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I, for example, tend to trust people, and I would gladly help and give them a chance, rather than taking a position of usurper.

I don't think it's a good idea to introduce a limit on the number of posts, as this will lead to people posting when they need to and when they don't.
And I also disagree with the idea of clan ideologies – it's difficult to come up with many radically different ideologies. They will still be largely similar, that is, they will differ in form, but not in content;

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And also – posts can be written rarely, but meaningfully. Or they can be written frequently, with only one sentence per post – then you can write 1,000 messages in a very short time. So the number of messages doesn't say anything. In that case, you need to look at the quality of the messages, that is, their usefulness and informativeness.

The new clan regulations, written by Reper, are quite suitable and aim to help the Creator.

The topic is closed as there is no point in discussing it.

Is that sufficient? And they provided 24 hours for discussion, which falls on the last day of the month, a day that is particularly busy for many forum users due to work commitments, making it difficult for them to actively participate in the forum?
I'm opening this thread and proposing Raper's version as a starting point, but we should make some adjustments after discussing it with representatives from active clans.

"The 'Draft Regulations for Clans' project' is a good example of where the **LMSC** should be involved. This is exactly within its area of competence.
But for some reason, the 'Draft' is being discussed here, and not there... :smile32:

"The 'Clan Regulations' project" is a good example of where the Tournament Committee should be involved. This is exactly within its area of responsibility.
But for some reason, the "Project" is being discussed here, and not there...

Maybe because not all clans are part of the Tournament Committee:o. And the Tournament Committee might not make an objective decision:o. Here, it's just a discussion among all (or those who are interested) forum participants.:rolleyes:

Let's discuss this.
TaKo and I have thought about it, and here's what we came up with:

Project "Regulations on Clans"

1) Suspend the proliferation of clans... by prohibiting their creation by newcomers until they have been on the portal for a certain time + have accumulated a certain number of posts (question - how much and how many??)
2) The same conditions apply to all their clan members - only the requirements may be lower (the same minimum of 4 people - the rest can be accepted without this).
3) There must be a positive reputation (it doesn't matter how many "eagles" it is)...
4) In the representative topic of the declared clan, the following must be clearly indicated:
a) composition.
b) a unique name.
c) a developed ideology that fundamentally distinguishes the newly created clan from existing ones.
5) At least 2 members of the newly created clan must participate in a tournament/tournaments HW BEFORE or DURING its creation (I think the result is not so important - the main thing is the fact of participation).
6) The representative topic must be оформлена immediately - and according to all the rules... (and not like "I'm creating a clan - the name is "don't know" - join") - you need to invite people you are interested in in advance via PM, isq, etc.

7) If the leader does not appear on the forum for "N" time (I suggest 1-2 months) - without warning, the clan must be headed by another person. Otherwise, it will be disbanded.
8) If "N" number (I suggest 70%) of clan members do not appear on the forum for a certain time (for example, the same 1-2 months) without giving reasons, the clan will also be disbanded.
9) If the clan does not participate in the portal's HW tournaments for 5 months (for example, the VK tournament - 5 months strictly), then the clan is considered inactive and will also be disbanded.
10) To resolve inter-clan conflicts, as well as in the event of a conflict between members of individual clans, this conflict is brought to the attention of LzMS for consideration.
11) I also suggest that the administration participate - namely, when creating a clan, the administration (or someone from it) should think about whether the future clan has potential!

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Ps Please express your opinion - maybe you disagree with something! =)) or maybe you want to add something and add another point =))
Sincerely, Yura and TaKo

1) 2 months + 100 posts + participation in a tournament
2) 1 month + 50 posts + participation in a tournament
3) I am categorically against this point!!!!
4) The current requirements for the representative topic are quite acceptable to me.
5) The main thing is that the clan shows at least some tournament activity.
6) I agree.
7) 3 months.
8) In principle, I agree.
9) It will do.
10) ....
11) The administration already has a lot to do, so it shouldn't

