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To be honest, after the second day, I ran out of steam in some ways – since I knew that Tox was being blocked by the Mafia, not by Eddie, I leaned towards the idea that he was at least not on their team, which is why I eventually removed my vote from him. Locken did the same, which meant that Tox's execution could have been prevented even after everything that happened that day, but Tox didn't calm down even after that and continued to psychologically pressure the players, which is why I eventually added my vote back (when I wrote to Lynx that I was going to execute him as a Town member, it was highly likely to be true). For me, it's still a mystery why he panicked right after the newspaper came out... I'm 95% sure that if Tox hadn't acted so provocatively, the execution wouldn't have happened, regardless of the poll's outcome – there were still peaceful roles that could have protected him. And after Fragment's execution, there was absolutely no information in the newspapers that could be used to come to any incriminating conclusions against specific players, so I had nothing left to do but go with the flow and continue to block Nebo to prevent the number of Town deaths from increasing. Would I have executed Lynx instead of Humer or Mackey? 100% - yes. But there was nothing concrete to tie it to, so I didn't even want to try – either way, it would have been a guessing game.
Well, yes, when there weren't any kills yet, you could confidently go into No Newbie Zone, but he just annoyed me. I might have forgiven such behavior from a female player, I would have thought twice, but it was simply disgusting. And I tried to eliminate this unpleasantness from the game as soon as possible.
Happy Life
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A funny game. Toksu gets a minus for low-level blackmail and hysterics (on HW, and especially in 2020, people don't care; a bullet to the head and the problem is solved - and that's right, this is the CIS, where people were killed in alleys with an axe for a chewing gum wrapper or just a crooked look), but a plus for the second half of the day, when the tears dried up, and only harsh masculine determination remained. Others who chatted with me over a cup of tea those days also get a plus (Sky, Lynx, Lizard, maybe someone else). And then I died and stopped reading. It's a pity that I didn't see much of Nefelu.
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
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It was a crazy game, so much happened...
When they eliminated three peaceful players through isolation on the first night, I was a bit disheartened. And the non-blocking investigation kept revealing the identities of players who were still alive and targeting me. This time, I didn't have a double vote, and there was no "father figure" to intimidate, and the beginning felt similar to the previous game. The lack of kills also didn't provide much motivation. It was hard to get involved during the day, and when the drama with Tox started, I wasn't really in the mood to engage in discussions, limiting myself to a couple of posts.
Then Tox was eliminated, and we got our first kill. As the third day arrived, I finally managed to get into the game. With Tox and Loken gone, statistically, I was the most likely villain, so it was time to actively participate. And then... by a ridiculous coincidence, I broke a finger at work that day. I had to go to the hospital. I knew that if I didn't return to the game after the initial burst of activity, I would likely be eliminated. I tried to influence the situation while at the hospital, and I told the Moderator to vote for Yashur. I don't know why I chose him; I thought that if it wasn't me who was eliminated, it would be Yashur rather than Nebo. But I was eliminated, and in reality, I didn't even have time to properly play during the day.
All that was left was to play in the chat, think about actions, and come up with crazy theories... x) I still wanted to win, and the last thing I wanted was to leave the girls alone and lose. However, during the day, they managed without me anyway.
In general, congratulations on the win! **Neira** and **Lynx** definitely deserved it; they put a lot of time and effort into this, despite all the difficulties. And it was also interesting to play with them; we didn't lose hope, and the chat always maintained a positive atmosphere, except for the particularly confusing and chaotic moments of the game, which had a strong impact on us. But we all recovered afterward. And I... well, I was eliminated too early. I tried to be helpful in the chat, but I tended to overthink things, although I rarely changed the plan of action. It's a good thing we didn't get completely confused. I really would have liked to continue playing during the day, but it wasn't meant to be.
Now, about the other players:
**Krabby**, great game on the last day; you did everything right. Thank you for choosing us and not the maniac.
**Nebo**, we weren't sure until the very end who the survivor was; we suspected so many people... So, you managed to hide, and as for the kills... well, everyone had bad luck, and now it's clear why.
**Revan**, sorry that we blocked you throughout the game; the logs explain why... Now it's clear that it wasn't necessary to do that. But you also managed to expose us on the first day, x)
**Alex**, I liked your game. Your bait on the third day triggered me, and that's what I needed to get motivated. I really wanted to continue our conversation, but it didn't work out. I probably confused you somehow, which is why you later eliminated peaceful players. But who knew, without any information. However, targeting Lars was a bad idea; it didn't work, and it also made you seem suspicious to us.
**Yashur**, you played pretty well overall, but you stood out too much with your votes. Did you want people to suspect you? With that role, it might make sense. And you certainly compromised your principles on the last day. By the way, you're not entirely right about Charlie; he could have independently countered the Mafia at night if the targets were two Mafia members; they wouldn't have been able to kill.
Thank you all for the game; it was interesting. Thank you to the team, girls, you are great! **Moderator**, you did a great job; thank you for the setup and for your attention and decisiveness.
MasteR
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I wanted to discuss the individual performances, but Neyra has already covered everything.
I'll reiterate that I enjoyed the town game. Yes, there wasn't much information in the news in the last few days, but that was mainly due to the Mafia and Tox. The psychological aspect really kicked in. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's great when, until the very end of the game, there isn't a clear table showing 100% certainty about everyone's roles. Until the last day, everything could have shifted in one direction or another. Crabby didn't really know who was playing in the Mafia. He could have easily voted for Lynx, and the final outcome would have been completely different. This style of play is more demanding and unpredictable, but also more interesting.
Crestfallen Ariake, honestly, I didn't expect to see you as one of the town's leaders with high activity; you were a pleasant surprise. Towards the end of the game, it was noticeable that your motivation had waned, but until you were revealed, you played very well, and your intuition was excellent.
Graf Orlov, another pleasant surprise. You were very active and immediately established yourself as almost a 100% town member, and others were willing to follow you. Some of your posts simply made my day. Especially post #515, which was simply the best. It helped me to relieve some stress on that difficult day.
Nefela, at first, you lacked activity, but that changed later. You completely confused the Mafia; they thought you were Cliff for almost the entire game. You played very well during the executions; I don't remember you ever voting against a town member. I don't think so. Your accuracy in night actions was amazing – every investigation had a middling IQ. And your decision to use Mind Control at the end of the night decided the fate of Nebo and Yashchur (I had already gathered evidence against Nebo at that point, and then this happened:)).
Goomer, I understand that you were probably just trying to joke, not reveal yourself. Still, it would have been better to ask me if it was okay to do that. I hope you understand and aren't offended by me.
Zlobny Yashchur, you played well, but you brought a lot of chaos into the game. At one point, I thought you were deliberately trying to get yourself killed to clear your name 100%. You certainly didn't have much luck with your cover, in every sense of the word.
ToX, you were extremely responsible and highly motivated. Overall, that's good, but everything needs to be in moderation. The second day was quite tiring and stressful for me. But you are still one of the reasons why this game will be remembered. I hope the right conclusions will be drawn regarding the killings.
Morning, the game would have definitely been more fun if you hadn't died so early. I think the role suited you well, but if it weren't for all the chaos on the second day, who knows how things would have turned out.
macca, if you had been a little more active and participated more in the executions, things could have gone differently. I hope this isn't your last game here.
Fragment, Mestear, Neyko, you are a great team, a real team. You played strongly during the day, created a lot of chaos at night, and were determined to fight until the end. You deserved to win; congratulations again!
Crabby, apart from a couple of chaotic actions at night, I think you played perfectly for such a very difficult role. Congratulations on the victory!
Nebo, you also played the role of the Serial Killer very well, but you were unlucky at night. Everything could have turned out completely differently if it hadn't been for Nefela's Mind Control.
Thank you all again for participating! I hope I managed to make this game interesting.
But nothing stopped anyone. After all, the main goal was to kill the murderer.
Yes, that's true.Evil Lizard
This is thanks to you and Nefela. It doesn't excuse him....
By the way, Nebo, you definitely knew my role. You knew that the peacemaker was lynched (or not?). Why did you go after the peacemaker? If Graf and Rev remained, they would definitely have won against the 3 ghosts, right?
The first time, your killing wasn't critical, and besides, you wanted to lynch me, which you eventually did. The second time, I simply copied the previous night's action, thinking that the mafia had figured me out and would block me anyway.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт Небо – угроз не слышит Небо – ведёт особый счёт Небо – тебя найдёт
Thanks to everyone for the game and for the posts about me; I enjoyed it. I'll gladly join if there's another Mafia game.
save animals, eat the rich
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Fragment
suspicions of being a lizardman
Uh... Excuse me, what???Fragment
You definitely compromised your principles on the last day.
What "principles" are you talking about? If they had identified the serial killer after at least 4 rounds, I would have hanged him without hesitation... But there were only 3 rounds, so...Fragment
You're not entirely right about Charlie, he could have independently countered the mafia at night if the targets were two mafia members; they wouldn't have been able to kill.
Ah... Well, I guess I'm the only one who thinks that the foundation for the mafia is night actions and nighttime play, while for the town it's information and daytime play.:( Without the right information, all these town night actions are worthless. Tox and Massa will confirm...MasteR
Evil Lizardman, played at a decent level, but brought a lot of chaos into the game. At one point, I thought you were deliberately trying to get yourself hanged to clear your name 100%.
Well, I wouldn't say I wanted to be hanged... Let's just say... I wasn't strongly opposed to it.:D If they were going to hang someone and one vote was missing, I probably would have added mine. What's the harm? It would have resulted in a legitimate adept...
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно. Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится. (Закон сохранения).
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Yay, victory! And I didn't even think I'd make it to the end...
It's a very unusual game, probably the strangest of all the ones I've played. Knowing only a few roles throughout the game and still trying to help the mafia, not just during the day but also at night – that's tough %) Neyra, sorry for the block, I thought you were Salzman)))
I'll start by saying that I didn't really like the initial setting; it seemed like a lot of different roles were thrown together, but they weren't connected in any way. But MasteR managed to connect them all into one story, which was interesting to read, so huge respect to him!
Also, it was great that almost everyone actively participated in the game, writing long texts and trying to help their team.
I especially enjoyed playing with Graf Orlov, although I tried to subtly shift all the responsibility for the executed onto him %) It seems like we haven't played together before (or I just forgot), but I'd like to play with you on the same team again.
I feel bad for Morning; he was eliminated quickly, so he didn't have time to really develop in this game.
Crestfallen Ariake, it's a shame that your strength waned; it was noticeable in your messages. I think you could have steered the city in the right direction and won the game, but you just lacked a bit of audacity) A little more pressure from your side, and our words wouldn't have sounded so bad. And if you had followed up with facts, you could have led the city to victory; I'm sure people would have followed you.
Zlobny Yashchur, your game as a city member was top-notch; if I were a city member, I would definitely vote for you every day %) Especially cool was the execution of everyone on the last day)))
Nefelu, I honestly didn't quite understand you, even though I tried to read carefully. Now I see what you meant, and if the city had listened to you, things could have been very different))
ToX, Goomer, I hope you're not offended; I just got into the role)) Nebo, my son, played excellently; it was fun to watch how you sometimes dodged questions or deflected blame %)
Well, and of course, the Ghost team I was sure until the end of the game that Neyko was a town member. I even wanted to check his role on the first night, play as a pair, and confuse the city together. I didn't get to find out his role, but we still had to play on the same team, haha Fragment didn't have much luck; if he hadn't been executed then, he might have made it to the end of the game. Mestear sometimes gave himself away as a mafia member, but we didn't focus on that, and the town members, it seems, didn't notice, so everything went smoothly.
Thank you all for the game; it was very cool! I don't quite agree with you about ToX and Goomer – I understand that they could have ruined the game (but they didn't), but they still added some excitement and action. In ToX's case, I'm sure it was genuine, so there's nothing wrong with that. He still kept himself in check, although it seems like he was ready to tell everyone what we were all like ))) Well, Goomer, it seems, signed up for the game for no reason; maybe he didn't have the time or desire, etc.
Once again, respect to MasteR for a super complex but excellently run game!
When is the next one :)
Added 2 minutes ago P.S. Let's not announce the list of participants for the next game so that Neyra doesn't have an excuse not to sign up %)
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Ghost of a girl
Sky, my son, played excellently, it was clear that you sometimes dodged questions or shifted the blame, and it was fun to watch %)
A virgin, with two children))
Everything was fine, I answered, there's no need to shift the blame...
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When is the next one?
Maybe I'll open it tomorrow. Maybe on the weekend.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт Небо – угроз не слышит Небо – ведёт особый счёт Небо – тебя найдёт
Would I have, for example, executed Lynx instead of Gumer or Mackie? 100% - yes. But there was nothing concrete to tie it to, and therefore I didn't want to even try - it would have been just guessing.
There was no doubt about that. If someone wants to initiate my execution, I will most likely end up being hanged. Because in 70% of cases, or thereabouts, I will be Mafia, so no one will lose anything.Crabby
Mestear sometimes gave herself away as Mafia, but we didn't focus on it, and the Townies, it seems, didn't notice, so everything went smoothly.
I tried to maintain a neutral position. Not too Town, not too Mafia, maybe a Serial Killer. This way, I made it clear to the girl that it was better not to mess with me.
And as for how the Townies play - I don't know. When was the last time I had a Town role? Probably in 1990, right? lol
Thank you all for the game.
But I think this will be my last. The efforts I put in, especially on the last day, don't really pay off in the end, and I'm remembered as a noob who just writes "gg, wp" in any unclear situation. There's nothing I can do about it.
Good luck to everyone in future games.
Что такое осень - это небо Плачущее небо под ногами
But I think this will be my last. The effort I put in, especially on the last day, doesn't seem to pay off much, and you'll be remembered as someone who, in any unclear situation, just writes "gg, wp".) There's nothing you can do about it.
You were completely immersed in the game; after that, I would definitely want to take a good break. It's a shame if this really is your last game; maybe someday you'll be able to just chill and play casually.
But I think this will be my last. The effort I put in, especially on the last day, doesn't seem to pay off much, and you end up being remembered as a noob who just types "gg, wp" in any unclear situation.) Nothing can be done about it.
Oh, come on, what difference does it make what people write on the forum?
You're playing for your own enjoyment, aren't you?)
Let's play again, maybe we'll end up on the same team, and we can write "gg" together, that would be more fun).
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I am slowly enjoying the aftermath of this game, so for now, I am dedicating the post solely to the log. I haven't read the thread beyond it.
Night Zero
Злобный Ящур (Сюзанна) chooses ToX (Джанетт) as their cover (cover fails; Джанетт is a woman)
And I had a gut feeling that Сюзи would pick me, if it wasn't a complete newbie. :D Good thing I turned out to be a chick in this setting. Second night in a row
The Ghost of the Head Guard does not change items, the Ghost of the Head Doctor does not change status.
Now that's an interesting decision. I would still change things; it would be interesting to hear what motivated it. Night Two
I'm curious, Ящур, who did you think I was by day two, knowing I visited Morning, and that Morning had no night actions in the newspaper that night... You didn't even vote to hang me back then; I'm interested in your logic. Night Two
8. Небо (Выживший) checks statuses 1 and 2 of Злобный Ящур (Сюзанна). Female / IQ: Average.
Aha, so that's the move that stopped me from figuring out the roles correctly by the end of the game. I thought Nэйра was the Survivor, based on the logic that if it were Небо, he would have had a kill window on night two, but no kill happened. Небо, if I may ask, why did you decide not to kill anyone right away? Night Two
9. Mestear (Призрак главного охранника) kills (physical attack) ToX (Джанетт) with block and isolation ignore. Fail. ToX is under Клифф's protection.
Three mafia night actions on me! THREE, GODDAMNIT, THREEEEE! Now I'm even more hyped about this game... Night Two
10. ToX (Джанетт) heals Morning (Чарли).
Bro, as promised, I played with you until the very end. Even when you sold me out with the swap, I couldn't think of a better idea than to play along with the alliance declared during the day and not go heal you. Night Two
11. Граф Орлов (Зальцман) heals Crestfallen Ariake (Эдди). Special ability to restore protection activated.
Bravo. Excellent move. I don't know how you pulled it off, whether you guessed or deduced it, but it was a good hit. Night Two
12. Morning (Чарли) performs a Night Action swap on Небо (Выживший) and ToX (Джанетт). Result: Небо - Male, ToX has points.
<3 <3 <3 Ult
13. Crabby (Призрак девушки) reflects good.
Master, I don't know how you managed it, but maybe you can explain the description specifics to us? All players in the know thought it was a reflection of evil based on the description... Night Four
6. Goomer (Клифф) protects Небо (Выживший). Redirection to Злобный Ящур failed; he is isolated.
Interesting. Based on the mechanic descriptions, I understood it like this: if Сюзи uses her ult and gets isolated, the night actions on her are successfully redirected but fail. Night Four
9. Небо (Выживший) checks statuses 1 and 2 of Граф Орлов (Зальцман). Male / IQ: High.
And still no kill... It was precisely this inactivity from the maniac that made me mix up the negative roles. I'll be honest, I was watching the game, and after Макки's execution I had correctly identified 5 negative roles (with the possible error of including Нефела and Ящур), but I wrote Небо down as a girl, precisely because as the Survivor he already had two kill opportunities, but didn't use them... And for me, the mafia ended up being Линкс-Фрагмент-Крабби. Night Four
10. Nэйко (Призрак настоятеля) kills (physical attack) Crestfallen Ariake (Эдди) without leaving evidence. Result: Fail. Эдди's natural protection triggered. 11. Граф Орлов (Зальцман) heals Crestfallen Ariake (Эдди). Redirection to Злобный Ящур failed; he is isolated. Special ability to restore protection activated.
Alex keeps carrying to the end, playing in a team with Реван, and saving his skin. Night Five
A bunch of blocks, isolations, successful cleansing from Ларс, in short, it's no wonder everyone was confused by then
Probably the funniest night for the GM... It's tough to properly document how and what should be displayed here. Night Six
7. Mestear (Призрак главного охранника) kills (physical attack) Нефела (Ларс) with heal ignore.
And there it is, the mafia's winning move! Taking advantage of all the blocks being focused on Небо and Nэйра, they unleash Линкс to hunt - and she brings victory to her team!
GG WP, mafia! I can't say it was the best mafia game, but it was decent enough. Given a town that was fumbling and a maniac who never successfully killed anyone, you didn't get lost and quickly secured your win, well done!
Added 9 minutes later ToX's will, which no one followed anyway, lol
I'm leaving you Нефела, Nэйра, Алекс, Гумер, and Макку as good!
So I was wrong about Nэйра... I underestimated the mafia's audacity and the fact that they would start pressuring me from the beginning of the day. It seemed to me more like a town move, and that the mafia, if they immediately started campaigning for an execution, would expose themselves. But apparently, nobody cared; everyone remembered that I threw a vote on myself as a provocation, not that Nэйра initiated the vote on me, I get it. Execution Results
Well, yeah, there were 4 negative roles there. I already talked to Morning in PM, I understand why he voted, whatever. With Граф - it's also clear, he had one role on me; I said something stupid about Чарли on day one, and now I'm saying I have a strong role, so as far as he was concerned, I couldn't possibly be good, that's fine too. Реван, tell me, did you finish me off out of principle? Or because I was a negative role?
Added 37 seconds later Well, now I'll finally go read the thread, catch all the tomatoes with my face, and then write a reply.
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ToX has become a legend again; I don't know if he's happy about it. But that day was unpleasant to read, and I understand why the town executed you. Not everything always goes the way you want. You can't carry every game. Sooner or later you'll lose. If all you do is win, it means you're playing against weak opponents. A victory achieved by ignoring the rules doesn't count. I don't quite understand why you created dozens of pages of spam. That only causes irritation. I don't believe people change, of course, but I hope you'll draw at least some conclusions.
Never mundane, always notorious! I'm collecting quotes as I go, writing the post "live," but I have things to say, so it'll all be below. Author
So, here we are at the part where my ass is going to start exploding. So, ToX and Goomer. The first one threw hysterics, whined, gave ultimatums, and acted like a juvenile idiot who logged into an adult's account between nap time and the potty in kindergarten. In the end, he may not have flipped Town, but he certainly frayed everyone's nerves, especially ours and Master's. Ironically, as Локен threatened in the thread, he can only blame ToX for his death, because if ToX hadn't exposed his role to everyone with his night actions (well, game mechanics), and hadn't pushed things with his hysterics, forcing us to kill Чарли so he wouldn't expose Fragment (who then got executed during the day lol). But overall, as a person, ToX has left an indelible impression. But we were ready to endure that. However, seeing how Нефела actively defended ToX, as if she absolutely knew he was good (which, one wonders, how?), we assumed she was Клифф and were even a bit happy. Then the inactive Goomer started whining that mean players were executing him for being indifferent to the game (he had just joined anyway) and made a themed adept, which just ruined my mood as a player (and a mafia member should be happy about a good-aligned adept), and also confused us (well, the guys were reasoning based on last game's experience, and I was also insisting that Нефела was Клифф). Honestly, what I've written is just a small part of the butthurt that Master, Link, and Fragment got to experience. I just don't want to keep pouring out tons of crap, especially since I've practically calmed down now. But on one thing, I will remain true to myself—this was my last game with Goomer and especially ToX as players, even though the latter revived mafia on ХВ. I simply don't want to deal with someone who, as an adult, is not ready to play like a normal person without hysterics, whims, and infantile decisions. It's just unpleasant for me.
It was certainly interesting seeing this from the mafia's perspective. You won, so why complain? It would have been most beneficial for you to have two adepts, actually. X) You know, Nэйра, I've always liked you, and my opinion of you hasn't really worsened even after your words, but come on, as a seasoned card player, I have to say I don't much like it when people who have won a game start complaining about things afterwards. When my opponent in MTG breaks the rules at a serious tournament, for example, I don't yell at them; I simply call a judge, explain the situation, they get a warning (not even a game loss; in most cases I'm against my opponent losing immediately for a rules violation), and I continue playing calmly against them, without insulting them either during or after the game. I understand we're on the internet and can take more liberties here, but it's just a game; I think you're overdoing it a bit. Furthermore, I don't really understand the complaints about "flipping." First, I was as subtle as possible with my message. I'm sure for most players, it sounded like an accusation of a lucky guess when a Town role was leaked during the day. Second, I'm not even sure Morning understood it. Third, you still fucking won, so what grounds do you have for complaints? I just don't get it.
Well, since I haven't seen any other important direct references to me, let's move on to writing my own opinion; that will be in the next post.
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Well... Victory is undoubtedly the main goal of any player, as it is inherent in the game mechanics, but ultimately, the goal of a game where there are no stakes is to have fun. You can look at it from the perspective of a player for whom winning through cheating won't bring pleasure, and who might not even want to participate in such a game in the future.
If Graf and Rev remained, they would definitely have won against the 3 ghosts, right?
