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Regarding the post – it doesn't matter, it just caused a lot of rudeness, and I'm worried about that.
The essence is undoubtedly the same because the Guild is not an association based on Clans; it's simply a manifesto. It only CALLS FOR something.
If someone clearly violates the manifesto, who should decide and what should be done? A three-kilometer-long debate, and someone might just decide and that's it.
Regarding rights, the main thing is that he has a conscience and a sense of decency.
How can you realistically manage the life of the forum?
Most importantly, maybe I was rude – I'm always ready to apologize if I'm wrong.

First. The Guild is a manifesto. The essence of the manifesto is the proclamation of something, a "call" as you rightly put it. Therefore, violating the manifesto cannot be punished in any way. Therefore, the question of a wall of shame, a ban, etc., is meaningless in the context of the manifesto. It makes no sense to create and organize movements. Because – accepting this manifesto, even by a certain number of users, does not obligate the rest (or even those who accepted it) to behave accordingly. Of course, you can consider this a nitpick.

Second. Conscience, decency... When did you last encounter them? I haven't in a long time. No one can determine the presence of a conscience by a nickname. No one can say, judging by a person's messages, that he is decent. In some cases, he is polite, in others – rude. Even people I communicate with closely sometimes show a surprising lack of conscience and decency. Especially when the situation affects their interests.

Third. Debate. And why do you think no one dares to apply the death penalty in our country? I suspect that even those who shout about its necessity will lower their hands and vote to abolish it when it comes to a murder (even a just one). The indecisiveness inherent in the Russian intelligentsia (and we are all – even loaders – intellectuals) negates the adoption of any decision that affects many. Perhaps that is why democracy is contraindicated for us :). So, Zhenya, you are continuing the work – you must decide. Those in favor, please speak up.
The main question, therefore, is: do you want to?

Fourth. How can you realistically manage the life of the forum? The answer can be achieved through another question: does it need to be managed? Management implies a relationship between the manager and the managed. This exists on the forum on a local scale – Clans, LZM (or whatever it is). Is this needed on a universal scale? Definitely not. Simply because no one will tolerate it. We are freedom-loving people, no matter what.
Certain rules of conduct on the site are needed (instead of managers), supported by everyone! Or at least a qualified majority (3/4 of the number). And punishments for their violations are needed. Only then will these rules be effective. And there should be an opportunity to appeal them, in order to exclude injustice. This is the necessary system.
We must not forget about moderators and administrators.

That is why I am in favor of the Manifesto (in a slightly modified, practical form).

As for rudeness – it's forgotten. And even that can be called rudeness with a stretch. Rather, it's an incorrect construction of the sentence, as a result of which it became impolite :)

I support Evgeny's candidacy; I think he would be a good moderator and guardian of the values of the game.

I suggest creating a separate thread! I’ll probably create one now.

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"First. The GI manifesto. The essence of a manifesto is the proclamation of something, a 'call,' as you correctly put it. Therefore, violating the manifesto cannot in any way be punishable."

Exactly, no one was arguing that; since you (I would prefer 'thou') chose monumentality as your writing style for the posts, let us continue....

"Second. Conscience, decency... When was the last time you encountered them? I haven't in a long time. No one can determine the presence of a conscience by a nickname. No one can say, judging by a person's messages, that they are decent. In some, they are polite; in others, rude."

Of course I have, that's a ridiculous question. I generally consider all people honest until I'm convinced otherwise;)
No one can tell by a nickname, but you can understand it through communication, after all... So the point is exactly that one shouldn't be rude, whether a person is good or bad, whether they are in the GI or not.

"Third. The dispute. Why do you think no one dares to apply the death penalty in our country? I suspect that even those who scream about its necessity will drop their hands and vote for its abolition when it comes down to a killing (even a just one)."

I'm all for it — there are people who do not deserve to live in society, and unfortunately, there is no one to feed them... There are personal examples; believe me, I would have strangled one guy myself — he killed two girls after raping them, and he got 11 years, and another 9 years for attacking a deputy head of operations of the 63rd precinct. Do you need commentary?

"The indecisiveness inherent in the Russian intelligentsia (and we are all—even the loaders—intelligentsia) nullifies the making of any decision affecting many. Perhaps that is why democracy is contraindicated for us. So, Zhenya, you are the successor to the cause — you are the one who must decide. Those in favor, please speak up.
The main question therefore is: do you want to?"

Well, that was during communism; the lion's share of taxes went to education — the country was in ruins and famine, and against the backdrop of the party's theft and lawlessness, good things happened — widespread literacy, education, and the intensified development of science, which had been persecuted by the church.
But now the streets are full of thugs who need to score money for heroin, and it doesn't matter where they get it, whether they steal it or kill... There are quite a few of them, believe me.... As for the loaders... I agree that's how it was 10 years ago, but now everything is different.

Do I want to? I wrote... I want someone respected from the forum to oversee the GI (I don't even know what to call them — if the word 'leader' evokes such complex associations), to provide concrete examples, and it should be like this: if no one puts forward a suitable candidacy within a week, I will put forward mine.

"Fourth. How can one actually manage the life of the forum? The answer can be reached through another question: does it even need management? Management implies a relationship between the manager and the managed. This exists on the forum on a local scale — Clans, LZMS (or whatever). Is this needed on a general scale? Definitely not. Simply because no one would tolerate it. We are freedom-loving people, no matter how you look at it."

In any case, there is a manager and the managed, only in varying degrees of intensity; on the side of the strong are authority and logic, on the side of the weak is faith. You are managed by hunger, by Bill Gates, by your mother (if you have one), and even by me to some extent... This cannot be avoided, and the wall of shame is part of the GI, it just exists, and a user ban should occur only in exceptional cases, and at the initiative of the GI — please do not confuse — the decision is in any case made by the Administration after reviewing the case....

"As for the rudeness — forgotten. And it can be called rudeness only with a stretch. Rather, a directed construction of the sentence, as a result of which it took on an impolite character"

Fine, I'll just say it once more: after the post requesting Clan leaders to pay attention to the GI, a lot of people flocked here (I won't point fingers), and in 5 hours the thread was overwhelmed by flame, I don't even know how, with rudeness and insults not being isolated incidents, although the manifesto called for the opposite... I feel a part of the guilt for this.
Since the apologies are accepted, that is all.

2Windows Vienna "but they showed themselves to be terrible"
I meant not as an organizer, but as a rude person :) but I noted your abilities (for the sake of fairness)

2 Vanechka
you should have sent her a follow-up message in a private message :)
+1

Judging by the fivefold salute in honor of your post, I understand that GI and many forum members are on your side, and now they will all express their collective "boo" to me,

I agree with you, this topic belongs in the general discussion section, not in a specialized subtopic

2 Adelaide

I support Evgeny's candidacy, I think he will be a good moderator/guardian of preserving the values of GI

Hooray.... ours should be everywhere (we will cover HW with a network of our agents:smile08: )

well, and on the topic, I completely agree with the previous speakers

A manifesto is needed (someone obviously needs it)
a moderator of the manifesto is needed (rather, a guardian)
and most importantly
sign me up (don't be surprised

as I already said, a signature on the manifesto is not a sign of your distinction,
but a call for others to behave reasonably!!!)

2Windows Vienna "but they proved to be terrible"
I meant not as an organizer, but as a rude person :) but I noted your abilities (for fairness)

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please provide quotes where I was rude.

offtopic

2 Vanechka
you should have sent her a follow-up message in a private message :)
+1

Judging by the fivefold salute in honor of your post, I understand that GI and many other forum members are on your side, and now they will all collectively express their disapproval to me.

I agree with you, this topic belongs in the general discussion forum, not in a specialized subforum.

well, if anyone wants a follow-up, they can write to me in a private message... I will explain in detail why I deleted the posts in this topic...

offtopic

Please provide quotes where I was rude.

In the studio?:D
"You're not sheep, you're rams!" Isn't that rude?:smile04:

In the studio?:D
"You're not sheep, you're goats!" Isn't that rude?:smile04:

Well, the reaction to the "sheep" comment was rude (apparently, they consider themselves flawless).
Now, he called people "goats" for their stubbornness, and they're still offended as if I had cursed them instead of appreciating their stubbornness (i.e., I gave them a compliment).

Guys, is this really off-topic?
Come on, everything has already been said, especially about the sheep and goats...
WW apologized, and there's no point in arguing; it really has a negative impact on relationships... WW, you asked to be treated with respect and kindness, referring to the topic of discussion... Remember, (I don't know about everyone else, but this is how it is for me)
TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO TREAT YOU.
Following this simple rule is the key to good manners and decency.

I'll just add that not everyone here is a Christian, and this is definitely rude towards them:smile10:

2 ewgeniy
He apologized, but it seems he still doesn't understand what he apologized for:rolleyes:

2 Alan
I hope Vanechkin's work has been preserved somewhere. It should be made the front page for moderators; the rules apply to everyone, IMHO :)

ps The word "popular" in your case sounds metaphorical and ambiguous:smile32:. In general, it's not in line with the guidelines.

Regarding the topic

question

Isn't it possible to discuss here what constitutes rudeness and what doesn't?
This is in the direct interest of the game.
After all, people are different, and we need to somehow come to a common understanding (through discussion, with respect for the other person).

2 ewgeniy
He apologized, but it seems he still doesn't understand what he's apologizing for. :rolleyes:

It seems you didn't understand that.................................

Let's just close the topic about baoans and sheep!!!!!!!!!!! Enough is enough!!!!!!!!! Even if someone didn't understand something! Continuing this topic and explaining to someone specifically what they understood or didn't understand is pointless – it's a waste of time and energy, and nerves. Everyone will still stick to their own opinion – you can't convince everyone! (this is a general statement – I'll say right away that I'm not referring to anyone in particular, so that there are no complaints against me later).

it would have been right to apologize for the comparison (metaphor).
just so you know.
he could have explained, since he aims to be a leader of the Guild; he could have shown by example how it's done.

the topic has been closed for a long time, and the point isn't that.

I'm just watching how a candidate for the role of "guardian of order" :smile17: behaves; it's not like he's voting randomly.

and no one answered my question in the second-to-last post.

so, is it possible or not, and will the Guild do it?

or if the Guild is just a manifesto, why do we need a leader?

let's erase everything except the manifesto and just sign it.

here's another question: everyone knows that you can express yourself eloquently without being rude directly (example: WW); it would be offensive to everyone.
how should this be interpreted?

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you don't have to answer, but you understand what I meant.

Well, this is the second time this topic has been brought up, and the second time it has failed. Maybe it's time to realize that no one needs a "Heroic International"? Everything is fine on the forum as it is.