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Everyone dramatically burst into tears, and some muttered under their breath: "Finally, you're dead, you son of a bitch... This is for your father/mother/grandfather!"
Страшней драколича зверя нет!
Жаль, не лебедь я...

Сандро (не)жив! :D :D :D

Влюбившийся дурак на глупости горазд (с)

В сказке грусти синей я один, как бог... (с)
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Everyone dramatically burst into tears, and some muttered under their breath: "Finally, you're dead, you son of a bitch... Here's what's for your father/mother/grandfather!"

well, they paid for their words later...:smile34:
Сила Тьмы - в бессилии света.
Нет невежества - есть Знание
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Well, they paid the price for their words later...:smile34:

Did anyone hear it? There were other things to worry about.
Страшней драколича зверя нет!
Жаль, не лебедь я...

Сандро (не)жив! :D :D :D

Влюбившийся дурак на глупости горазд (с)

В сказке грусти синей я один, как бог... (с)
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Everyone dramatically burst into tears, and some muttered under their breath: "Finally, you're dead, you son of a bitch... Here's what's for your father/mother/grandfather!"
Dramatically? Could an entire nation "put on a show"?
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Picturesque? Could an entire nation be "picturesque"?

I agree... no further comments.:smile24:
Сила Тьмы - в бессилии света.
Нет невежества - есть Знание
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The exact number of assassination attempts on Stalin is known only to him. But he was needed by the country at that time, and he survived. If it weren't for him, the war would have been lost in 1939, when all of Europe would have crushed the USSR. But as it was, the era produced its own children, in its own image and likeness.
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If it weren't for him, the war would have been lost in 1939, when all of Europe would have crushed the USSR.
I agree, if it weren't for him, firstly, the Russians would have gone against the fascist tanks on horseback with sabers, and secondly, no one else could have united the people as he did, even if it was through fear...
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One can praise Stalin or criticize him, but it is impossible to deny his achievements. The same applies to all great people. In general, the task of a historian is not to say who is good and who is bad, but to explain the patterns of development.
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I agree... no further comments.:smile24:

But not all of it.
Страшней драколича зверя нет!
Жаль, не лебедь я...

Сандро (не)жив! :D :D :D

Влюбившийся дурак на глупости горазд (с)

В сказке грусти синей я один, как бог... (с)
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Everyone pretended to cry, and some muttered under their breath: "Finally, you're dead, you son of a bitch... Here's what's for your father/mother/grandfather!" - who is this about?

Nicholas II was a military man and understood only military matters. In general, the Russo-Japanese War (which was initiated by Minister Plehve) and Bloody Sunday (which also took place during Plehve's reign) played a very large role in the revolution. Nicholas was told that people were coming to kill him, but in reality, ordinary people came to give him a petition describing their hardships (at that time, people still believed in a good Tsar and evil landowners). After the shooting of the crowd, all the active actions of the Bolsheviks began to gain momentum...
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About Stalin.
And it was depicted in that way because that's how it was supposed to be.
Страшней драколича зверя нет!
Жаль, не лебедь я...

Сандро (не)жив! :D :D :D

Влюбившийся дурак на глупости горазд (с)

В сказке грусти синей я один, как бог... (с)
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That's correct! But even though he was a bloodthirsty dictator, he did bring some benefits. Without such a ruler, we might not have won the war!
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I love it when people start praising Nicholas II. Do you think the Tsar couldn't have known why people were coming to him? Considering that a provocateur from the secret police was leading the crowd? And that a minister could have started a war without the Tsar's knowledge? What kind of Tsar is he, if he's not involved in anything?
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Considering that the leader of the crowd was a provocateur from the secret police? And that a minister could have started a war without the Tsar's knowledge?
Are you talking about Bloody Sunday? Was Gapon a provocateur from the secret police?
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Exactly. And that's absolutely true. And the day before Bloody Sunday, he was in the Winter Palace and informed them about the upcoming action and its purpose – to submit a petition. And it was Nicholas who chose the course of events that ultimately unfolded.
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