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Loken
17 years ago
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You can't show true feelings in a drawing.
You're wrong, accomplice; the Tentacle can evoke the most genuine and sometimes extremely diverse feelings in characters.
He was obsessed with Pokémon in the first grade.
And I was in the fifth. They showed it to us back then.
There are many anime series that have meaning.
Deep Meaning Search Syndrome (DMSS) is the desire of an individual to find a deep meaning in certain works of art. In the vast majority of cases, this is a result of the individual's desire to portray their hobby as highly intellectual (in rarer cases, it is a result of genuine interest or paranoia). On the internet, this disease is most often observed among fans of Japanese pornographic cartoons.
DMSS in anime fans Anime fans love to look for deep meaning in anime because they don't want to be "sexually obsessed, infantile perverts watching cartoons about panties, good, and dicks," but rather "wise nonconformists, seekers of truth that doesn't exist, drawing ideas and inspiration from animated films from the Land of the Rising Sun." Thus, it is beneficial for them to present anime as highly intellectual.
When encountering a truly non-trivial idea in a Japanese cartoon "about a guy and a bunch of girls," such as "killing people is bad," an individual infected with DMSS (most often of school age) rushes to write laudatory odes to this cartoon in their blog, the anime section of their local forum, and on WorldArt, while simultaneously calling everyone who doubts it "ignorant scum."
DMSS, in most cases, goes away with acne and school life, but in some cases, if the individual has a strong Sense of Self-Importance, it can develop into truly grotesque forms, accompanied by abundant and especially stinky reviews on WorldArt and in blogs. Most often, such a person turns into a piece of sh*t.
(copyright) you know where it's from
KonServator
17 years ago
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Although the article is poorly written (that's typical of sensationalist journalism), it contains some truth. Anime is aimed at a young audience that hasn't yet found its place in life. This style is popular because of its simple ways of expressing emotions. This is why there's so much mindless imitation, just like the imitation of the humor of Comedy Club.
Anime is aimed at a young audience that hasn't yet found its place in life.
What's true about that? And what kind of place in life should this audience be looking for? Isn't it strange that anime isn't drawn by 12-year-old boys and girls. Just as it isn't watched by them. What is your statement based on?
Due to primitive ways of expressing feelings, this style is popular.
Examples?
Hence, the mindless imitation.
If you're talking about cosplay, it's not mindless imitation; it's acting. It's only mindless because you don't understand it in any way. Everything that is incomprehensible is stupid! Burn it! Burn it!
Freud
17 years ago
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Anime is evil! The Japanese have the most depraved cartoons: children even had seizures from "Pokémon." And since NYA=0, then...
kj1313
17 years ago
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Interesting debate!))) It seems like the problem lies in perception, or perhaps you watched a different anime. Personally, I don't see a debate here... Maggot;205493
Correct. 10% of films are aimed at children, 95% of anime is aimed at children.
Where did you get these statistics?
First of all, it would be good to write an official definition in the topic:
Anime (['anʲɪmə, ənʲɪ'mɛ] neut., not decl., Jap. アニメ (info) [anʲime], from English animation) is Japanese animation. Unlike animation from other countries, which is mainly intended for children to watch, most of the anime produced is aimed at a teenage and adult audience, and this is largely why it is so popular worldwide.[1] Anime often (but not always) differs in its characteristic style of drawing characters and backgrounds. It is released in the form of television series, as well as films, distributed on video media or intended for theatrical release. The plots can describe many characters, differ in the variety of places and eras, genres and styles.
Most anime series are adaptations of Japanese comics, manga, usually preserving the graphic style and other features.
About the Plot
As in any other form of cinema, the diversity of anime plots is limited only by the screenwriter's imagination. Along with anime that tells about parallel realities and space, there are anime that describe historical events, or even recreate the daily life of the main characters in the most ordinary Tokyo. However, various genres impose various imprints on the plots of anime, and often determine the overall structure or key milestones of the series' plot.