I believe there are several issues that are being raised, directly or indirectly, by representatives of the ACTIVE Clans. I will try to outline them. 1. We are creating a charter for the Clans. And it is we, the representatives of the ACTIVE Clans, who will abide by the rules that we establish. Yes, we are ready to listen to good ideas, but WE must be the ones to make the decisions. (There is a clan ranking, so the criteria probably don't need to be explained). 2. Some clans are not functioning. And that is a fact. And this does not please us, as representatives of the ACTIVE Clans. A clan is a clan, not just a sign. And the presence of inactive clans discredits this idea. Therefore, we want only active clans to remain. 3. We do not need clans that are created only to satisfy the ego of the so-called "leader." The clan leader must be responsible for their clan. 4. Direct and indirect insults coming from any clan are unacceptable. We understand this. But we do not have a tool to prevent this situation, and it arises again and again. We need real leverage. 5. We have a "self-governance body." We want full recognition of the LzMS and to turn it into a real force. 6. We have a great morale system on our forum. And we are sure that a person with negative morale should not be allowed to register a clan. Positive morale is a mandatory requirement for the leader of a newly created clan. 7. We are ready to detail all the specific aspects of the Charter. We have known each other for a long time, and despite the sometimes fierce clan wars, we are always correct and friendly – because we are doing a common thing. I would like the representatives of the ACTIVE Clans to express their opinions on these basic areas.

Dear Qwerty, as a member of the Vampire clan, I would like to ensure that the new rules regarding the creation of a new clan and the mandatory requirements for the clan leader will not affect recently registered clans and their leaders. We only recently received official clan status, and I believe we are not yet considered an ACTIVE clan, but I and all my clan members will do everything to be among them. I personally agree with the project proposed by the respected RAPER, "Regulations on Clans."
Also, I am interested in whether the idea of the Leader regarding the revival of a clan will be included in the new rules or not.
Sincerely, General.

2 General ZeT
What kind of revival are you talking about? What is being revived? I don't understand.
Of course, the points about creating new clans will not apply to already existing clans.
And your clan is active, and personally, I don't see any reason to do anything to it. It's a good clan, with an idea and active members...

The leader's Clan is not subject to this rule... but anyone who tries to create another one will...

2. Some Clans are not functioning. And that's a fact. And we, as representatives of ACTIVE Clans, cannot be happy about this. A Clan is a Clan, not just a name. And the presence of inactive Clans discredits this idea. Therefore, we want only active Clans to remain.

This is what I wanted to express when I started this topic... maybe I didn't succeed =););)

5. We have a "self-governance body." We want full recognition of the LZMС and its transformation into a real force.

I completely agree with this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6. We have a great morale system on our forum. And we are sure that a person with negative morale should not have the ability to register a Clan. Positive morale is a mandatory requirement for the leader of a newly created Clan.

I think the presence of "eagles" is not entirely an indicator of reputation... they can simply put "+" or "-" marks - as some people do with us (I won't name their nicknames) - I mean some kind of invisible reputation... i.e., how forum members feel about this person.... =))

..... I would like the Creator to make all this automatic =););) or will it be that way???

Why wouldn't it apply? Of course, it does.
Regarding morale.
Yes, there are people who give negative ratings for no reason or for reasons unrelated to the post. However, look at the overall picture – the people who are actually active and contributing have positive morale.
And if a person comes to the forum, makes a number of useful suggestions in the APPROPRIATE TOPICS (not off-topic or just chatting), and shares their gaming experience in the APPROPRIATE TOPICS, they will definitely have positive morale.

Why doesn't it apply? It does apply, of course.

As far as I know... the Creator told him that his clan doesn't fall under this rule yet... or am I mistaken, Chief??

Yes, there are people who give negative ratings for no reason or for reasons that have nothing to do with the post.

Yes, and they also give positive ratings for no reason... for any post... to the person they like... and they also leave negative comments for the person they don't like... but if a person really writes good posts, it's a sin not to give them a boost!!!!! And I think everyone knows what everyone is like=););)

and the pluses are also given out just like that... sometimes even for being nice :)
as well as minuses, and there are also situations where a newbie gets confused and immediately receives minuses
sorry for being off-topic

here's another example of utopia: "why should people join your clan? even with seemingly the same ideology? let's decide fairly in a 4x4 match who will join whose clan"

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2RAPER, I wonder, I gave you a plus for similar thoughts, is that right or wrong?

