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The rating reflects both the Clan's activity and the individual's activity...
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The Clan is to blame if it has a low rating...
And if it's a new Clan with serious intentions
Arandor;120360
don't take people who join once, sign up, and leave, who only registered on the forum or posted a single message on the forum.
When I hear these words, I immediately see RAPER's activity, and if that's the case, then I respect him for it.
Arandor;120360

if there are no people who play often, then was it even necessary to create a Clan? They could have joined another Clan, and the activity in that Clan would have increased...
Without the respected IronAxe, even your Clan might have collapsed. And we would have been left with a few Monarchic CLANS. And if they gave MODERATORS to the Clan, then...
Arandor;120360
also, regarding the leaders... if they rarely appear due to personal reasons or simply because they've given up on the forum and the Clan, then they could transfer the Clan to other hands, to one of the Clan members... then the Clan's affairs might improve, and it might become easier for them (to relieve the responsibility, so to speak)... with a new CL, recruitment of people would resume, and so on. Together with this, activity and rating would increase...
No matter how you look at it, your words deserve a +.
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And if this is a new Clan with serious intentions,
the sound of these words immediately makes me think of RAPER's activities, and if that's the case, then I respect him for it.
And without the respected IronAxe, even your Clan might have collapsed. And we would have been left with only a few Monarchical CLANS. And if they also give MODERATORS to the Clan, then...
No matter how you look at it, your words deserve a +.


1. What do you mean by "serious"? It seems that Clans are mainly for Tournaments and the like... or for creating something... ideas about races, maps, Campaigns, etc... although a Clan is not necessary for this, just as it is for communication and common interests... and people who create a Clan with the goal of gathering people (for example, fans of Necromancer and the like) and just sitting in this Clan and doing nothing, but knowing that they are in a CLAN!!!... it would be better for such people to go and play online games like L2, Ragnarok, Ultima, RF, etc... there, Clans are not created just like that, they fight each other and so on.
2. This is completely irrelevant... what does he have to do with it?... I just don't understand why Clans (especially old ones, because they have more experience) accept people who have just registered, haven't even looked at the forum, and may have only come to Download maps...
3. I completely agree with this... the CL rarely appears, there are no recruitments either... it's a pity, but at least a couple of people are active, especially Iron Axe.

P.S. kj1313, and why did you lower my reputation? At least explain... it seems that what I wrote applies to all Clans, not just new ones

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No, they are not related. The strength of a Clan should reflect the strength of unity among its members. However, they are connected in the sense that even in an OFFLINE Tournament, they can "help" their clanmates. And in a Tournament where several players from the same Clan participate, and they also compete against each other, it is impossible to judge the real strength of the Clan as a community of like-minded people based on these results.
Such statements are perplexing. Have you never encountered team competitions? I don't believe it. Team spirit, cohesion, etc., are certainly important, but individual skill is no less important. The World Cup in football is awarded to the winning team, not the most friendly team. And no one says things like, "Give us the cup because they have a lot of stars, and we are so good."
The point is that the conditions and capabilities of our forum do not allow for the development of such battles.
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And how did the administration prevent you from gathering and playing 2 vs. 2?
It didn't encourage it (and I'm not saying that this is ONLY a shortcoming of the Clans), but it also didn't hinder it.
Those who want to will find opportunities; those who don't want to will find excuses.

