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Posts from Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments.

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Usually, buggy passages occur due to cracks in rocks, shifts in mines, etc. An unpaved path looks quite adequate, just as an unpaved path should look, without any hint of bugs.
A buggy passage occurs when any visitable object is generated close to the edge of a zone, while the array of trees or mountains is deleted or shifted. In this case, the obelisk shifted the array of trees (it is a single unit, you can check it in the editor) towards the road, clearing a space for itself.
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A bugged passage occurs when any traversable object is generated close to the edge of a zone, causing the array of trees or mountains to be deleted or shifted. In this case, the obelisk shifted the array of trees (it's a single unit, you can check it in the editor) towards the road, clearing a space for itself.
What justifies such a categorical statement? In my opinion, it's a very debatable assertion. Based on my experience, an obelisk (like other single-cell objects) doesn't create bugged passages; it's the large objects, like mines or elevators, that do. Moreover, it's located too far away to "cut out" any hole in the passage.
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I didn't quite understand. Kostya, are you saying that the path along the road is bugged? And that there shouldn't be a road there at all?
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
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I don't quite understand. Kostya, are you saying that the path is bugged? And that there shouldn't be a road there in this case?
It's hard to say how it should be, as there can be different scenarios. If there's an off-road path, there might also be a road path, especially if there's a town there. There are also situations where there's a road, but no guards (hello, Jebus!). In any case, we have two completely different paths and one guard, which can be considered the guard for the off-road path. In any case, this kind of situation should be advantageous for the player.
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Question for experts.
"2.1.2. The concept of "red rush" is not applicable when the heroes of opposing players are on opposite sides of a Portal or Underground Gate during an attack, if the red player cannot see where the blue hero is standing."
If we use the "Air Vision" spell and attack the opponent's hero, not directly but only by using the spell (we see that he is on the other side of the map, for example), does this constitute a "red rush" in this case?
"b) on blue heroes or guarded mines, if the presence of a bonus can affect the outcome of the battle or losses in the battle for either player."
Since in this case it may turn out that there is an opponent's hero with a powerful unit on the other side of the portal, I decided to clarify.
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
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Obviously, when you use the preview feature, you can already see where the opponent's heroes are located, which contradicts the statement "doesn't see where the blue hero is." Therefore, by attacking with a bonus, you are violating the rules.
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Obviously, when you used view, you already see where the opp's heroes are standing, so we get a contradiction with "does not see where the blue hero is standing", meaning that by attacking with growth, you are breaking the rules.
One, having used view, will see the Dragon Utopia, and the other—a bare bottom :D

But seriously—there is another side to the coin. During one of YaR's streams, a phrase was mentioned (I can't vouch for the exact wording, but the meaning was roughly this), that on Jeba you cannot jump into the dark in the center unless you have clearly determined via view that another respawn with unbroken guards hasn't started there yet.
I believe that jumping on luck is possible, but if you missed—you must immediately inform your opponent about it and be prepared to admit a tech loss.
"There's no need to execute me,sir Davos . I'll be dead before dawn."
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A question for the experts.
"2.1.2. The concept of a "red rush" is not applicable when the heroes of opposing players are on opposite sides of a Portal or Underground Gate during an attack, if the red player cannot see where the blue hero is standing."
If we use the "Air Vision" spell and attack the opponent's hero, not directly but only by using the spell (we see that he is on the other side of the map, for example), does this constitute a "red rush" in this case?
"b) on blue heroes or guarded mines, if the presence of a bonus can affect the outcome of the battle or losses in the battle for either player."
Since in this case it may turn out that there is an opponent's hero with a powerful bonus on the other side of the portal, I decided to clarify.
I think that the "Air Vision" spell is irrelevant. Visibility should still be physical.
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I think that viewing doesn't matter. Visibility should be physical, after all.
I thought the same thing, because in the current wording, it's permissible to attack with reinforcements if it doesn't affect the outcome of the battle/losses. And the attacker has no objective information about whether there's a hero with a large army there.
I just left the store, and this situation occurred to me: I realized that I won't be able to sleep peacefully until I figure it out. :smile04:
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
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It is obvious that when you use the scouting ability, you already see where the opponent's heroes are, so this contradicts the statement that "you don't see where the blue hero is," meaning that by attacking with a reinforcement, you are violating the rules.
The rules are the same for both blue and red. If an exception is made for portals, it means that blue should not rely on a red rush and leave a hero in the portal, assuming that red can (should) see him using the scouting ability. In other words, if you want red not to attack with a reinforcement on the first day, leave the portal. Again, there is a caveat in the rules regarding the impact of reinforcements on the outcome of the battle, and red has the opportunity to assess this impact on his turn by viewing the size of the blue army using a spell and may decide to remove the reinforcement that will prevent him from winning without violating the rules about the red rush, which is impossible to do while on the other side of the portal. That is, as Dirty writes, you really need to physically see the blue hero, then the red rush is possible.
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Hello everyone. I have been banned for a long time due to creating accounts on HeroesWorld for games, sometimes for stakes without returning losses. By the decision of the Arbitration Committee, the ban has now been lifted, and there are no claims. All money has long been returned. If anyone still has claims or unresolved issues, please write to me. I apologize, and this will not happen again. Please block the account: Sav1tar, possibly played for stakes on the accounts: Abyssal, Deadshot, malopomalu, grekishere. Please do not judge too harshly, I was young.. I wanted to learn how to play, and the fastest and most reliable way, as I thought, was to play against the old-timers, and at that time they only played for stakes.


