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Posts from World Team Cup 2019! Discussion about organizing the second world championship.
"On each TOP portal, players have come to adopt specific rules — they are different everywhere."
Please enlighten me: what active portals for online Heroes are there currently? And name the names of those top players who play by different rules.
At the last "world championship" (which turned out to be quite decent in the end), did they fail to reach the prize places because of HeroesWorld rules? Or did they simply not bother to sign up?
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PROger
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I also disagree with rewarding mods and new rules. If the Heroes of Might and Magic rules don't suit you, why not just play according to the anarchy rules? It would be easier for everyone. P.S. If anyone has any Syrian relatives, please contact me on ICQ or Discord.
"On each TOR portal, players adhered to specific rules – they differ everywhere."
Please enlighten me: what active online Heroes portals exist currently? And could you name the top players who play by different rules?
At the last "World Championship" (which ultimately turned out to be quite decent), they didn't reach the prize-winning positions due to the Hive rules, or did they simply choose not to participate?
1. Regarding portals and rules. What do you mean by "active"? If we consider portals where players still communicate and play, there will be more of them (WCL with a chat and an active season (at least last year), the Polish Academy of War – there are still new messages on the forum, and similar portals). If, however, we consider "active" to mean those with a variety of tournaments and other events in addition to the season or just regular games, then we can mention the following: - The Chinese League; I can provide a link to them. - There is a Czech-Slovak community; I can provide a link to them. - The Wog community – this is more offline. - The Heroes portal – also mostly offline.
If you need more, I'll look through my notes from last year's World Championship.
Regarding the players – for example, Liophy (ranked among the top players on WCL) couldn't adapt. Tanenseto from the WCL league also played in that team. There were players in Romania who played using Game Ranger and also couldn't adapt and even violated the rules.
I have the feeling that someone is trying to catch me out on something...
Regarding the decent World Championship last year – actually, there was even more criticism of it than of this one.
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I also oppose rewarding mods and new rules. If the Hive rules are not suitable, what's wrong with simply playing by the anarchy rules? It would be easier for everyone. P.S. If anyone has Syrian relatives, please contact me on ICQ or Discord.
We are trying to organize a tournament based on the anarchy rules, while also incorporating a GM overhaul from any level and fixing bugs. But even this is met with criticism. Or are you in favor of not fixing anything at all, as it was before?
6) If a stalemate occurs in battle, where one player cannot catch up to the other, and the other cannot kill the first, a draw is recorded in the game if neither player wants to bribe or flee. If, due to morale, a player wants to try to catch up to the other, they can do so up to round 50, inclusive, after which either a draw is recorded, or they are forced to flee or bribe.
In my opinion, this is a strange rule, and I don’t understand why it’s needed. If there is morale, let them catch up; if not, let the attacker bribe. It is very rare for someone to run away from gnolls with morale, saying, “There is no pseudo-randomness in Heroes – morale may never trigger” (c) Arthas..
List of plugins (still under discussion): - Removal of skills in witch huts and at scholars
Why?.. Don’t turn SoD into HotA if you don’t want to play HotA.
- All heroes always start with three stacks of units and a second-level building of creatures.
Why?.. Don’t turn SoD into HotA if you don’t want to play HotA.
- It is also planned to reduce diplomacy (so that it is only for money, and some units on the map will never join).
This is also a questionable new feature, although it may have some merit..
We can adjust the rule regarding stalemate situations, but then it won't be entirely rule-free. Overall, I'm not against it. There's also an unpleasant situation regarding the War Bonds.
Removing skills is just a suggestion, if the participants don't mind. It doesn't turn Soda Hotu into anything else. It's like saying that introducing Overlord's Hall in HotA turns it into Warlords of the North, in which Overlord's Hall appeared earlier, albeit in a different version.
Reducing diplomacy is also a suggestion. I think it would be beneficial, but it's not up to me to play, so I'm listening to the players.
Thank you for the criticism and justification. I'm also taking into account the opinions of Merlin and some other players who expressed their views in private messages and on the forums.