2kj1313
Don't consider those who believe that Clan members should participate in Tournaments as your class enemies, especially if you think they are just attacking your Clan. Instead, encourage your comrades to participate in the 10th stage of the World Cup and the War of the Worlds. A successful performance there will easily turn opponents into allies, and the Clan will gain respect and recognition.
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Personally, I can add the following:
A person who joins a Clan (and especially creates one) must be aware of their actions. A Clan is your "second" family, and you will have to dedicate some of yourself and your time to it.
In my time, I was in a Clan, although it only had 3 members, but I still devoted a lot of time to the Clan (communication, training, Tournaments, etc.). And so did every member of our Clan. We were like a family. And we achieved success (at least, that's also a result). Our Clan took 4th place in one of the city Championships (I won't say which one, to avoid advertising, but those interested can ask me privately or on ICQ), and there were (not many, not few) 26 teams participating.
I have almost 7 years of experience in team play (not in Heroes). And I can't help but agree with Kolbazzer that a Clan is a "second family," although families, like Clans, can also be different. For a Clan to thrive, it must have a leader who is interested in the Clan's success, as well as a desire among ordinary players to achieve some Clan achievements. If a person can no longer or simply no longer wants to play, they should leave the Clan, as they will almost inevitably become the team's weak point and will drag it down.
Regarding Clans on our forum: it takes time for a new Clan to prove itself. However, there are registered Clans in which the vast majority of members have not been on the forum for a long time, and there is no longer any point in their existence.
It is difficult to hold Clan online battles 2x2 or in another format precisely because of the difficulty in finding a time that is convenient for everyone. And offline events are now purely personal Competitions, as discussion of them is prohibited on the forum (although everyone understands that discussion, say, on ICQ, cannot be prohibited. But the feeling of Clan discussion is lost), when I joined a Clan, it was possible to discuss offline Tournaments within the Clan on the forum, and we did this, and it felt like you were part of a Clan, and not just listed as a member. It is quite difficult to come up with any format for an offline Tournament specifically to determine the strength of a Clan due to the specifics of Heroes.
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2kj1313
Don't consider those who believe that clan members should participate in tournaments as your class enemies, especially if you think they are just attacking your clan. Instead, encourage your teammates to participate in the 10th stage of the VK and VV. A successful performance there will easily turn opponents into allies, and the clan will gain respect and recognition.

Give me a link to the tournaments; I don't know about the opponents, but we need respect...
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Guys!
You're a bit off-topic!
We're not discussing the possibility of holding a tournament or any other battle right now.

We're dealing with bare numbers and a decision we need to make...
The question is, what should we do with inactive clans?
What constitutes activity? I'll say it for the 100th time: it's participation in tournaments.
If there's no participation, the clan leader must explain the reason.
If there's no explanation, the entire clan should be removed. (There will be a certain period between decisions to give the clan a chance to leave).

I think my position is clear. I'm waiting for your feedback. But please explain in detail what you disagree with and what you would do instead.
kj1313
I already noticed, but as usual, it went unnoticed...
Well, what can you do? If they don't see you, they'll see me. If you have any thoughts, write to me on ICQ. There's something to discuss.
С уважением, Vlad

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In what way did the administration interfere with gathering and playing 2 vs. 2 matches?
It didn't encourage it (and I'm not saying that this is ONLY a shortcoming of the Clans).
The issue isn't just about encouragement. I'm not saying who is more to blame – I'm simply stating that, at the moment, this is a problem for the entire forum, including both the Clans and the administration... but deceiving is not good... here's your quote, in which you blamed only the Clans.
Fireball;120288
Of course, the lack of Clan battles is a huge oversight by all Clans without exception.
Fireball;120288
Those who want to, find opportunities; those who don't, find excuses.
P.S. Just don't try to be clever... I don't want to participate in another argument, but if you don't want to join any Clan, that doesn't give you the right to criticize them comprehensively...
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Xaker;120439
Guys!!!
You're going in the wrong direction!
We're not discussing the possibility of holding one tournament or another, or any other battle.

We're just looking at the numbers and the decision we need to make...
The question is, what do we do with inactive clans???
What constitutes activity? I'll say it for the 100th time. It's participation in tournaments.
If there's no participation, the clan leader must explain the reason.
If there's no explanation, the clan should be removed. (There will be a certain period between decisions to give the clan a chance to leave)

I think my position is clear. I'm waiting for your feedback. But please explain in detail what you disagree with and what you would do instead.

