say about him, he's good.

Yeah. Overused. Everything will be good if it's done well.
Orcs usually don't care about that; someone is in charge of them. It's more like "something else."
Have you read much fantasy?
I personally can only remember a couple of orc and undead invasions... and I can say that sci-fi is lagging behind... (IMHO!)
Although I haven't read that much sci-fi...

what do you think, why are most MMORPGs based on fantasy?

1. Someone mentioned 13-14-year-old Lineage II fans... it's much easier to make a Lineage 2 in a "fantasy" style than a Lineage 2 in a sci-fi style.
2. They got used to it:smile35: someone started, everyone followed... and they can't stop. Because it's truly popular.
3. Of course, it's cliché, because fantasy is always in the spotlight. It's much easier to cobble together "something" from the available templates than to look for sci-fi templates.

making a sci-fi MMO is very risky

However, they took the risk... and nothing happened.

The fact remains a fact :p

How wonderful! A den of fierce, burning hatred – that’s the theme!
Waaagh.

In Jimmy, these “templates” are not the essence of the series. They are just details. Besides, sci-fi was just beginning at that time, and everything was new^^ Awesome!^^
And it doesn’t describe how regiment number four attacked regiment number nine, and there was a huge plasma explosion. Corporations... a corps?) Gray people?))
Mercenaries? No, you are going to extremes, young man.
...Lukyanenko. Well, look? You yourself brought up a “wonderful author” as an example. Things are moving forward, yes:)

1. Someone mentioned 13-14 year old Lineage II fans... it’s much easier to make Lineage 2 in a “fantasy” style than Lineage 2 in a sci-fi style.
2. Someone started, everyone picked it up... and they can’t stop. Because it’s truly popular.
3. Of course, it’s cliché, because fantasy is always in plain sight. It’s much easier to slap together “something” from the suggested templates than to look for sci-fi templates.

1. And why is it easier? Correct, because all the features are already known in advance in the fantasy style. The path is paved.
2. Pop music! Here it is – the truth!!!11 By the way, the first “online” game was the well-known Doom. A sci-fi masterpiece! Doesn’t the fact that “everyone picked it up” indicate a lack of originality and talent among the creators?:)
3. Because it’s harder to find sci-fi “templates,” isn’t it? That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Of course, every style has its own inherent qualities that form its basis, but there are much more of them in some styles. I already said where, and how much more.

In Jimmy, these "templates" are not the essence of the series. They are just details. Besides, sci-fi was just beginning at that time, and everything was new^^ оттакота!^^

You! Heh heh... what a detail.

A STAINLESS STEEL RAT IS BORN - 1985
THE STAINLESS STEEL RAT GETS DRAFTED - 1987
THE STAINLESS STEEL RAT - 1966
THE STAINLESS STEEL RAT'S REVENGE - 1970
THE STAINLESS STEEL RAT SAVES THE WORLD - 1972
THE STAINLESS STEEL RAT WANTS YOU! - 1978
THE STAINLESS STEEL RAT FOR PRESIDENT - 1982
THE STAINLESS STEEL RAT SINGS THE BLUES - 1994
THE GOLDEN YEARS OF THE STAINLESS STEEL RAT - 1994
THE STAINLESS STEEL RAT GOES TO HELL - 1996
STAINLESS STEEL RAT JOINS THE CIRCUS - 1998
Just recently =^^=

corporations... a corps?) gray people?))

Well, essentially yes :) I also forgot Zenor... :)

mercenaries?

No, I was wrong, sorry... DiGrizz is kind and selfless.:smile13:
You are the one going to extremes. ;)

well, see? you yourself brought up a "wonderful author" as an example. things are moving, yes

Heh heh he... where is it moving, I wonder?))
I didn't say that all science fiction writers are inept and "let's throw them all out."
*whispering* and Night Watch is also partly sci-fi...

1. why is it easier? correctly, because in the fantasy style, all the features are already known in advance. the path is paved.

The path is paved?... Oh, HONESTLY?;) It's just that everyone has fantasy... take, for example, fairy tales, which are partly a branch of fantasy. Who hasn't read fairy tales? That's why they picked it up, because they were too lazy to dig deeper. And that doesn't mean there are fewer templates in sci-fi.

2. pop! here it is - the truth!!!11 by the way, the first "network" game was the well-known Doom. sci-fi! does the fact that "everyone picked it up" mean that there is a lack of originality and talent among the creators?

See, not everyone picked it up. :p They also churn out sci-fi. How many shooters and other games have been made in the sci-fi style?
Of course, they like to make RPGs in the fantasy style... but there are no more of them. 50/50.:smile36:

3. because it is more difficult to find sci-fi "templates", isn't it? that's what I'm talking about? of course, any style has its own inherent qualities that form its basis, but there are much more of them somewhere. I already said where, and how much more.

Therefore, sci-fi is made with fewer templates.
And the more, the better in any case. If it's a cliché, let it at least have more pieces.
=^^=

By the way... some of the elements of the most original sci-fi books are taken from fantasy. The dragons of Pern, for example.

P.S. Dragons are everywhere, they will eat everyone.:smile36:
P.P.S. Warhammer is also 50/50 =^^=

a cute couple, haha (I didn't say that out of jealousy) ;DDDDD

if we're talking about tropes, they exist in both genres.
in fantasy: an invasion of evil, searching for artifacts, saving princesses from villains, etc.
in sci-fi: aliens (they can be good or evil), robots (they can replace aliens as enslavers), enslaved planets, spaceships, pirates... basically, Star Wars has almost all of this.
so they are almost equal... but that doesn't mean you can't come up with something else.
and the talk about these tropes... it's as if people are specifically looking for books with similar plots and reading them, just to talk about how similar and alike they are.

P.S. anyway, when I write my own book, I'll prove to you that it's not true! you can come up with a lot of original ideas, and you can take something from other genres and change it the way you want.

P.P.S. and also, if you want a different kind of fantasy, there's one RPG... I haven't played it much myself because my computer can't handle it, and I don't want to play on my brother's, but I've seen a bit of it... I don't remember the name, but it has the word Chaos in it (in English, of course)...
in general, you start as an orc (which is a minus for me, because I don't like orcs), but there are a lot of skills, different schools, etc. (that's a plus)... and most importantly, this world doesn't look like other worlds (at least that's the first impression), because there are many races (you see all sorts of things in the city... humanoids of different colors, shapes... basically, something like the diversity of alien races, but in a fantasy setting, and they fit in!)... and even the well-known races aren't what we're used to seeing them as (a half-naked elven pirate, etc.)... and there's also very good detail in the houses, nature, and characters... but the turn-based combat system isn't very good (that's a minus).
in general, the game seemed interesting to me and different from other fantasy games

Friends, but why must sci-fi necessarily involve aliens? In my opinion, this is a frequently used, but by no means essential, attribute of the genre. War? Hmm... I haven't read a vast number of science fiction works (only a small number), but I've already encountered works where, on the contrary, humanity is trying to solve its own problems related to natural disasters and apply its scientific knowledge not to destroy its own kind, but to save itself. And it seems to me that the book I read is not the only one of its kind. Sci-fi often uses a time machine or something else that, in one way or another, moves people (or perhaps not only people) to another time period; sci-fi can describe an alternative reality (our time, but one aspect of people's lives is significantly changed, or some incredible scientific discovery has been made/a new weapon has been invented/.../). One could go on. For some reason, everyone immediately remembers Star Wars when they hear "science fiction." It's like equating all fantasy to The Lord of the Rings. The work is, of course, one of the best in the genre and one of the most famous... But the genre doesn't rest on The Lord of the Rings alone, does it?:)

Wow. You’re having a strange conversation. Why are you talking about clichés? Maybe you should talk about bad fantasy or sci-fi? If the author is good, they won’t use clichés. Take Terry Pratchett, for example. Where are the clichés in his work? There aren’t any. And he writes fantasy. It doesn’t depend on the genre, but on the author. Although, there’s a huge amount of terrible fantasy being produced these days, so that kind of attitude isn’t surprising. Oh dear… Is the sci-fi world not limited by anything, but fantasy is? O_O That sounds strange. I’ll say it again – it depends on the author. The limitations of the world depend only on them, and only they can decide how standard and interesting the world will be. Why isn’t sci-fi limited? Because any kind of nonsense can come from space? Because any kind of mutation can happen? Well, you can derive anything from magic too. I think that phrase isn’t very sensible. P.S. Arandor, don’t act like JD.