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Posts from Creating a fund to support modders and creators of new maps.Auto-translated
I agree with L'Garold's position.
In general, the idea of paying a specific amount to an author for completing a task within a certain timeframe is not ideal.
I would suggest allocating the collected funds to support contests and tournaments (yes, tournaments for modding), but regarding maps, as I already mentioned to prime79, I'll say that the Remix contest, which had a prize fund, attracted only 6 maps for participation in six months. Moreover, the authors were not asked to start a map from scratch; many were already in the middle of working on a map when the contest was announced. However... there was little interest in voting among the 6 maps (and, by the way, very few people participated in the public vote).
Therefore, I still believe in allocating the fund to tournaments; KillAndAction's opinion on the feasibility of organizing them would be interesting.
Who will be the director, and who will decide how the money will be divided? And how much will the director get?)) This guy registered a month ago and is already trying to create a fundraising campaign. It reminds me of Ilf and Petrov.
No, this guy has been on the forum for many years. He just has a new account.
The bottom line is that I find the following unacceptable: 1. The author sets the price. 2. Limited timeframes.
But who, in your opinion, should set the price for their work? After all, the author is the one who is willing to undertake the development of a particular mod or campaign. Only they know how much time and effort will be spent on it. Regarding time, it is important to have limitations; otherwise, the project may drag on for years. There are plenty of examples of this even on this forum. Author
In general, paying for a specific promised job by the author, if he completes it within the required time, is not a great idea.
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A prize for audience sympathy based on contribution to improving the game, without being tied to time. Or contests with a specific theme.
I strongly disagree. For example, I want to find a modder (or modders) who will create a specific mod related to adding new skills and abilities to the skill wheel, so that they appear in the game and everything works as it should, without bugs. Accordingly, I will post my request in this thread. Over time, an executor will be found. On my part, for example, I am ready to allocate 7,000 rubles for the implementation of my request, but, of course, the implementation of such a project will be estimated by modders at a much higher price, for example, 25,000-40,000 rubles. Therefore, it will be necessary to raise funds. There will be those who support it, but everyone will have a question: how long will it take to create such a mod? And believe me, no one will wait long. Time plays an important role when it comes to paying for work. Time is precisely what acts as a motivator. Because if there is no time limit, then you can develop for years, and sooner or later you will completely lose interest in the game. Author
Even shorter - small rewards - YES.
However, the question arises: what does small rewards mean? There is no specificity in this wording. Because if we are talking about completing a specific project - a mod, developing a campaign, etc., then the executors must understand what kind of support they will receive. Author
I would suggest distributing the funds to contest and tournament funds (yes, modding tournaments)
How do you see this? Has a modding tournament been held on the forum before? How do you imagine the implementation of such tournaments? Author
I will say that the Remix contest, which had a prize fund, attracted 6 maps for participation in six months, and the authors were not asked to start the map from scratch; many were caught by the contest in the middle of their work.
It will be difficult to implement something similar on the basis of our forum. And six months is a very long time. Unless, make a prize fund based on a map-making contest, as it was with Remix:
1st place, for example, 10,000 rubles 2nd place, 5,000 3rd place, 3,000 Author
Therefore, I am still in favor of distributing the fund to tournaments; it would be interesting to hear KillAndAction's opinion on the feasibility of organizing them.
I would also like to hear the opinion of this respected and experienced person
Therefore, I still support allocating funds for tournaments; it would be interesting to hear KillAndAction's opinion on whether organizing them is worthwhile.
My opinion almost coincides with the opinion of L'Garold and Leonion.
It seems to me that the only option that could be considered is to hold some kind of competition with prize-winning places.
Even if we are talking about holding mapmaking contests with prize-winning places, we will still need to open an account (and preferably in different payment systems). After all, we will need to accept contributions to form the prize fund. If you insist on this particular option, let's try it. But how will this apply to modding?
He had many accounts. But he was most known as atlant108. He was a booster of activity on the forum, which incredibly annoyed some moderators. And also some users. On the other hand, he never did anything bad. As far as I remember.
My opinion almost coincides with the opinion of L'Garold and Leonion.
KillAndAction, your position is clear, but if we choose the option proposed by L'Garold and Leonion, then a number of difficulties arise, related to the organization of the process itself. The mechanism for running contests for modders is unclear.
Added 7 minutes ago Leonion
I myself am a modder, and I have been modding games like Gothic 2 (I also participated in the translation of two large mods from German), Warband, Battle Brothers, and several others to a lesser extent, for many years. And for me, free modding has always been an axiom, and I categorically reject any payment, even in the form of voluntary donations. Moreover, I am against the commercial creative industry in principle. Creation is something that people do for their own pleasure, realizing their own dreams and desires. If this (a book, a mod, a song, a YouTube video) is released publicly and becomes popular, then a pleasant bonus is the gratitude of those who also liked it, and in special cases - fame. Money has no place here, unless the project itself requires material investment (such as films, which require huge funds for scenery, costumes, etc.)
Leonion, I perfectly understand your position, which is why I proposed several options that are not related to financial support - all of them are listed in the first post of this thread. Given that you reject any form of payment and voluntary contributions, believing that creation should be free, I suggest paying attention to options 3 and 4. Here they are: Author
Option 3. When the Initiator and Performer are the same person - a mapmaker or modder who wants to bring their long-held dream to life, but for this, they need technical support. This refers to the case when, for example, the author wants to create an interesting campaign, but for this, they need help in the form of creating videos, writing dialogues, help with scripts, etc. In this case, the help will be of a technical nature, not financial. This also applies to the creation of global modifications.