I already pointed it out, but as usual, it went unnoticed...
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Guys!!!
I think my position is clear. I'm waiting for your reaction. But please, explain in detail what you disagree with and what you would do instead.
The funniest thing is that I have to explain to you how to knock on an open door. You only have three options:
1. Agree with me.
2. I'll think about it.
3. I have nothing to say, so I'll just DELETE it.
P.S. You would have liked to have the power of a Guild Leader. That's why you were so upset when you voted against it.
These are not my personal views! This is a decision that needs to be made in one situation or another. And the fact that the decision is not in your favor is the fault of those who did not convey the essence correctly.

And regarding the open door: "please, explain in detail what you disagree with and what you would do instead." You (and not just you!) always read carelessly.

P.S.: The Guild Leader has no political or any other power. If you haven't read Alexei Pank's topic, then we have nothing to discuss.
It's very reasonable to change the phrase that I wrote my post about (I approve). And add your answer to my post (that's cool too). You can even edit my words (you have that ability). But overall, I'm just outraged by your behavior as a moderator.
P.S.2 Please, respond to my post either in a private message (I hope you know how to do that) and don't perform in public (what's wrong with your moderator abilities? You're doing well with them).
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I don't quite understand the reason for eliminating inactive clans.
Are they technically slowing down the forum, or are they just an eyesore?
In any case, someone responsible should determine a time period to decide which clans are inactive and which are not (e.g., 1-3 months)... and if the issue is simply cleaning up the forum, it seems strange that they started with the clans....
Why not start by cleaning up topics like "New Year's greeting from the 'no name' clan" and so on.
The question was raised not by me, but by the respected Reper. And "cleaning up clans" is not the right word... it's just that a clan is not active, and the question arises as to the purpose of its existence.
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I don't quite understand the reason for eliminating inactive clans?
Do they technically slow down the forum's performance, or are they just an eyesore?
In any case, someone responsible should determine a time frame to identify which clans are inactive and which are not (e.g., 1-3 months)... and if the issue is simply cleaning up the forum, it seems strange that they started with the clans....
Why not start by cleaning up topics like "New Year's greetings from the 'no name' clan" and so on.

I've already suggested something along those lines: warn the leaders of "inactive" clans about the deletion, but setting a time limit would also be good.

See, it's already been said: if you want to clean things up, focus on inactive topics – there are definitely around 20 of them that can be deleted permanently.
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I already suggested something similar, to warn the leaders of the "dead" clans about their removal, but the deadline is also not bad.

See, it was already said that if you want to deal with cleaning, focus on the dead topics – there are about 20 of them that can be permanently deleted.
I'll explain it simply!!!!
1) Each clan gets its own separate subforum!!!!
2) 20 topics don't put as much load on the forum as 20 subforums in which no one communicates anyway.....
3) Warning the leaders (of dead) clans, I think, is useless because many of them haven't appeared since NNNNN.

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ps A couple of dead clans can also be deleted permanently – and I think this won't bother anyone, because neither the leader nor the clan members are active on the portal!
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Well, in that case, why the heck did he start all this drama? They could have removed the clans a long time ago.
I'll explain it simply...
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pps regarding inter-clan battles: 1) offline - they can be held as part of one of the offline tournaments. 2) online - they are held quite often! that's all... the question is different... 3-4 clans participate in all of this!!!! and what the others are doing - I don't know!!!! that's how it is.

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Well, in that case, why the heck did you start all this nonsense? They could have deleted the clans a long time ago. I'll answer simply...
and you should watch your words!!!!! you just don't understand!! you weren't even on the portal when the clans were being organized!!!! and what it was like then!!!! and what it is now!!!! I think you're just afraid for your clan - because it won't be very active (although it doesn't seem that way to me)!
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I always pay attention to what people say, and I think it's time to stop escalating the conflict. I've already said everything I wanted to say in this thread...
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