For example, works called "shounen-adventure" often have a predictable canonical form: for most of the series, the main character gathers a team of supporters and learns new combat techniques, overcoming minor problems that arise, in order to eventually defeat a stronger opponent. After this, the series either ends, or returns to the beginning: a stronger, more dangerous enemy is indicated. One such cycle is sometimes called an arc (from English arc). An example of a classic shounen-adventure is "Rurouni Kenshin" - an epic about Himura Kenshin, a samurai from the Meiji Restoration era, who knows how to kill but no longer wants to.
It is also common to see a non-standard combination of familiar patterns. For example, the comedy/action "Full Metal Panic!" tells about a young but brave soldier, Sagare Sosuke, who is assigned to study at a school - to protect a potential victim. The harmonious combination of school comedy scenes and a serious military plot compensates for the shortcomings of both lines.
Despite the abundance of series made according to the genre's canons, there is still a large number of original works that do not lend themselves to precise classification. An example of a series with a non-standard plot is "GANTZ" - an action film, the main characters of which, Kei Kurono and Masaru Kato, died under the wheels of a subway train, but were resurrected by a motionless black sphere, occupying half the room in a Tokyo hotel - in order to participate in a brutal survival game, from which one can only escape by earning 100 points.
The universes in which the series take place can take any form, from classic fantasy worlds to cyberpunk popularized by American authors ("Ghost in the Shell", "Serial Experiments Lain") or developed anime steampunk ("Fullmetal Alchemist", "Steamboy"). The stories of fantastic worlds can differ significantly from what we are used to: for example, in the anime "Fullmetal Alchemist", alchemy is developed instead of physics, in the anime "Trigun", the action takes place in the distant future, on a desert planet, among the remains of lost technologies. The series "Wolf's Rain" depicts a post-apocalyptic world in which humans once lost to themselves and left behind vast battlefields littered with the skeletons of combat machines.
Most anime series have a pronounced emotional and ideological subtext. The director creates a suitable emotional background with images to convey his thoughts. Popular ideas include: the idea of resilience, the unwillingness to give up to any powerful people or circumstances, ideas of self-determination and choice of life path, human morality. The different age of the target audience often affects the ideological subtext of the work: shounen-adventure, usually aimed at boys over the age of twelve, more often contain a "simple" emotional range (do not give up, protect friends, etc.) with less detailed development than philosophical or psychological works for adults. However, "simplicity" does not mean that the ideas of such series are "childish" or even "naive", "maximalist" - or that such series are not intended for an older generation. More serious series explore questions of the meaning of life, morality, the problem of escapism, loneliness and the separation of people, religion.
Often, the plot and style of anime are borrowed from the work being adapted, usually a manga or "light novel". Sometimes, the plot of the anime may differ significantly from the plot of the adapted manga: for example, characters that are not in the manga may be added to the anime, the ending may be changed, and so on.
Regarding the audience:
Anime is divided: By target audience (children, boys, girls, men, women)
Criticism of anime
Along with the growing popularity of anime outside of Japan, the number of opponents of this genre of animation is also growing. The most serious criticism is caused by the excessive, in the opinion of many, amount of violence and eroticism in anime, the inadequate behavior of people who are fond of watching and collecting anime - otaku, which sometimes turns into pathological forms (withdrawal from reality, aggressiveness, close to drug addiction). In European countries and the United States, Japanese animation is subject to preliminary evaluation, with the determination of the age audience, sometimes, in order to reduce the age limit, the publisher cuts out too explicit or violent scenes from the work.
Many people do not like anime on an emotional level: if a viewer believes that cartoons are only created for a children's audience, they expect a corresponding development of the plot, and either experience discomfort from watching anime aimed at a teenage or adult audience, or, by refusing to watch, create a negative opinion about the work. Viewers also often dislike the graphic design in anime - the infamous "big eyes", or the voices of the characters, due to the unfamiliar sound of words and the expression of emotions in the Japanese language for Europeans.