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in general, IMHO, it's unnecessary to come up with a completely unique ideology under other conditions (time spent on the forum and the number of posts, and even in 4 instances).

Colleagues, I've slightly edited the existing Regulations on Clans.
Let's look, discuss, and suggest.
The opinion of representatives from active clans is particularly valuable.

GENERAL PROVISIONS FOR HeroesWorld CLANS

TABLE OF CONTENTS:
1. "GENERAL PROVISIONS FOR HeroesWorld CLANS:"
2. "HOW TO CREATE YOUR OWN CLAN ON HeroesWorld"
3. "HOW TO APPLY FOR CLAN REGISTRATION ON HeroesWorld"
4. "REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CLAN REPRESENTATIVE THREAD ON HeroesWorld"

1. "GENERAL PROVISIONS FOR HeroesWorld CLANS:"
· A clan is a combat collective of like-minded individuals (players).
· A Clan Leader is mandatory.
· The concept of an "Active Forum Participant" is introduced. An active participant is someone who has left at least one message within the last 6 months.
· Any active registered HeroesWorld user with a positive morale balance of at least two "positive birds" can create a clan. After recruiting 4 active members (including the Leader), the clan is registered.
· Clan composition: 4 or more members.
· Every clan member must be a registered HeroesWorld user and an active forum participant.
· A clan may choose one or several of the following directions for its gaming activities:
Heroes 1 offline, Heroes 2 offline; Heroes 3 offline; Heroes 3 online; WoG offline; WoG online; TE offline; TE online; Heroes 4 offline; Heroes 4 online; Heroes 5 online; Heroes 5 offline.
· It is not possible to be in two clans simultaneously.
· A clan must have a Representative thread in the Inter-clan section.
· The clan's representative thread must meet the requirements set for representative threads. [Go to requirements]
· The clan leader must constantly update the Representative thread if any changes occur (after official registration of the clan on HeroesWorld, the necessary rights for this are granted).
· In the event of the Clan Leader's inactivity for more than 6 months, the clan is disbanded. However, in the event of a change of Leader (provided there are no objections from the previous leader and with the consent of at least 2/3 of the clan membership, consisting of at least 4 active members), the clan may continue to function.
· If the clan's membership is less than 4 active forum participants, the clan is given three months to complete its roster. If, after this period, the number of active members remains fewer than 4, the clan is disbanded.
· Clan activities are governed by the Forum Rules and resolutions of the inter-clan organization LZMS – League of Laws-Inter-clan Council.
· LZMS powers extend only to clans. LZMS resolutions may be either advisory or mandatory for execution.
· In the event of a clan member violating Forum Rules or violating ethical communication norms, the clan is issued a warning. After a repeat violation, a second warning is issued. Upon receiving a third warning, the clan is disbanded, and its Leader is deprived of the right to register clans for a period of 6 months. After 6 months, the former Clan Leader has the right to petition the LZMS for the restoration of their clan registration rights.

2. "HOW TO CREATE YOUR OWN CLAN ON HeroesWorld"
1. Read the General Provisions for clans on HeroesWorld
2. Gather the necessary clan composition.
3. Set up a Representative thread in the Inter-clan section.
4. Send an application for clan registration.
5. After checking the representative thread and the clan's compliance with the General Provisions for clans on HeroesWorld, the clan leader will be notified via Private Messages on the Forum regarding further actions.

3. "HOW TO APPLY FOR CLAN REGISTRATION ON HeroesWorld"
1. Click the "SUBMIT APPLICATION" link SUBMIT APPLICATION
2. In the window that appears, in the "Subject" input field, enter: "Application for clan registration {xxx}", where {xxx} is the name of your clan.
3. In the "Message" input field, enter the link to your clan's representative thread.
4. Click the "create message" button.

4. "REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CLAN REPRESENTATIVE THREAD ON HeroesWorld"
· The representative thread must contain the clan's founding date.
· The representative thread must contain information about who founded the clan and a link to their HeroesWorld profile
· The representative thread must contain information about who is currently the clan leader and a link to their HeroesWorld profile
· The representative thread must contain information about the clan membership and links to the profile of each of its members.
· The representative thread must contain information about the clan's chosen directions of gaming activity.