as well as minuses, and there are also situations where a newbie gets confused and immediately receives minuses
sorry for being off-topic
here's another example of utopia: "why should people join your clan? even with seemingly the same ideology? let's decide fairly in a 4x4 match who will join whose clan"
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2RAPER, I wonder, I gave you a plus for similar thoughts, is that right or wrong?
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in general, IMHO, it's unnecessary to come up with a completely unique ideology under other conditions (time spent on the forum and the number of posts, and even in 4 instances).