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Personally, I don't need Titans or Mages! I need Golems and Dragons... Golems are harder to kill, and we have enough Archers!
Скоро! Всем ждать! Они явятся!:smile20:
celt
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celt
BASON
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I don't need Titans or Mages! I need Golems and Dragons... Golems are harder to kill, and we have enough archers!
Пандора
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I agree about the golems. But titans are almost always better, especially when defending from a tower. Although dragon-golems can also be useful. Especially if the opponent is playing as Necropolis and you need to counter hordes of vampires. Against them, even the greatest and most fearsome super-archer titans are powerless.
Therefore, the conclusion is: build units based on the opponent, not on your subjective preference. Unfortunately, I don't always follow this, and I don't regret it. The results prove it.
yuriy
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I used to build mostly mages as well... but they die quickly (hmm, not enough of them), and you can't cover everything with dwarves (unless you place them one by one), but even that doesn't help for long... so now I usually build golems =). Because melee units are needed, and with my development (genies + titans in Whirlwinds), I don't have enough of them... but in Equilibris, you can start thinking about it.
Zybr
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I disagree; in my opinion, it's the most advantageous option in most cases: mage - djinn - dragon golem.
The dragon golem is extremely weak; even the first strike doesn't save it. The dragon is only effective for clearing out neutrals, in conjunction with teleport and djinn support. But Titans are just as good; cast accuracy on them, slow down everyone with djinns, and practically any neutral can be easily defeated. And in some cases, it's convenient to teleport a Titan as well; the lack of a penalty in melee combat is a big plus.
Барон "Vampires"
Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
yuriy
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The Dragon Golem is extremely weak; even the first strike doesn't save it. Dragons are only effective for clearing out neutral creatures, in combination with teleportation and support from Djinns. But Titans are just as good; cast Accuracy on them, slow down everyone with Djinns, and practically any neutral creature can be easily defeated. And in some cases, it's convenient to teleport a Titan as well; after all, the lack of a penalty in melee combat is a big plus.
Dragon Golem: ------------Titan:
Damage: 36-55 --------------Damage: 34-50
HP: 220 -------------------HP: 210
Attack: 34 -----------------Attack: 32
Defense: 34 ----------------Defense: 32
Movement: 12 ---------Movement: 7
Speed: 9 ---------------Speed: 6
First strike, --------------Normal melee combat,
Counter-first strike,--------Resistance to Chaos
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With the main tactic (or maybe even without it), the Dragon will definitely reach the enemy in the first turn. As a golem, it is immune to many spells and is a very strong melee fighter, even if it's ugly! The only thing I'll say in favor of the Titan is that it's a ranged unit and only matters if the game is against Chaos units and casters who cast Chaos spells. But the presence of Djinns and mages (you can even recruit Hobbits) on the battlefield provides significant ranged power, and you can confidently build Dragons. What do you say now?
Zybr
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We won't consider tactics, as it's not always convenient to level up tactics for the Order faction.
Unlike the Titan, the dragon-golem is a melee unit. Given its size and speed, it doesn't excel in defense, but it can hold its own in attack for a while. However, for a melee unit, its hit points are a bit low. Therefore, in battles with neutral creatures, a slight oversight can easily lead to the loss of one dragon.
In Whirlwinds, the dragon had two significant advantages over the Titan: speed and cost.
The Titan's strength lies in its versatility. It's effective both as a ranged attacker and in melee combat. It also synergizes well with Djinns and is protected against magic, as only Chaos has powerful offensive spells, and the Titan isn't vulnerable to them. The dragon, on the other hand, has very limited specialization.
Moreover, after increasing its accuracy, the Titan's attack parameters will be higher than the dragon's. And for the Titan, a relatively small number of hit points isn't fatal because it won't charge into the thick of the enemy.
If we consider combinations of Titans and Dragons with Nagas, which, as mentioned, are very effective in the final battle (especially on Equilibrium), it will be difficult to break through using only two melee units, even with magical support. However, Titans can effectively cover the Nagas, providing significant ranged support.
Even at a glance, it's hard to say in which situation the dragon is better than the Titan.
P.S. If we're talking about Equilibrium, Titans are clearly superior. Their cost is significantly reduced, and they have 30 movement points, which is more than the dragon.
Барон "Vampires"
Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
Zybr
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I only acknowledge Winds Of War. No matter how many times I've played it, I've never lost dragons to neutral creatures. I only spared them in the final battle...
I'm not saying you need to max out Tactics; you can just take the Core skill, and that will be enough... You can also equip the Shield of Order, and all your units will resist Chaos like Titans... And in general, I think the AI in the Fourth game is the dumbest and most flawed in the entire history of Heroes.) It's only interesting to play against experienced players.
Okay, let there be Whirlwinds. What is the Core skill enough for? To get to the enemy? But what's the point? Only tanks are in the front rows, all the mages and archers are in the back, and they can't be reached anyway.
2) The Shield of Order is good, but it's not available everywhere. If we're considering a regular map, it's not always possible to find such a shield, I would even say it's rare, so it's not an option.
3) The computer in the Fourth game is really useless; I completely agree with that. :)
4) About neutral creatures. Maybe I haven't lost any, I won't argue about that, but at the Master and Champion levels, when there are quite a few neutral creatures, you need to be vigilant. With Titans, it's easier; just take your time and shoot. The hero's mana might not even be used
Барон "Vampires"
Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
yuriy
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We won't consider tactics, because leveling up tactics for Order... isn't always convenient.
Even off the top of my head, I'm not sure in which situation a dragon is better than a titan.
I'm not saying to level up Tactics; you can just take the Core skill, and that will be enough... You can also equip the Shield of Order, and all your units will resist Chaos like Titans... And in general, I think the AI in the Fourth game is the dumbest and most flawed in the entire history of Heroes) It's only interesting to play against experienced players.
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P.S. I only play on the maximum difficulty level
Arandor
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I disagree; in my opinion, it's the most advantageous option in most cases: mage - djinn - dragon golem.
In most cases?))...
With Necromancers, mages aren't needed (if you're using undead), and you don't want to take risks (guessing what the enemy is building)...
There's also little point against Chaos, as they have flying units, a decent ranged attacker, and area-of-effect magic... and golems have resistance to it.
It's also dangerous against Barbarians, as Cyclops can take out everyone at once. And if you spread out the archers, the infantry might reach them... in that case, you won't even have time to cover everyone. Plus, they have high magic resistance.
It's easier against Life and Nature, although the latter can cause trouble with dragons and other flying units.
But a golem-dragon is good against Necromancers, as magic doesn't affect them. And it's debatable against Chaos, as the Titan has protection against Chaos =)
Against Life and Nature, the Titan is better, as Life usually develops into infantry, and it's good to shoot them down. And Nature, on the other hand, develops into archers, so a fight might not even happen (with the Sand Striders) =)))
P.S. Although, who knows... a lot depends on chance, the map, the opponent, and their development =)
Be strong. Believe
yuriy
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although, who knows... a lot depends on chance, the map, the opponent, and their development =)
...but don't forget about the insane magic of Haven!
Arandor
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That's exactly what you said correctly!
...but don't forget about the insane magic of Haven!
Yeah, their magic is interesting. Maybe that's why it's one of my favorite factions... although, magic depends a lot on luck, because it doesn't always work (resistance) )))
Be strong. Believe
UTER
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Dragons and golems are needed – we need something to create illusions from, and they are better for this than titans! MEAT!!! :)
yuriy
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not a single "meat" unit! If you create illusions from them, you can avoid losses altogether!
oxygen_hl
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not worth it, "meat"! if you create illusions from them, you can avoid losses!
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В прошлый раз утащил я молитвенный коврик,
Он истерся до дыр, - я за новым пришёл.
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