Thinking out loud: 1. This guy wants to hold a world champ (the second one) for 50k wood and then be proud of it himself and in front of others. Normal desire. 2. The guy found a content creator who will go all out, and it's a profitable investment because the content creator is investing their own intangible resources much more seriously than the prize pool resource. Normal process. 3. The content creator sees an opportunity to raise the rating of their content with such a tournament - normal goal. 4. The attempt to revive dying SoD looks either like an opportunity to push the originality of one's content under the guise of pleasing all "federations" (by the way, did the Swedish national team even know which version they declined?) or as a way to bargain for features from HotA-Team. I would recommend the latter, because the former is proud stagnation, especially when trying to assemble the main roster on ХВ, where both HotA and at least ХВrules are present. 5. The part about Syrian roots was funny. An attempt to force a square peg into a round hole when there's no other way to turn a post-Soviet championship into a World Cup - normal desire) 6. The organizer's zeal to make something out of nothing, specifically to hold a World Cup even with a team of animals - normal desire. Tomorrow only URLs will remain on the internet; nobody will be reading all this turmoil. Although it looks ridiculous in some places (with the Swedes), amusing in others, the person is trying, sees the goal and goes for it, even if there are failures in competence. 7. Regarding the Swedes and their refusal. I'm purely interested in the story of who exactly among the Swedes refused?) Maybe just delete that line or add another 150 countries there? 8. And the key point. IMHO, you should play the version for which the majority of worthy participants are playing, or under the aegis of whichever forum you are holding the cup. There is a list of leagues, ok, try holding it there with these prizes or their rules. I think unlikely. Yes, a World Cup won't happen on HotA, but here the question remains: spectacle or URL.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.
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iDD
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I don't even know... Which country should I sign up for?
Коротко о себе: спесивый сноб Чуть длиннее: Фонд Дендроидов ------------------------------------------------------------- На ощупь пьют эльфийские стрелки! Нам это идеально подходит (c) Это вам не шутки - нажрался Дуст в маршрутке! (с) Пишите на udd@otso.city Твиттер СНГ
Thinking out loud: 1. Some guy wants to run a world champ (the second one) for 50k wood and then be proud of it himself and in front of those around him. Normal desire. 2. The guy found a content creator who will bust his gut for this, and it's a profitable investment because the content creator invests their own intangible resource much more seriously than the prize pool resource. Normal process. 3. The content creator sees an opportunity to raise the rating of their content with such a tournament - normal goal. 4. An attempt to revive dying SoD looks either like an opportunity to push the originality of one's content under the guise of pleasing all "federations" (by the way, did the Swedish national team even know which version they declined?) or as a way to bargain for features from HotA-Team. I would recommend the latter, because the former is proud decay, especially when trying to gather the main roster on HeroesWorld, where both HotA and at least HWrules are present. 5. The bit about Syrian roots was funny. An attempt to force a square peg into a round hole when there's no other way to turn a post-Soviet championship into a World Cup - normal desire) 6. The organizer's zeal to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, specifically to run a World Cup even with a team of animals - normal desire. Tomorrow only URLs will remain on the internet; no one will be reading all this turmoil. Although it looks funny in some places (with the Swedes), amusing in others, the person is trying, sees the goal and goes for it, even if there are failures in competence. 7. Regarding the Swedes and their refusal. Purely interested in the story of who exactly among the Swedes refused?) Maybe just delete that line or add another 150 countries there? 8. And the key point. IMHO you should play the version for which the majority of worthy participants are, or under the aegis of whichever forum you are running the cup on. There is a list of leagues, ok, try running it there with these prizes or their rules. I think unlikely. Yes, a World Cup won't happen on HotA, but here the question remains: spectacle or URL.
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Thoughts out loud: 1. The guy wants to host a world championship (the second one) for 50k and then brag about it to himself and everyone around him. That's a decent goal. 2. The guy found a content creator who will work hard, and that's a good investment because the content creator invests their own non-material resources much more seriously than the prize pool. That's a good process. 3. The content creator sees an opportunity to boost the rating of their content through this tournament – that's a good goal. 4. The attempt to revive the dying SoD looks either like an opportunity to promote the originality of their content under the guise of pleasing all the "federations" (by the way, did the Swedish team even know which version they were rejecting?) or as a way to bargain for perks from the HotA team. I would recommend the second option because the first one is just empty boasting, especially when trying to assemble the main team for HotA, where both HotA and at least HotA Rules are present. 5. The part about Syrian roots was funny. It's an attempt to force a connection when it's impossible to turn a post-Soviet championship into a world cup – that's a decent goal. 6. The desire to create something out of nothing, i.e., to hold a world cup even with a team of animals, is a decent goal. Tomorrow, there will be URLs on the internet, and no one will read all this rambling. Even though it looks funny (with the Swedes) and amusing in places, the person is trying, has a goal, and is working towards it, even if there are shortcomings in their competence. 7. Regarding the Swedes and their refusal. I'm just curious about the story of who rejected the Swedes? Maybe just delete that line or add another 150 countries? 8. And the key point. In my opinion, you should play the version that most of the worthy participants play or the version that the forum you're hosting the cup under uses. There's a list of leagues, okay, try hosting it there with those prize pools or their rules. I doubt it. Yes, a world cup on HotA won't work, but then the question remains: spectacle or URL.
1. If it's not a secret, when and to whom did I brag about this? Pride is a sin, after all. I think it's good content, but not a reason for pride. Moreover, I know this process from the inside, and even now, not everything is as smooth as it seems. How can you even be proud of some computer games if they have no relation to real life? And you don't need to treat my tournaments as something serious – they are show tournaments and, first of all, entertainment and fun for the audience. I'm not in a position to do anything really serious at the moment – that's a fact. 2. I don't quite understand. 3. Yes. We never chased after subscribers, donations, or earnings – and we still don't. I didn't have anything from hosting tournaments, and I still don't (except for rare donations, which I can then use to pay for the internet). I'm curious, why do I continue to spend my time, spend money, and get stressed about it? 4. I've said many times why I love SoD, and I don't see the point in repeating it. You can take it as you like. The game version is a matter of taste. 5. It's always funny if you don't delve into it and don't get interested. 6. Out of nothing? Maybe. But I wouldn't even say that it's close to being a "bullet" – I've written many times about the limited possibilities. I do what I can, and I don't claim to do more. For me, it's fun, interesting content for me personally and for the audience (who have gathered), and an opportunity to get together again with those for whom SoD is not an empty word. 7. If you have any doubts about any question, you can always ask me for proof. Yar's father is Korean – his last name is Ligai (if you need more proof, just say so), and the second guy's whole family is also Korean, but they currently live in Russia (need more proof, just say so). Have I ever not answered someone? And I'll show you the correspondence with the guy from Sweden (he's Russian-speaking, by the way, but he's been married and living there for a long time) about the roots of the participants and anything else. The main thing is dialogue, not empty talk. I've had failures, and I will have them again – I'm not afraid of them. It's not the end of the world, but just attempts to do something interesting. I try to solve problems – how well I do it is up to you to judge. 8. I will partially agree with you, of course. And if I were chasing popularity, donations, and support, I would have done everything on HotA. I originally played Wog, then switched to SoD, and I also tried different versions in parallel (including HotA). I can't force myself to play it. I see that many people like it – but I don't.
I never had the goal of offending or upsetting anyone. And when I write a lot, it's just an attempt to explain things so that there are no questions. I am happy with any reasonable criticism, and I take your opinions into account. Therefore, I'm waiting for insults, but with suggestions. That will be useful to me.
The recruitment of players is going according to plan, and we are gradually revising the regulations – I have already taken many things into account, and I will correct some points a little later. There is a lot of work to do on the tournament itself. No matter how the composition of the participants changes, the tournament will happen. In one form or another.
I suggest renaming the tournament to Universe Team Cup, and I'm signing up on behalf of the Andromeda galaxy.
Ihromant
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No, they once held a nostalgic WT tournament. It seems no one bothered them with questions or suggestions like "why not...". That's what's annoying – this desire to interfere without any real reason.
Мой любимьій размер - тройка. Будь то конса, утопа или сиськи ICQ:5676388
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Yes, perhaps it's foolish not to pursue it. But if I start chasing money, popularity, etc., I'll lose respect for myself. When such material goals are set, I can't put my heart into it. It's difficult to overcome my own insecurities and beliefs. But maybe someday I'll be able to. I don't consider Heroes my job; it's a hobby. Of course, it interferes with my work, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to find time for it, but for now, I'm managing somehow. If I ever decide to quit my job completely and switch to streaming as my main job, then, who knows, maybe everything will change. At the moment, my main job is programming and computer maintenance.
Guys like Tvaryna, Amilu, Reddi, Hell, Yar, etc., are on a completely different level in terms of understanding the game and conducting streams. That's why their popularity is more than justified. There's a certain element of HotA in them too, but I still think they would be watched on any version; it would just take longer to build an audience.
I'm not a good streamer, commentator, or well-organized person, and publicity isn't really my thing. I try to take the initiative in some areas, but it's more out of a sense of desperation. Maybe if I ever see that players are no longer gathering for SoD and there are no more sponsors, then I'll quit Heroes altogether or start exploring HotA – I'm not ruling anything out.
In general, I don't refuse anyone, whether it's SoD, HotA, or WOG, as much as possible when they reach out to me. But I simply don't have enough desire or time to switch to those as well. Maybe my perception of HotA is different in my head, maybe my level of play doesn't allow me to appreciate it, maybe something else – I don't know. But for now, I just don't feel like it.
Regarding the lack of popularity of SoD among online players, I completely agree. In essence, yes, holding this tournament is partly an attempt to create additional activity specifically in SoD, to attract some attention to it, etc. I would actually prefer to watch other people's show tournaments on SoD, but there's a big problem with that. I sometimes drop in on HotA tournaments for a short time to see what's going on, but without much enjoyment, more out of interest or a desire to listen to the commentators or read the chat. Maybe if I spent more time studying HotA, my opinion would change, I don't know. But I don't think so. At least, I didn't like the older versions of HotA when I played them. Despite all this, I'm all for competition in Heroes – it allows the game to develop and grow. I use some of the HotA developments myself – the template editor, old plugins from HotA, etc. There are many interesting solutions in it, but for now, SoD outweighs it for me.
I also think that the realistic option is the HW Open Cup. What kind of "world" is it without Poland?
And really, is there currently a way to mod SoD so quickly and so deeply?
Poland is participating, but with a different lineup—that's their choice. These guys also have experience in online play and even in tournaments, for example. When some cannot or will not play, others take their place. There is nothing wrong with that. No one should have to chase anyone. Our job is to offer—it's up to them to decide.
The possibilities to deeply mod SoD exist, and there are roughly 20-40 plugins available. As for the speed—that's where the questions arise. Because plugin developers are quite busy people, and they won't just make something random for no clear reason or person. The developer must also be somewhat interested and have the time. I once asked the fathers from ХВ about what is missing in the hero balance for a game without rules; roughly these opinions were gathered: - necromancy should be cut back - Luna and Tanta should be slightly weakened - diplomacy is imba - logistics should be less imba We prepared plugins, there were even more controversial bonuses like—a slight weakening of attack/defense specialists, etc. In the end, we use them outside of ХВ quite successfully, but they aren't needed on ХВ. It's just that there are many opinions around and everyone sees things their own way. I am more interested in working with newcomers; I started with them, and I continue to bet on them moving forward. Of course, we sometimes hold mixed tournaments not only for average and below levels, but much less frequently.
HW Open Cup? Is it okay that our tournaments are met with hostility here almost every time? HW is one of the platforms we strive for, but it's not the only one.
