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Well, you know, there aren't any other viable combinations right now.
And there shouldn't be any. Only as a last resort. I don't believe in the combination of Nefele and Tox at all.
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I'm sticking to my plan: **NNV** today and a vote for Boli at night. There's too much confusion in the thread; clues pointing to two different mafia members have been linked to one player, and clues have been added for someone else... There's a high risk of lynching an innocent player now. And if someone is to be lynched today, it should be Tox, because:

1) He's already given a lot of information in the thread, and I remembered Yashur's advice (listen to Tox first, then lynch Tox).
2) Maybe it's just me, but Tox seems to be trying to implicate himself with Nevela or through a check. If so, I don't believe a word he says, and he's a clear candidate for mafia. If not, he's a bit off his rocker with his personal motives.
Again, Tox actively defended Nevela early on simply because she had only one post (due to real-life stuff). I think it was worth it, as she came back and provided some quite interesting clues. Why are you fixating on these "personal" motives of Tox, while the same strange arguments from Arandor don't seem to bother you at all? I'm probably in agreement with Yashur , but I really don't want to lynch Tox, either in the previous game or this one. Reading his theories gives me the exact same feeling as before his last lynching.

Clues appeared against Arandor, and now the thread is "confusing," and "there's a high risk of lynching an innocent player." Convenient. Wasn't the risk high with the previous clues as well? Do you think those clues were more solid than the new ones? Some of the new clues appeal to me much more than the first ones.

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Honestly, the clues only gave me a slight desire to lynch all the listed candidates, but it's the behavior of these candidates that has pushed me the most towards lynching Arandor. For now, I don't like MasteR's reaction, but there are no clues, so I'm not against waiting; there's still time.

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Now I'm going to sleep, and Crabby and I might not be in the thread for the rest of the day. So, I'll be genuinely happy if I come back and see Arandor lynched. It would also be nice to go for NNV; it's up to you.
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Evidence pointing to Arandor emerged, and now the topic has become "complicated," and "there is a great risk of wrongly condemning an innocent person." Convenient. Wasn't the risk just as great with the previous evidence? Do you think that the previous evidence was more solid than the new evidence? Some of the new evidence appeals to me much more than the initial evidence.

It's much simpler. I warned before the start that I would have difficulties with the game due to work. While I had time, I tried to guess the clues and understand what was happening. Today, I can only read superficially. Tox's behavior caught my attention yesterday, and I expressed my opinion about him, which should have been heeded. I don't trust Tox at all, so Arandor is just suspicious to me, even if the clue seems to fit. I haven't checked it.
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It's much simpler than that. I warned before the start that I would have difficulties with the game due to work. While I had time, I tried to guess the clues and understand what was happening. Today, I can only read superficially. I was intrigued by Tox's behavior yesterday, and I expressed my opinion about him, which should have been heeded. I don't trust Tox at all, so Arandor is just suspicious to me, even if the clue seems good. I didn't check it.

Okay, this answer reassured me; I can still trust you. :)

I understand your reaction about Tox and that it's worth questioning him, but regarding the execution, it's now 50/50 between Nefela and Arandor, in my opinion, and the amount of information from these two executions would probably be the same. Nefela, in turn, became inactive and came to the thread with good clues and possible theories, while Arandor decided "not to execute strong players just because they are strong" (I didn't see any other particularly compelling arguments), and it's easier for him to execute an inactive player than to question someone like you. Isn't that beneficial for the town?

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Okay, let's do the math. Let's assume that the Mafia is successfully killed every night, and the pain doesn't escalate. NNV: Night 6-3, day 5-3, there's even room for error; it will then be 3-3, but we have an unkillable pain. Killing a town member: Night 5-3, day 4-3, if we make another mistake, we lose, unless Pain pulls it off. Killing a Mafia member: Night 6-2, day 5-2, let's assume we make one mistake; then night 4-2, day 3-2, we kill the Mafia member and win 2-1. NNV doesn't give us extra room for error; the only thing we'll get is extra information from the newspaper, but there isn't much of it anyway without a blocker. I wouldn't rely too much on Pain, considering the Mafia has a blocker, a main Mafia member protection, and a possible mistake from the town protector. Let's take the risk. **Kill Arandor.**
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Nefela, in turn, provided valuable insights and potential theories, while Arandor decided "not to punish the strong simply because they are strong" (I didn't see any particularly compelling arguments beyond that), and it's easier for him to eliminate an inactive player than to question you. Is this beneficial for the town?

Arandor is becoming increasingly valuable to me, but this is due to Tox, not Arandor.

Nefela, I have a question for you. Perhaps you've already mentioned this, but I can't focus on the topic right now, as it's difficult for me to interrupt the Mafia game. In short, don't you find Tox's attempt to reveal himself through a connection with you strange? Don't you see anything suspicious about this?
SpoilerIf the answer is unclear or confirms the connection, I see a very good target for Boli tonight.
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Execute Arandor - 5 (ToX, Nefela, Heroist, Macca, Graf Orlov)
Execute Nefela - 2 (Arandor, Crabby)
No New Votes - 1 (MasteR)

5 votes are required for execution.
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So, strong players can't be executed just because they are strong? Honestly, your point of view seems weaker in this argument.
Where have you seen me write that? If I'm against executing strong players because Tox is somehow afraid of them, that doesn't mean I'm advocating for the opposite.
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Well, it's unlikely that both Arko and I are peaceful; either two mafia are putting on a show, or there's some negativity involved...
In that case, you're mafia, lol. Or you've just forgotten how to play.
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I only noticed now, while rereading the thread, that both Arandor and Crabbi voted for me based on questionable (in my opinion) arguments. Would mafia do that? Who knows. Maybe they're counting on it, or maybe not, and I'm just slandering them.
So, the clue "I-V war - Gumilev - Poet parents - poetry in the quest of Nefela" are questionable reasons, while long chains with bibles and other nonsense are perfectly valid, considering that you can find almost anything there and link it to anyone. I even like Crabbi's connection between Mormons and the cultists from Venta more than your versions, and that's despite him defending me.

I remember that many used to always be in favor of execution to get information from it, but now everyone has this strange argument. It's clear. If I'm executed, I hope the armchair psychologists will understand that it's very stupid to rely on some personal assumptions that are not confirmed by facts, except for "it seems to me."

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It would be nice if the town were tricked by ToX again. So, I'm increasingly leaning towards the idea that he's Mafia. Even if peaceful ToX is hysterical, I think he's playing more thoughtfully. Isn't that right? Here, he's constantly flitting around, asking questions about the players, trying to find a pair (he may have already found one), and at the same time, figuring out other roles. If he has found a pair, it's easier to convince them, because that's immediately +2 votes, not just one. If, again, he's Mafia, they know the status of one of the players (I doubt Fragment was checked on the first night). I wouldn't be surprised if they visited someone from those he tried to lead to execution. There's logic in that, if they got some useful information. And now the question arises: who from the list is the clueless town member?
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Execute Arandor - 5 (ToX, Nefela, Heroist, Macca, Graf Orlov)
Although there's also Gumer, who hasn't voted yet. Master and Crabby are slightly less suspicious because of the execution, but that doesn't automatically clear them, considering that there might be enough town members. Let's assume that ToX is Mafia. He persuades Nefela, who wanted to leave, to stay in the game. Either they're on the same team and it's more convenient for him to play that way, or because she's easy to persuade even if she's a town member, and besides, she might be grateful to him for saving her from execution (if all the evidence against her is wrong). Macca basically doesn't know anyone and can't objectively evaluate anyone, let alone based on psychology. But I don't like his posts at all. He hasn't been writing anything lately except accusations against me, completely ignoring everything else. Alex and Heroist either forgot about ToX's game, or one doesn't care, and the other is Mafia. In my opinion, it's quite strange that they both fell for my story, and that too without any real evidence. Maybe it's because it was night and their brains were switched off. P-psychology. Of course, I don't rule out other possibilities, but to a lesser extent, considering how everyone has become active overnight while I was sleeping. If you don't want to execute anyone else but me, let's go into a Night Neutral Vote and apply ToX's plan for the night, but against me? Let the Sniper come to me and kill me. If I'm Mafia, the town has almost won. If I'm town, the town will get a lot of information and still have a chance to win. Simply, if I'm town and I'm executed, and at night there's a Mafia kill and a Sniper kill, which might miss, then that's almost a guaranteed loss. So, I suggest you think about it and don't make mistakes.

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Although there's still Gumer, who hasn't voted yet.

I did vote, though for Krabi, but I see new trends here.

Cancel Krabi's execution, Execute Arandor :>

Come on then. Take a sit and have a drink. We can watch life pass on by.

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Okay, well, congrats to the Mafia on the win. These aren't very enjoyable games when there are few active and leading players, and generally, just few players overall. There's no real discussion or anything, and the Mafia just needs to convince a couple of inactive players, and that's it. So, these passive players basically have to choose between two options, and they clearly don't have a clear choice.
Right now, they're going to "execute" me, tonight -1 town member, then a particularly clever Mafia member will choose a town member (from the list of those who voted) who fell for the "arguments" for my execution, and they will naturally be eliminated, because some town members are clearly not interested in the game and won't even want to think for themselves, considering other candidates. And then it's just a matter of course.
Apparently, the town thinks that Master and Crabby are on my team, that's why they're not executing me. IQ 500, indeed.

Nebok, it's better to release the newspaper in the evening, not during the day. Just saying. Right now, there's no one around, and no one will change their vote even if they want to.
It's a shame there isn't a role that extends the day.

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Nebok: It's better to release the newspaper in the evening, not during the day.
Yes, I thought so too.
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If Arandor is a town, then the actions of the town members that day are completely unclear to me and cause confusion. I don't believe that Tox is there, and I don't believe that Nefela is there. Their game should have raised serious questions, but instead, the town members simply followed their lead.

If I'm wrong and Arandor is the mafia, it will ruin my entire understanding of what's happening, mostly because of Tox and his inadequate play as a town member.

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And yes, if Arandor turns out to be a town, then Boli doesn't need to go to Krabby. Either to Nefela then, or to Tox to reduce their protection.
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If Tox and Nefela were a pair, they might try to find the real killers to protect themselves, and in the end, they would simply turn their aggression towards one of those who had advocated for Nefela's execution from the very beginning. For the town, such a game would be completely unproductive, but for the Mafia, it would be perfectly acceptable.

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it turns out there's a singer named Yuta :)
I don't know if anyone has written about this before, or not; I might have missed some messages (like with the Mormons).

Alex logs in, reads the thread, but doesn't remove his vote... oh well.

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