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<garkin>

1/15/2007 8:58 PM UTC

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AlexeyPank;62542

That's right. And that's absolutely true. And the day before Bloody Sunday, he was in the Winter Palace and reported on the upcoming action and its purpose – to submit a petition. And it was Nicholas who chose the specific course of events that unfolded.

Hmm... well, I won't argue, as I don't know... I did read that he was hired by someone very influential to identify a double agent in the Tsarist security service, who later turned out to be Evno Azev, who was also a leader (though Savinkov was more of a leader) of the SR Combat Organization... but that's all just speculation:cool:

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AlexeyPank

1/15/2007 9:03 PM UTC

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Yes, history is a complex subject. I personally believe that history should not involve subjective evaluations. It should only contain facts and explanations of patterns. Otherwise, it becomes completely incomprehensible.

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<garkin>

1/15/2007 9:06 PM UTC

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AlexeyPank;62546

Yes, history is a tricky subject. I personally believe that history shouldn't involve evaluations. It should only contain facts and explanations of patterns. Otherwise, it becomes completely incomprehensible.

No matter how you look at it, it ends up being confusing... history is a subjective science... we will never know exactly how things were in the past, because different people perceive the same fact differently, and historians are no exception... and history wasn't written by just one person...

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AlexeyPank

1/15/2007 9:11 PM UTC

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We should treat history not as a humanitarian science, but as a natural science. Where everything is subject to strict laws. I like a quote by L.N. Gumilev: "What can a chemist teach if he says he loves alkalis and hates acids?" The same applies to history – we shouldn't love anything; we should simply present it as it is.

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<garkin>

1/15/2007 9:19 PM UTC

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AlexeyPank;62548

The same applies to history – there’s no need to love something; you just need to present it as it is.

In my opinion, this is a utopia... So, it reminded me of something: I like it when football commentators don't show their preference for any particular team, but lately, it's become so obvious that it's outrageous... If a couple of years ago, a commentator "supported" (what a silly word) a team from their hometown, or, like 30 years ago, all commentators voted for the weaker team, today every Moscow commentator has a team (there are plenty of them in Moscow) for which they say encouraging words or express paternal disapproval...

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AlexeyPank

1/15/2007 9:21 PM UTC

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That's right. And it's unclear why all this is necessary. Expressing personal preferences makes sense only when it doesn't harm the cause.

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СКИФ

1/15/2007 10:38 PM UTC

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AlexeyPank;62536

I love it when people start praising Nicholas II. Do you think the Tsar couldn't have known why people were coming to him? Considering that a provocateur from the secret police was leading the crowd? And that a minister could have started a war without the Tsar's knowledge? What kind of Tsar is he, if he's not involved in anything?

I thought we had already dissected and analyzed everything about Nicholas and Stalin. But it turns out there are still people who are convinced of Stalin's worthlessness and Nicholas II's complete innocence.
But I think we won't give up and will continue to open people's eyes to the truth.:smile14:

Пуля производит удивительные изменения в голове, даже если она попадает в за***цу.

AlexeyPank

1/15/2007 11:52 PM UTC

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This is a favorite pastime – gossiping about others. This is a characteristic of humanity.

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<garkin>

1/15/2007 11:55 PM UTC

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SKIF;62562

I thought we had already discussed every aspect of Cole and Stalin. But it turns out there are still people who are convinced of Stalin's worthlessness and Cole 2nd's complete innocence.
But I think we won't give up and will continue to open people's eyes to the truth.:smile14:

Read the posts more carefully, or get some glasses:smile19: and then post yourself {think first - then do}. No one here is bashing Stalin, and no one considers N2 a saint...:smile22:

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СКИФ

1/16/2007 12:50 AM UTC

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That’s exactly what I was thinking. First, read the posts by Dracolich and Saruman. What a champion of good and justice, just like Sailor Moon:smile06:! You won’t get away with this next time!:smile22:

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AlexeyPank

1/16/2007 9:04 AM UTC

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It's strange how much time has passed, how many events have occurred, yet Stalin and Nicholas II remain the most discussed figures. And the most discussed topics are the revolution and the repressions. Few delve deeply into the past, and even fewer are satisfied with the present. Here's another paradox: the 20th century is the closest to us, yet we know less truth about it than we do about primitive people. And in general, textbooks should be written with space for adjustments, so that with each change in the "general line," one could simply pencil in the necessary names and epithets. Something like this: "Thanks to the heroic/significant/unnecessary efforts of Lenin/Stalin/Putin, the most just/dishonest/cruel society in the world was built (underline the appropriate one)."

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<garkin>

1/16/2007 10:34 AM UTC

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SKIF;62562

But I think we won't give up and will continue to open people's eyes to the truth.

and what is this, does it mean you know how it all really was???
:smile26:
no one will know the truth, your truth is subjective just like any other... your truth for other people is someone else's...

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