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2 Vanechka you should have checked the post time first and if you wanted to figure it out, you should have found all the related messages
And with complete self-assurance: what are you guys rambling about?.. I expressed my opinion. And each of you has written so many times about freedom of speech (Bot), about respecting other people's opinions (Executor)... About peace (A.Punk).....
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!(Vanechka )
you did express your opinion... but you based it on incorrect data..... that's why they decided to correct you... and it all turned into an argument :mad:
your opinion about the "Soviet" nature of the Guild has long been discussed in this thread :smile53: (you either should have read it or expressed your opinion less harshly, otherwise you stirred up a conflict) and it was just getting to the discussion of further actions, but it all stalled due to the departure of the thread creator from the forum.
If the members of the Guild consider themselves honest people/forum users/players - that's good, I don't argue, but this is not a reason to issue brass knuckles and service weapons!
everyone would have given you a +1 if your message only contained this line (I understand that you are not chasing this :D), it's just that the whole message turned out to be some kind of anti-Soviet outburst
and the "wall of shame" is a good idea (as a person with access to the internet, and in general, wise with life experience, you should understand that there are adequate people and inadequate people (just jerks), these should be identified immediately, the first will not end up on the wall (I don't understand your fear of the wall, by the way)), and if the second leave, no one will be worse off.
I was thinking, maybe you're just offended that you were excluded from the 8th stage, I remember a message where you reacted inadequately to the fact that IronAxe asked you to be included back in the tournament, revealing your personal correspondence. or is everything okay?
Added after 8 minutes 2 Windows Vienna
I was in favor of removing the Guild because it had no leader, but if you've decided to look for one, then I'm ready to lead the Guild, then the Guild will be a worthwhile idea.
the program is great :smile02: but you have already established yourself as terrible :smile31:
Added after 3 hours 33 minutes by the way, about the organizational skills of Windows Vienna
look how he organized the clan in a month
everything is clear, everything is distributed, and people are drawn to him.... so.... there is no doubt about this!! they even have XEL!!!
Каждый может быть героем ...
ewgeniy
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In short, it's not Sparta here, and it's not even the communist era. Regarding opinions, you are 100% right – I didn't have the right to say that, but think about it, maybe you went too far? I'm not Zjuganov's agent; communism as an idea is my utopia, that's how it is:D. Plus, I disagree with you comparing punk and Joyce. You might as well compare a mouse and an elephant, since both are warm-blooded. Want me to give you their ICQ numbers, so you can chat and finally form your own opinion? And until you have one, maybe you shouldn't argue? According to your logic, Hitler is a normal person (you don't know him personally, only from other people's stories?). Let's end the argument, I'm wrong, but you're even more so. It's worth listening to other people's opinions. Everything has long been decided about Joyce, and no boards are needed. And we're just getting on each other's nerves. PS "And I draw conclusions based on MY reasoning, not on public slogans and announcements." -so what was Genghis Khan, or Confucius?
2 Windows Vienna Yes, but then the leader is also a sinner, and therefore, he is also a lost sheep. And that means the metaphor should have been rephrased like this: "We are all lost sheep, and I am one of them. But I will try to find the way."
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY FROM THE BEGINNING
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2 Vanechka
Added 8 minutes later [/U]2 Windows Vienna
The program is excellent :smile02: but you have already established a terrible reputation :smile31:
Added 3 hours 33 minutes later by the way, about Windows Vienna's organizational skills
look at how he organized the clan in a month
everything is clear, everything is distributed, and people are drawn to him.... so.... there is no doubt about this!! they even have XEL!!!
I don't understand, you first write that I have a bad reputation, and then you write that I have good organizational skills
I just wanted to know who will be in charge next, who will be updating the list. When I read that the respected Vanechka was talking about GI and Alexei Panke, I SIMPLY COULDN'T STAY SILENT...
If I'm wrong, just say so, I stirred up this mess, and I already regretted it a lot yesterday. There's a lot of rudeness here, and that's definitely not right. I just wanted to know what will happen to GI in the future, and if anything will happen at all. Alexey was a moderator and also monitored GI. Now no one is monitoring it. I wanted to draw the attention of the strong people of this portal, but it turned out as always....
I was hoping that the clan leaders would decide, but if no suitable candidate is nominated within a week, I'll step in. I mean Alan, or Kuverti, or Adelaide, in short, someone responsible. P.S. Hacker, I'd also be glad to see you on this list;);). That's all for now.
P.S. Maybe we should rename the topic and remove all the insults? If you can do that, we would be very grateful:):smile16: :smile16: :smile16:
Но поскольку я нищий, у меня лишь есть мечты. Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами. Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.
временно ушел с форума, переодически заглядываю. кому нужен пишите в скайп ewgeniy1985. в аське 384385000 очень редко.
Драко
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Dear sirs! I have read the thread! I liked it. I want to join.
But... there is one big but! It seems to me that the concept of the thread does not imply having a leader for the Community. Rather, there is a Responsible person here. Let's call him that. Responsible for the "wall of shame," ensuring that the Community represents unity and develops. His difference from a leader is that he cannot impose sanctions or demand fulfillment of duties, etc. The responsible person only coordinates the activities of the Community members. Leadership implies much more rights than those of an ordinary member. In addition, leadership implies some formality, which should be avoided.
I see the Community as an informal(!) and unofficial movement. There are many examples: this could be a community of gamers, a community of housewives, etc. They are not united, but they know what their responsibilities and rights are. In this regard, the question arises: do we even need to introduce a list of members? In my opinion, no - anyone who behaves respectfully is a member of the Community, even if they don't realize it; anyone who steps in to resolve a dispute (battle, war) is a member of the Community. All that needs to happen is that they know there is a "wall of shame" and someone responsible for it.
Note that the only goal pursued by the Community is respect on the forum, which leads to honesty and a desire to solve problems peacefully, etc. And sometimes, arguing is exactly what is needed.
Thus, the Community should be an informal community of gamers whose goal is to establish respectful relationships between forum visitors.
And the issue of leadership is pointless. What advantages can be gained here? Anticipating the answer, if any can be gained, then they simply need to be eliminated. Then the principle of voluntariness will be fully preserved :)
Draco, the question is very simple.
We need someone to monitor the Manifesto, refine it, and update the list (if it could update itself, there would be no problem).
If it weren't for my post a couple of days ago, you probably wouldn't have written here, or even paid attention.
And what difference does it make if it's a leader or a reviser, if the essence is the same?
Draco, the question is very simple. We need someone to monitor the Manifesto, refine it, and update the list (if it could update itself, there would be no problem). If it weren't for my post a couple of days ago, you probably wouldn't have written here, or even paid attention. And what difference does it make if it's a leader or a coordinator, if the essence is the same?
Zhenya, you don't understand. Firstly, what post are you talking about (I don't understand this)? I wrote the message for a different reason. By the way, regarding "you probably wouldn't have written here, or even paid attention" - that's not very polite. Secondly, is the essence the same? Unlikely. You see, having a leader means that the Guild is an independent organization with its own rights and responsibilities, and therefore it has the right to enter into relations with other organizations, which turns it into something like a clan. Having a leader means a completely different approach to the concept of the Guild, as I wrote in my previous message. The Guild shouldn't be an organization. Or am I missing something? Thirdly, I'm not against having someone. However, this person shouldn't be a leader - that means they shouldn't have more rights than necessary. They are just a list coordinator who can coordinate the activities of others (create a thread, for example, with links to rude forum members, etc.). They shouldn't decide on their own who to include in the list and who not to. This is where the main difference lies between a leader and a responsible person (coordinator or whatever) - the lack of rights that would allow them to actually manage the forum's life and the activities of forum members. I think it's clear what danger lies here.
And that's what I was trying to say in my previous message.
Zhenya, you didn't understand anything. Firstly, what post are we talking about (I didn't understand here)? I wrote the message for a different reason. By the way, regarding the Guild – "you probably wouldn't write a message here, and wouldn't even pay attention to it" – that's not very polite. Secondly, is the essence the same? Hardly. You see, having a leader means that the Guild is an independent organization with its own rights and responsibilities, therefore it has the right to enter into relations with other organizations, and this turns it into something like a clan. Having a leader means a completely different approach to the concept of the Guild, which I wrote about in my previous message. The Guild shouldn't be an organization. Or am I missing something? Thirdly, I'm not against having a person in charge. However, he shouldn't be a leader – this means that he shouldn't have more rights than necessary. He is just a list editor who can coordinate the activities of others (create a topic, for example, where links to forum members' rudeness are provided, etc.). He shouldn't decide on his own who to include in the list and who not to. This is where the main difference lies between a leader and a person in charge (an editor or whatever) – the lack of rights that allow him to really manage the life of the forum and the activities of forum members. I think it's clear what danger lies here.
And that's what I was trying to say in my previous message.
Regarding the post – it's not important, there was just a lot of rudeness because of it, and I'm worried about it. The essence is definitely the same because the Guild is a union not based on clans; it's just a manifesto. It only CALLS FOR If someone clearly violates the manifesto, who should do what? Regarding rights, the main thing is that he has a conscience and a sense of decency. How can you really manage the life of the forum? The most important thing is, maybe I was rude – I'm always ready to apologize if I'm wrong.
I agree with Draco; it's not necessary to join a guild to treat everyone with respect... Besides, you can't teach respect or decency; if someone is rude to other users, a guild or something similar is unlikely to correct them. I think creating all sorts of "shame boards" is a pointless exercise, and if it does have any effect on "uncultured" users, it will only be in the opposite direction. Only decisive measures can help, but that's a different question; it shouldn't be related to guilds. Otherwise, it seems like those in the guild are "good," and everyone else isn't? In my opinion, it would be better if guilds weren't a topic, a kind of informal association, but rather something... what's the word... "generic."
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