Most of the criticism expressed against anime is also fair in relation to any branch of modern mass (especially visual) culture, one of the representatives of which is the Japanese animation industry.
P.S. Sorry for the length, it's just a big industry (I shortened it as much as I could), I think the arguments here are solid, I would have written it myself, but I was afraid I would forget something, if anyone asks where I got this from, I got it from Wikipedia, I was too lazy to look for it
SandroXXL
17 years ago
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Anime is as multifaceted as all other animation and films. If I were to highlight some examples... I wouldn't say that all anime is like this, but series like Berserk, Ghost in the Shell 1-2, Hellsing, Ninja Scroll, Fantastic Days, Cowboy Bebop, and to some extent Gungrave, Last Submarine – I generally enjoyed all of these, to put it mildly (by the way, this is a very common word;)), although the hyperbole and extremes, as well as a certain concept of the hero's "coolness," sometimes annoyed me. As for all sorts of children's cartoons with their characteristic "faces" and techniques, well, that's for a different audience. I used to be into Pokémon about seven years ago, but now I can't stand to watch it.
Loken
17 years ago
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I like anime, what about you all?..
Actually, I just don't like what's called "nerdiness." You know, like in the "flood" section. Constant baby talk in every post. This "saccharine" and "refined" style, the unchanging avatar with Naruto's blue and red schoolboys... And yet, I don't feel ashamed for, in general, promoting something similar to the Emperor, because it's "not in every post"; besides, I'm mostly the only one doing it. But anime is all over the forum. And, of course, not just this one. I'm tired of it. I'm an angry and intolerant person; I tie tin cans to the tails of stray dogs, I crush cockroaches, I kill people, and I hate anime. Yes, and I constantly slander the church. Beat me up! .. Well, okay, don't beat me up. In general, people don't care about each other. And it's not worth expecting justice from the world, and why should it be just?..
etc, etc.
SandroXXL
17 years ago
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Uh... come on, don't play the victim. You got what you deserved for how you acted.
Loken
17 years ago
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Okay, fine, I don't regret it; it gave me pleasure. It's actually pretty cool to be a two-minute moralist when there's Chaos all around, right?
Драккошка
17 years ago
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Hey, brothers and sisters! You all know that I simply adore the band "Melnitsa." And recently, I found a couple of very beautiful music videos for their songs, made using clips from the anime "Wolf's Rain." These videos and a very brief summary of the plot intrigued me. So, should I look for this anime, or is it just a waste of time? Preferably with arguments :)
Wolf Rain is great. No arguments, I liked it... if that can be considered an argument.
WhiteLizard
17 years ago
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I don't really consider myself an anime fan, but yesterday I finally watched "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind" on STS with all the commentary, and I have to say... I liked it!) It's an interesting genre after all. Thanks, by the way, kj1313, for the detailed explanation! And in general, it seemed to me that the film has a certain naivety - everything is so simple, based on some kind of... moral foundation, that it's not good to harm nature, you need to find harmony with it... But as for violence and eroticism, in this film (as far as I know, it is found in anime, and quite often!) the camera several times flies under the heroine's skirt, and if someone is wounded, blood splashes directly - but in my opinion, we think within certain moral norms imposed from the outside, and the author of the film breaks them and gives freedom to unforced thinking, and that's great! (I don't think this film is cruel and depraved).
Thanks, by the way, kj1313, for the detailed explanation!
You're welcome, I just wanted to clarify that anime is still worth watching, but not all of it, and not for everyone...
P.S. I don't consider myself an anime fan either.
kcfgogbfalgfl
17 years ago
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Hmm, I guess I was wrong. Actually, I have nothing against "Onime" because it doesn't bother me, and I won't bother it either :D. But I agree with Locke that Rialne's annoying voice and other signs of being a hardcore fan (like using Japanese words) are irritating.
Basically, I think that Onime series are useful for children aged 7 to 10, but with subtitles. This way, the child will read and develop :rolleyes: