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It's been a while since I last visited, and it turns out there's some great content here. I actually suspected that Marlo wouldn't be able to resist and would speedrun Dark Man, because simply completing the map probably wasn't interesting enough for him anymore.
The text is very well-written. All the key episodes are described in detail, and for me, for example, that's more than enough to get a complete understanding of the Walkthrough. You read it, replay it in your head, and it feels like you're watching the Walkthrough live.
There's no need to even talk about the pace here – 3.4.7 is very fast. In my opinion, even if it's possible to complete it faster, I don't think it would be possible to significantly improve this result. Although, perhaps someone from the "old school" speedrunners might be interested? The map really deserves attention, and completing it is a serious challenge even for strong and experienced players.
The report once again confirms the fact that the map can be completed in different ways. There are, of course, local objectives: capturing or visiting important locations, visiting tents, obtaining keys, etc., but to achieve them, you can go either to the right or to the left, so to speak. And that's great. The fact that the AI opponents run around freely here, constantly exchanging armies and artifacts, also adds variety to the Walkthrough. As a result, each Walkthrough becomes different from the others and is unique in its own way. This, in my opinion, is another major plus of this already extraordinary map.
And, by the way, this map is currently being played by the Danish streamer haloneya. He's been playing for 2 months (started the Walkthrough back in April), has recorded 17 streams, and is still struggling with the third week. That's what's up. Apparently, he decided to speedrun it too. 
Has anyone here encountered any story-driven maps for two (or possibly more) players?
Outpost of Progress is a good example; I also remember sanyassh posting one of the early versions, Alcatraz Escape, where you have to play as two different colors right from the start.
P.S. Is a new version of Ascension planned? Or has it already been released, and I'm just not aware of it? It's the most interesting map for Heroes, after all.
P.S. Is a new version of Ascension planned? Or has it already been released, and I'm just not aware? It's the most interesting map for Heroes, after all.
I fixed a few things that weren't working, but now the task is to rework Ascension for the current version of Heroes. The main problem isn't even changing the effectiveness of logistics and artifacts to speed, but rather the scouting, which now scales with level increases, and yet my scout hero plays a key role, and I can't just abandon him. All these problems are solvable, but they require a fairly significant restructuring of the map's geometry. The fear that the Heroes team might release a patch at any moment that breaks everything again is also discouraging and slowing things down.
But, in any case, a new version will be released. I continue to play it myself, testing different scenarios. However, in my last attempt, I got stuck near the end – I forgot how to get past one spot. I'm waiting for inspiration.
Campaign name: The Fantastic Four Returns
Author: Maxuta-Phoenix
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The saga of another campaign by this author has finally come to an end. I played leisurely for about a month of real time in total. Compared to "Risen from Hell," "Fantastic 4" is both easier and harder. Easier because the missions are individually simpler, but there are more of them (12 vs. 7). Harder because they come in development blocks of 5 different storylines to unite all the heroes in the final mission of the campaign. In "Risen from Hell," all seven scenarios were a sequential development of the starting heroes.
The plot is quite simple: there is a certain Lord Max, who has grown completely decrepit with old age. So his buddies decided to save him by embarking on a quest for the components of the Wizard's Well. Overall, there isn't much text along the way, but it is presented in a very amusing, witty style. The campaign's humor reminded me of jokes about Petka and Vasily Ivanovich. The author worked especially thoroughly on the names of enemy heroes. At times, it was hard to keep from laughing.
Gameplay in the campaign is quite similar to "Risen from Hell," but the missions are not as tedious and stressful, so I got more enjoyment from the game. I won't detail all the scenarios this time, but will briefly describe the walkthrough according to the story blocks.
Anastasia's Missions
1. Artyokha's Problems
2. Mountain Pass
3. In Search of a Way Out
Anastasia (Mephala) enters the game first. Her final goal is to find the Amulet of Mana. The first two missions are probably the easiest of any I've played by Maxuta-Phoenix. In "Artyokha's Problems," you need to defeat dungeon heroes using castle troops (mainly cavalry). To do this, you'll have to fight several battles of medium difficulty to tip the balance of power in our favor. You'll also need to jump into the underground using the Dimension Door to get the Cloak of Speed. Notable: the loss condition is the death of an allied hero (!) who sits motionless in a town so the AI can actually kill him. Otherwise, based on my observations, the AI doesn't touch our roaming allies unless they block their path. Special attention should be paid to leveling the hero's secondary skills: this is the key point of the campaign, and it can only be properly figured out by studying the mission blocks beforehand. I'll post my skill leveling options for all key heroes in the screenshots.
In the second mission, you need to deal with the barbarians on the surface part of the map and the Rampart in the underground, ultimately gathering an alliance of angels and delivering it to the only Tower on the map, which cannot be surrendered to enemies (loss condition – losing the town, the most stressful loss condition in the game, in my opinion). The map reminded me of mission 3 of "Risen from Hell," with similar running around with barbarians, but in "Fantastic 4," the mission is simpler, though I still had to run a lot because the map terrain and the layout of colored border gates and monoliths significantly hinder the quick elimination of the barbarians. Before completing the mission, I fought through 4000 Azure Dragons in a head-on battle to level my hero to the maximum level 35.
Next, we deal with the famous map "In Search of a Way Out." There are three months to collect the components of the Admiral's Hat, each guarded by 700 Black Dragons. Here, the leveling from previous missions will fully catch up to us, including the set of learned spells. A non-obvious mandatory requirement: Eagle Eye for resurrection. The generation of Utopia is of huge importance. Gameplay follows this principle: you need to visit tents in different corners of the map, while fighting off enemies that come your way and recapturing accessible free castles along the path to avoid dying after 7 days without towns. In the first few weeks, you can still break through roaming heroes, but then they gather armies, and we become a punching bag for most enemies. An unreal action unfolds when the AI rushes from all sides to kill us, and we have to maneuver without room for error. All this time, we collect Minotaurs in caches along the road and try to steal the Minotaur growth in accessible AI towns. By the way, Hypnotize was very useful on this map (access to Blind is traditionally limited until the final mission). Two moments stood out: 1) the battle defending a town where I hypnotized all the enemy stacks and sent them to their deaths in the moat (melee kills were problematic due to the AI's Fire Shield buff); 2) an artifact giving immunity to hypnosis on one of the enemy leadersAlso, I got lucky with Armageddon dropping from the Necromancers in a surface town (I didn't generate it on purpose, and it helped a lot later).
Gen's Wife's Mission (Karasuchka)
4. Uprising
Lord Gen went to help his friends search for artifacts to assemble the Wizard's Well, leaving the command of Necromancer forces to his wife (Tamika) with a quarrelsome nature. The wife fell out with the Necromancers, as well as the underground dwellers who rebelled against her.
Overall, the mission looks suspiciously easy, and this hides the author's cruel intention: we will have to play against all the Necromancers we use to complete this scenario in mission 12. That is, we are leveling up our future enemies with our own hands! And we can level them so that we have to restart the campaign from this very mission 4 if we learn spells like Fly and/or Dimension Door. I figured this out in advance, so I didn't level anyone properly, but the author still managed to surprise me. All these Necromancers went into mission 12 with the troops they had left at the end of the map, which were legions of skeletons and hordes of other undead
Lord Gen's Missions
5. In the Line of Fire
6. Son of Saint Alexander
A fairly difficult branch. Lord Gen is a sort of undercover agent. Seemingly a Necromancer, but actually serving the forces of good. In the fifth mission, you need to obtain the Angel Wings. The surface part of the map is dominated by Wizards, and the underground traditionally belongs to Dungeon. Both Wizards and Warlocks caused a lot of trouble. The key to success is generating Pathfinding from the Witch Hut near the starting castle and immediately getting Logistics on level-ups, otherwise we'll be killed quickly. Another important feature of the scenario is that enemy heroes are available for re-hire by the human player, which helps control the map through the AI leaders. The turning point is buying one of the two resurrectors. But you need to remember that Lord Gen continues in the campaign, so he needs to be maximized in stats and secondary skills in this mission.