Option 4. When the Initiator of the mod or map development is a forum member, and the Performer is a modder or mapmaker, who is willing to complete the order completely free of charge, without requiring any help or support. Because he himself is the embodiment of help and support! Honor and respect to such heroes!
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No, this guy has been on the forum for many years. Just a new account.
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He has had many accounts. But he is best known as atlant108. He is a booster of activity on the forum, which incredibly annoyed some moderators. And also some users. On the other hand, he has never done anything bad. As far as I remember.
I am, of course, pleased that I was mistaken for a veteran and an old-timer of the forum, which is what the user atlant108 is, who registered on the forum on December 22, 2015, but I am not atlant108 and I am new to the forum. Therefore, I do not claim the role of fundraiser. Perhaps, the respected KillAndAction will agree to this role. In addition, this person has extensive experience in organizing and running tournaments and contests. And that is exactly what is needed. You can't find a better candidate
In these challenging times for the community, I think such ideas should either be accepted unanimously or rejected. It seems that despite the advantages of the idea, the community hasn't strongly supported it, which suggests that it's not something they need. In general, perhaps it would be worth creating some kind of fund for Cartomaster, and maybe creating a thread with the details of active modders and links to their topics/pages, but the idea doesn't seem to go any further than that.
With all due respect to your initiative, **prime79**, it seems that such a centralized fund is not what people need.
It was a good attempt to motivate people, but I think their inertia and sluggish activity are not proportional to monetary rewards, but rather related to the longevity of the game itself and their activities, which do not require payment. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We need more beholders. But let's not stand in costumes on the streets, inviting people to download maps and mods, right? :)
Не уходи безропотно во тьму, Будь яростней пред ночью всех ночей, Не дай погаснуть свету своему!
Хоть мудрый знает – не осилишь тьму Во мгле словами не зажжёшь лучей – Не уходи безропотно во тьму.
He had many accounts. But he was most known as atlant108. He was a booster of activity on the forum, which incredibly annoyed some moderators. And users too. On the other hand, he never did anything bad. As far as I remember.
atlant108? How could I not have guessed? Now everything is clear.
At the request of Prime, I will outline my opinion on this matter. The idea itself is noble, but the proposed implementation... Firstly, setting deadlines no longer inspires confidence. Map/mod creation is still a hobby, and deadlines can turn it all into a routine. Authors will simply be tied to their projects because they need to finish the work on time. Moreover, an author might promise a new masterpiece with a lot of videos, scripts, etc., but end up with something like "Volkodav." And besides, if I'm not mistaken, any author can leave their contact information. This is much better. If a player likes someone's project and wants to support them, they can send the author some money. I think that's quite enough.
If we're talking about supporting mod/map creators in a non-financial way, those who want to could simply offer help with the most basic tasks. For example, with testing...
На дальней станции сойду... Трава по пояс, Зайду в траву, как в море босиком...
Whether it's a coincidence or not, the IP addresses change, and they are bought and sold; prime79 is just like Atlas. But I doubt there's some grand scheme to steal money here; that's not how Atlas operates, and besides, where would the money even come from? The forum isn't what it was in 2015. The guy came up with another sensational topic, and it worked: look how active everyone is here, XD. It's a shame Durman isn't here; he would smile at his old friend, hehe).
Jewilly, exactly that. And also motivating reviews under every single map without distinction. Unfortunately, the clone-founder showed different IPs, so one cannot be 100% certain.
prime79, if you want to order a mod, then gather the amount and write to the necessary people (I will duplicate the list). But you will have to pay alone
In general, the whole topic and what you wrote in PMs is about creating a relief fund. But the options in the thread header look more like... an order bureau,and that' same as unnecessary competition for my group..meaning, gathering a collective fund for such a thing is... questionable.
If KillAndAction has no desire to hold Tournaments, then the option of financing a mapmaker remains. Otherwise, my hand-drawn medals and pins are of no use to anyone, but this way—there is a goal. But here, if everything works out well, I will gather the money myself.
After creating the topic, I suggested my options. There are 4 of them. These are just examples. This is how I see it, but maybe you have your own ideas. I remind you that we are currently discussing this. Therefore, offer your solutions.
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If KillAndAction doesn't want to run Tournaments, then the only option left is to fund the cartomaster. Otherwise, my drawn medals and badges are useless to anyone, but this way – there is a goal. But here, if everything works out, I will collect the money myself.
KillAndAction hasn't given an answer yet. Medals are definitely needed. This is also a form of recognition. Author
In the current difficult time for the Community, I think that such ideas should either be accepted unanimously or not accepted at all. It seems to me that, despite the advantages of the idea, the Community did not really support it, which leads to the conclusion that it is not needed.
It's just unclear what the Community wants. What idea (option) could be accepted unanimously?
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In general, perhaps it would be worth creating some kind of fund for the Cartomaster, and maybe creating a topic with the details of active modders with links to their topics/pages, but the topic doesn't seem to be going any further.
This already exists. The forum allows you to see the details of the authors, but this cannot be called a support fund – it is more like random tips. And the amount of these tips leaves much to be desired.
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prime79, if you want to order a mod, then collect the amount and write to the right people (I will duplicate the list). But you will have to pay alone.
I created this topic not for myself, but to stir up the modders, cartomakers, and fans of the game, but if no one needs it, then I wash my hands of it here. At least I tried.
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