Morale system. — Suggestions and improvements.

General ZeT

5/13/2008 9:46 AM UTC

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Yeah, I liked the old database system; it was quite different from other similar systems on other forums, but now it's become just like the others, and with comments added on top of that. As far as I know, this type of forum and its engine, like on HeroesWorld, now uses a new database system with comments as the standard. It would have been possible to hold a vote for or against the new database system. The results of the vote would just be for informational purposes, and the Creator would decide whether to take the forum members' opinions about the old/new database into account or not, and how to proceed. Best regards, Zet.

Added 6 minutes later
I forgot to mention the bug where pages don't open: if you log out and view the topic as a guest, everything will work fine. :)

It would be nice to have the old database system with the ability to leave comments, rather than just a "like/dislike" option.
[offtopic]If the old database system was slowing down the forum, what can be said about implementing the Grail system?[/offtopic]

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Vanechka

5/13/2008 11:16 AM UTC

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invisible;176068

With the old database system, I at least saw that many people liked them, and that was a kind of motivation. Now I don't even see if anyone reads them at all, and accordingly, why bother writing them?!!

I don't understand what the problem is.
Click the "Control Panel" button, and you will have information about these "ticks" right in front of you. Something like Username-Database Rating Decrease/Increase-Link to Message for which the database rating was increased.
The biggest advantage of all these innovations is that the "herd effect" is eliminated, and, in my opinion, there will now be much less chatter on the topic of "why are you doing this, I thought better of you, don't attack without reason, look at yourself."
And the value of this "little bird" has increased: now you can't just scroll with the mouse and casually click pluses and minuses while in a state of suspended animation: you have to put in a little effort.
The downside is the traffic to pop-up windows and the hassle when connecting from a mobile device.
But overall, it's not bad, I like it. At least it doesn't hurt my eyes.

Истинно говорю вам: 21 декабря 2012 года Земля налетит на небесную ось!

RAPER

5/13/2008 2:21 PM UTC

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We could have held a vote for or against the new database system.

I don't understand – did no one read the Creator's post? He wrote that the system was changed precisely because the old system was overloading the forum's database (remember when the forum was down for nnn days)...
I don't like the current system myself – the pop-up window is just not suitable... but what can you do... at least there won't be any glitches (I hope)...
Sincerely

играю на уровне AI !!:smile32: ;)

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Sniper93

5/13/2008 4:02 PM UTC

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In my opinion, the old system was simply great... But this one is a bit lacking, and it's frustrating that you can't see who increased or decreased the Battle Rating (BR)! :smile32: In short, bring back the old BR system:smile12:

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Полосатая

5/13/2008 4:26 PM UTC

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You've been told this twenty times already... The system isn't ready yet! Be patient for a couple of days (or maybe even months... who knows when the Creator will get tired of tormenting us?:rolleyes:). The rapper is right, the old system won't be brought back. Unless they find a way to get rid of the bugs. Time will pass, and people will get used to the new features:)
And the comments are just great... And if someone doesn't like them, they can just not write them, but they make it much easier - you don't have to bother writing a ten-letter PM.

So back off your rules,
Back off your jive!
Cause I'm sick of not living,
To stay alive,
Leave me alone!
I'm not asking a lot -
I just don't want to be controlled,
That's all I want.
All I want!
(с)The Offspring

Arandor

5/13/2008 5:05 PM UTC

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As far as I know, there used to be a similar system... then they made the one we were using.
Heh, so many upset people, and they're all against it... it's like living in an apartment that's being renovated and complaining that it's dirty, etc. =)

P.S. It's better to live with this database system (which might be better), than to live on a buggy forum >_>

Be strong. Believe

Dracon Малласа

5/14/2008 8:15 AM UTC

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Perhaps, but the forum is still glitching, and absolutely nothing has changed for the better.
1) It's unclear why they changed the ranking ladder.
2) Some pages still don't open.
3) The little birds still don't fly around the icon in the upper right corner, even though my BD was increased in some messages.
4) The chat still doesn't work.
These are the disappointing results.
Overall, I understand that it's not easy for the Creator, but I can't help but notice that all his efforts haven't yielded results and have even gone backward in some areas.

Чую время пришло и захлопнулась дверь
Ангел пропел и полопалась кожа...
Мы выпили жизнь, но не стали мудрей,
Мы прожили смерть, но не стали моложе...
Агата Кристи
Ты должен быть сильным,
Ты должен уметь сказать: Руки прочь, прочь от меня,
Ты должен быть сильным, иначе зачем тебе быть?!
КИНО

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Майор Вихрь

5/14/2008 9:17 AM UTC

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Dracon Mallasa;176595

1) It's unclear why the rank ladder was changed?

The modified rank ladder has an undeniable advantage: now, for new users with less than 5 posts, the race and creature are not displayed, which may reduce the load on the forum and guaranteed reduces traffic, as there are many one-day users, + spammers appear regularly.

Dracon Mallasa;176595

2) Some pages still don't open.

Until the problem is solved, load the necessary pages as a "guest."

Dracon Mallasa;176595

3) The little birds still don't fly near the thing in the upper right corner, even though my BD was increased in some posts.

You're rushing...

Dracon Mallasa;176595

4) The chat still doesn't work.

Until the problem with the excessive load on the forum is resolved, the chat will not appear. Again, you're rushing.

Dracon Mallasa;176595

In general, I perfectly understand that it's not easy for the Creator, but I can't help but notice that all his efforts have not yielded results and have even gone negative in some areas.