I took the sixth mission by blitzkrieg, as I didn't see a way to control the map, and I regretted it for a long time. Above are the domains of our useless ally (again, you cannot lose the allied hero, this time an active one), and in the underground, there is hell both literally and figuratively. Several Inferno flags on a cramped map, all heroes powerful and mobile, and not available for re-hire. The mission goal is to take the Talisman of Mana from the King of Hell. Since almost all towns above belong to our ally, we have virtually no source of armies. So the plan was to break into the upper left corner, take a four-stack of Cavalry, and run straight to the King of Hell, placing Fire Lords in any Inferno towns we came across along the way (I visited only about a third of the available castles). There is also a Red Ball on the map guarded by Azures, apparently a hint at a positional war option, but I didn't see any tangible benefit in it.
Vasek Skull's Missions
7. When Vasek Skull Is Sober
8. When Vasek Skull Is Drunk
9. When Vasek Skull Is in His Right Mind
From the author's description: "When Vasek Skull (Clancy) is sober, he tries to become a governor. And if that means wiping out Dwarf and Elf settlements, he'll do it, not even wiping the sweat from his bald head." Actually, the storyline of Vasek Skull begins with a punitive operation against the forest dwellers. But they will resist with all their might. Overall, a fairly standard mission with a lot of running around (the map is L-size this time instead of the usual M). Visit tents in different corners of the map, engage in a prolonged struggle with the AI. It's important to learn spells from towns on the map as much as possible; secondary skills can be leveled as you wish.
But the eighth mission surprised me considerably with its uniqueness. Vasek Skull became governor and went on such a bender that he woke up in a swamp, having forgotten all his secondary skills. On the way to the castle, events push secondary skills onto us, and these will be Mysticism, Diplomacy, Estates, Ballistics, Artillery, First Aid, Resistance, and Pathfinding. Moreover, you cannot level up in this mission, and all these skills are basic. The most curious thing is that the most useful skill from this list is probably Mysticism, since there are no guilds in towns on the map, and the well in the accessible area takes all your money for a visit. Overall, the enemies are nothing supernatural, but because our hero is a complete fool, I still had to put in considerable effort.
In the ninth mission, Vasek Skull is chased by Death. An enemy Necromancer with a huge advantage in stats, mana, and troops. And he needs to be killed. The catch is that we can't do it with our main hero because we have no arguments for a conversation whatsoever. The key to completing it is hiring auxiliary heroes and setting up dozens of ambushes on Death. The map itself is easily controlled, you just need to skillfully level up your secondary skills in this mission. It's especially important to take Scholar. This can only be done here, and it will be the path to teaching all heroes Resurrection and other magic in mission 12. Vasek Skull also picks up the last component of the Wizard's Well.
Lord Max's Missions
10. Don Quixote
11. Old Age Is No Joy
Lord Max (Gelu) decided to have some fun while the others were collecting the Wizard's Well for him. The peculiarity of Lord Max's branch is that he absolutely cannot be properly leveled in stats. He starts the game as the most pathetic weakling and ends the same way. In the first mission, Lord Max looks for the Saint's Sandals (so his feet won't sweat), and I had to artificially delay my progress to level up his Secondary Magic skill in fights with the AI on level-up (!), because with a skill level of one, the next mission was unplayable. Total chaos. Also, in mission 10, there was the longest battle of the campaign – a three-hour capture of a Gnome dwelling with a hundred, using 9 Sharpshooters and 3 Cavalry. A million restarts due to Gnome morale on grass
I liked mission 11 even more than the third one. The goal is to build a Capitol! The map takes the prize for the poorest map in Heroes from Limes Inferior. You have to cherish every ore and wood, moreover, generate ore in the only Mill on the map, and convert gold into wood at one of the external markets. And around, there are rogues. Literally. There are dozens of Rogue hiring posts on the map, and you'll have to destroy very, very many of them before you scrape together enough resources for a Capitol. Rogues with Ballistas are particularly scary
Finale
12. Reanimation
The Fantastic Four are assembled. You need to simultaneously restore order in four local areas. The mission starts with a verbal altercation between the Four and Karasuchka, after which we see who one of our enemies will be. At this point, most players probably experience real shock, as the likelihood of having to replay the campaign from mission 4 is quite high, and we see this immediately at the start of mission 12. I also realized with horror that the Necromancers came into the mission with their armies not deleted, which I couldn't even have suspected, as the campaign editor is still a dark forest to me in such matters.
The mission is very difficult and extremely intricate. Definitely the hardest in the campaign. It took me several days of planning before I even sat down to play it. You need to distribute the Four to different zones through one-way monoliths. At the same time, the enemies in the locations vary in strength, and through testing, I had to determine who could fight in which zone. The largest zone belongs to our Necromancers; the other three are Swamp Dwellers (all heroes with high defense), Barbarians (moderate in strength), and Dungeon (the toughest, with tons of mana for spamming elementals). The locations are complex in terms of logistics. In all zones, castles behind the brown tent cannot be taken. To visit the brown tent, you need all 4 heroes to simultaneously leave their zones and break through an absolutely infernally strong hero in a tower, after which you return through a buyback to the four zones. And the issue of return is very delicate. To do this, you have to use the remaining four completely zero-level heroes. In the Dungeon and Barbarian zones, these helpers must capture the central enemy town behind the brown tent. This must be timed so that in both cases, no heroes are sitting on defense, as they are all well-leveled and our weaklings won't break through. In the Swamp zone, the weakling needs to be brought from the start and protected at all costs until he reaches the island with the tavern and digs in there. For the Necromancers, the fourth hero reaches the tavern without much trouble once the other return issues are resolved. And also, on my map, the Barbarian hero Banzai was jumping around like a mountain goat using Dimension Door. He even jumped into the Swamp zone once and killed my helper near the tavern. I had to roll back a couple of days so Banzai would change his route.
In connection with all this, you need to find a flawless balance. Income on the map is very low, so you'll have to rack your brains over where and what troops to gather so that the weaklings can then simultaneously capture the central towns, and we can break through the Dragon in the tower. This Dragon really surprised me: stats of 80 against our best heroes' 20-30, nearly a thousand mana, all magic schools, spells for every taste, 45% resistance, and Tower troops with a Grail set up. I barely killed it with Mephala in the middle of the second month. The battle's difficulty was on par with particularly crazy fights from Metataxer, involving the gradual depletion of shooter ammunition, mana depletion on the brink due to elemental spam, Armageddon through resistance, and finishing off Golems with Minotaurs, which I had to think ahead to collect. And this is in a campaign from 2001!
Overall, the plan was implemented smoothly. Result: 2100 points for completing the campaign and an Archangel rank.
In the screenshots: leveling for all heroes. For Lord Gen, it would have been ideal to take Navigation instead of Eagle Eye, but it became clear too late, and I managed to manage anyway. This campaign, as I already wrote, I liked more than "Risen from Hell." Some of the author's ideas are mind-blowing, although the principle of mission setup is still more or less similar, which slightly reduces the overall positive impression.
Please explain how you managed to level Mephala to 23 Knowledge, not counting the hat for +4? For the fight against the Dragon, mana is catastrophically insufficient.
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After the Mountain Pass, your Mephala has 17 Knowledge and is level 35. She has the last mission, where she gets another 2 levels (definitely not Knowledge). I haven't found any Knowledge boosters anywhere; I don't see a way to increase her Knowledge to 23 before the final scenario.
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And what I absolutely cannot understand is how Mephala in your save after the Mountain Pass has 11 Knowledge. That is, at the end of the previous scenario, 17; in "In Search of a Way Out," 11; and in the final one, 23 (27 with the hat).
In general, there was a discussion in the thread about a simpler and, apparently, author-intended way to complete the final mission. Lord Gena could learn necromancy in his branch and summon legions of skeletons before transferring to the final map (dead units, both enemy and ours, are supposed to transfer). That is, the Dragon can simply be overwhelmed with brute skeletal force. However, for this, the campaign will have to be replayed from the middle.
Yes, Gene could have been trained in Necromancy; I thought about that and probably would have even collected a Lich Robe in the last scenario, if it wasn't prohibited.
Since no one else responded, I’ll ask kirill20148888: how should the battles you suggested be conducted? I watched it, but I couldn’t come up with a single solution.
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I bet only a few players have completed it. Did you read this?
Thank you very much, I haven't seen this description before.
Since no one else responded, I'll ask kirill20148888: how should we conduct the battles you suggested? I watched, but I couldn't come up with a solution.
I can add that I have already completed a battle similar to the third challenge, so I didn't repeat the feat, but I'm guessing it will take around 1000 attempts to find a solution. The first two can be completed in 15 and 5 minutes, respectively, if a tactic is found.
The author unintentionally left clues in the posted screenshots.
I'm guessing it will take 1000 attempts to find the solution.
And we're still waiting for the author of the puzzles to reveal the mystery.
To avoid spoiling the fun for anyone, but to encourage those who want to try: all three tactical challenges are solvable. The author unintentionally left hints in the screenshots, in the form of a set of quickly applicable spells (the column on the left).
I can add that I have already completed a battle similar to the third challenge, so I didn't repeat the feat, but I predict it will take around 1000 attempts to find the solution. The first two can be completed in 15 and 5 minutes, provided you find the right tactics.
To avoid spoiling the fun for anyone, but to encourage those who want to try: all three tactical challenges are solvable. The author unintentionally left hints in the screenshots, in the form of a set of quickly applicable spells (the column on the left).
I can add that I have already completed a battle similar to the third challenge, so I didn't repeat the feat, but I predict it will take around 1000 attempts to find the solution. The first two can be completed in 15 and 5 minutes, provided you find the right tactics.
regarding the thousand attempts to find a solution.
practice shows that this applies to all three battles. but this is a rather controversial issue. if you know a couple of game mechanics and can structure the information, then I think you won't have to try many times. there are a couple of hidden mechanics, besides one, but they are easy to discover and easy to figure out during the process of solving the puzzle.
regarding the fact that you completed something similar to the third battle. I would be interested to see it. if it's not difficult, I wouldn't refuse a link.
regarding the time spent on the battles. I guessed the first one) as far as I'm concerned, it's the easiest of all.
don't pay attention to the hints in the form of spells on the left. there aren't many spells in the spellbook anyway.
what you should pay attention to is the arrangement in the battle. that's where I forgot to mix everything up.
in general, the battles are not for everyone, let's just say.
I set myself the goal of creating something impossible.
but I still won't deny myself the pleasure of giving a few hints.
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Or maybe it's NOT accidental. I also noticed these hints. On the other hand, they may even be intentionally misleading.
This is not necessary! If the solution also comes down to the need to repeat certain actions hundreds or thousands of times (attacking enemies with fakes, etc.).
And we are still waiting for the author of the puzzles to return and reveal the secret.
hello. monotonous actions are present in these battles. it seems to me that without them, it will be difficult or even impossible to overcome the level of difficulty established in the Heroes community, called hardcore.
but I hasten to say that I would be very happy if you could guess what exactly are the routine actions that should be done in these battles.
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Also, I got lucky with Armageddon dropping from the Necromancers in a surface town (I didn't generate it on purpose, and it helped a lot later).