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He was on his way to success (reaching the top 1).
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Preface and Meaning

I am addressing the Arbitration Committee with an ethical question – I propose that you examine the situation and make a decision regarding this message from Sonik in connection with my second game against Miron in the SM-Masters tournament.
If I am wrong, I suggest openly stating what exactly I did or wrote incorrectly, and punishing me (including, if there is something like this, it would be useful for me to understand this in order to conduct Favorites).
If Sonik is wrong (I currently believe that this message is rude), then a decision should be made about how acceptable such statements are and whether Sonik can be punished.
The size of the punishment is determined by the Arbitration Committee. I have no approach to such situations; I just think that we are talking about disrespectful behavior. Perhaps Sonik has reasons for this. If they are justified, I want to know them reliably.
I do not think that this concerns only this specific phrase from Sonik. This concerns an unhealthy situation that has been going on for quite some time. Ideally, I would like to clarify it completely because this is not the first or second attack directed at me by Sonik, and the exact reason has been unknown for almost a year. To resolve this, one could start with this particular situation.

Description of the situation regarding the game and my logic of actions.

The game ended on a late save 141 in a situation where I was attacking the opponent. Miron withdrew from two tournaments (1,2). In Korovka's tournament, there is a rule – a report on victory in such a situation can be written if he (Korovka) looks at the save and, as a judge, decides that it is possible to talk about an advantage – and if he decides so, then the report will be confirmed.
This is what was done for this game. Another example, for which the report on the victory was not confirmed by the decision of the judge, is my save with RitoSaks.
All discussions with Miron and myself took place in private messages; the essence is that, according to this save, a decision was made – a report can be written, and it will be confirmed. Currently, it is impossible to continue playing the game; after the first viewing of the saves by Korovka, I understood from the words of the judge that Miron refused to play again, citing lack of time; after that, continuing the game was canceled, and the saves were opened.

Today, Dirty closed unconfirmed reports for all tournaments.
From the very beginning of the tournament, I performed all technical functions for Korovka regarding adding the tournament to the topic, registering participants, confirming/canceling reports; therefore, I paid attention to this and saw that Dirty missed my report.
I asked him – based on what did he close the reports? If based on information from Korovka, was there any special information about this game? The answer is no. Why didn't he confirm it? Is there any other information about this game or perhaps an appeal to the Arbitration Committee that indicates some problems? No. He processed many reports and does not remember this one.

I do not see a reason not to confirm the report. Confirmation from the judge for this game that a report can be written and should be confirmed – existed.
Since in this tournament, I also confirmed them based on information from Korovka, I confirmed it.
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I am appealing to the Arbitration Committee (AK) to make a decision regarding this message from Sonic in connection with my second game against Miron in the SM-Masters tournament.
If I am wrong, I suggest openly stating what exactly I did incorrectly in this situation and punishing me.
If Sonic is wrong (I believe that this message is rude), then punish Sonic.
The severity of the punishment will be determined by the AK.

Description of the situation during the game and my logic behind my actions.

The game ended on a late save, 141, when I was attacking the opponent. Miron withdrew from two tournaments (1,2). In the Korovka tournament, there is a rule that a report can be written in such a situation if he (Korovka) reviews the save and, as a judge, decides whether it is possible to talk about an advantage, and the report will be confirmed.
This is what was done for this game. Another example where a report about a victory was not confirmed by the judge's decision is my save with RitoSaks.
All discussions, both with Miron and with me, took place in private messages; the essence is that a decision was made regarding this save – a report could be written, and it would be confirmed. I have these messages in my ICQ. At the moment, decisions have already been made; after the first review of the saves by Korovka, I understood from the words of the judge that Miron refused to continue playing again, after which the continuation of the game was canceled, and the saves were opened.

Today, Dirty closed all unconfirmed reports for all tournaments.
From the very beginning of the SM-Masters tournament, I performed all technical functions for Korovka: adding topics to the tournament, registering participants, confirming/canceling reports. Therefore, I paid attention to this and saw that Dirty missed my report.
I asked him on what basis he was closing reports? If based on information from Korovka, was there any specific information about this game? The answer is no. Why didn't he close it? Is there an appeal to the AK regarding this game that indicates some problems? No. He processed many reports and doesn't remember this one.

I did not see a reason not to confirm the report. Confirmation from the judge for this game that a report can be written and should be confirmed - existed.
I can only tell you to go away!
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Al Feyn

(a) abuse, when someone repeatedly targets weak players and meticulously exploits them.
In general, the overall score will be used for forming the brackets. Feel free to abuse it.
Al Feyn
I didn't see any reason not to approve the report. The judge for this match confirmed that a report could be written, and it should be approved - that was done.
Since I approved them in this tournament based on information from Korovka, I confirmed it.
Something like that, maybe I'm wrong;)
艰难获胜 herolwy

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