Incorrect conclusion. In many ways, this is because you are rushing.

Rome wasn't built in a day

O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.

G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal

Андрей

5/14/2008 9:45 AM UTC

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I personally don't see much point in the morale system. Maybe it exists, but I don't notice it. It's simply because many people don't know how to use this system: they give a "negative" rating to reputation just because they disagree with someone's opinion (or is that how it's supposed to be?). I have a lot of these "negative" ratings. But I haven't used any slang, and I've tried to express myself clearly in almost every post... My contributions were mostly criticism. Is that something that should be punished? In general, for the reasons mentioned above, I don't pay any attention to my morale. At the same time, some users have even developed something like a reputation obsession (if I can call it that): they write congratulations to everyone (most likely even to users they don't know), congratulate each other on getting another "badge," and react strongly to a decrease in their reputation. But what did they get this "badge" for? If it's for sending congratulations, then it's not worth anything. It's a different story if a person organizes Tournaments or offers ideas for the game's development. In general, it's not worth paying attention to the morale system, and it would be even better to remove it.

ДУРАКОВ ОЧЕНЬ МАЛО, НО ОНИ РАССТАВЛЕНЫ ТАК ГРАМОТНО, ЧТО ВСТРЕЧАЮТСЯ НА КАЖДОМ ШАГУ.
Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]

Dracon Малласа

5/14/2008 10:55 AM UTC

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Incorrect conclusion. Largely because you are rushing things.

Rome wasn't built in a day (proverb).

Yes, I understand that not everything happens immediately, but I still note that no visible improvements have occurred.

Чую время пришло и захлопнулась дверь
Ангел пропел и полопалась кожа...
Мы выпили жизнь, но не стали мудрей,
Мы прожили смерть, но не стали моложе...
Агата Кристи
Ты должен быть сильным,
Ты должен уметь сказать: Руки прочь, прочь от меня,
Ты должен быть сильным, иначе зачем тебе быть?!
КИНО

AmberSoler

5/14/2008 11:01 AM UTC

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Reputation is a sublimation... :) People start posting their well-thought-out ideas and get a boost in their reputation score (BD) for it, then a shift in perception occurs, and people start posting more to get a positive rating... What does this mean? Usually, it leads to spam... What's more important - constructive communication or feeding one's ego? Probably, it depends on the person... But for me, it's not very interesting to communicate with people who focus on the latter... because their words are usually empty. Sorry for being so frank. BD isn't that important for an adult... but since it exists on the forum, let it be, as long as it doesn't interfere with the forum's functionality. Either remove it completely or make it unobtrusive, like an option. And it's good that they removed the links under the posts. It was too cluttered and didn't provide much useful information. If someone needs to, there's a way to check their BD in another way.

Сначала было слово...
FizMiG v.2.0 *** Очередное обновление справочника! *** http://vk.com/fizmig

Starhan

5/24/2008 12:40 PM UTC

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very good :)
I don't have any traffic issues, so the pop-up window is great.
But I do have an issue with users who give a bunch of the same "+" and even more "-" in every post from the same people, to the same people.
Now I'll at least know if it's justified or just random.

Каждый может быть героем ...

General ZeT

6/11/2008 6:21 PM UTC

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I don't know about others, but lately I've noticed that there are fewer birds in my coop. I'm not arguing that the new database system doesn't provide as many birds as the old one, and it seems to me that it would be worth reducing the percentage of database removal from the total number, i.e., reducing the number of automatic database balancing adjustments.

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ewgeniy

6/11/2008 7:23 PM UTC

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I spent 10 minutes writing a long, thoughtful post...
but I changed my mind and will just say this:
Guys, don't worry about it. A reasonable person is unlikely to pay attention to these little birds, griffins, and all that similar stuff...
P.S. There are still improvements, like the Dragon...

Клан"Homo Homini":smile19: Полезные ссылки:smile01:

В. Уэйтс©

Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

временно ушел с форума, переодически заглядываю. кому нужен пишите в скайп ewgeniy1985. в аське 384385000 очень редко.

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VDV_forever

6/12/2008 5:03 AM UTC

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Dracon Mallasa; 176595

Perhaps, but the forum is still glitching; absolutely nothing has changed for the better.
1) It's unclear why they changed the rank ladder?
2) Some pages still don't open.
3) The little birds near the thing in the upper right corner are still not flying around, even though my BD was increased in some messages.
4) The chat still doesn't work.
These are the disappointing results.
In general, I perfectly understand that it’s not easy for the Creator, but I can’t help but notice that all his efforts have not yielded any results and have even gone backwards in some areas.

So what's the problem?

If you are willing to help HW and thereby make high-quality useful changes/innovations to the project, please leave a post in the topic:
LET'S DEVELOP HW TOGETHER!

in which we ask you to indicate your skills and knowledge that could be used in one way or another in the reconstruction of HW.;)

P.S. Sometimes we have to hear such attacks from users towards the portal administration, but you must understand that we also have families, jobs, and other things that cannot be neglected.

Many constantly say that this is wrong, that is wrong, this needs to be done like this, and that like that, and from their posts you can only catch the essence, and not always.
When it comes to real action, helping, all these people disappear.

Please, leave your clearly formulated ideas and their implementation in the topic:

constructive suggestions for developing HW!

Sincerely, VDV_forever

Единый справочник по Героям Меча и Магии

ТУРНИРЫ ПО ГЕРОЯМ 1!:smile13: