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Your example is not viable. And people don't look for handsome guys like the one from the "khurma" (date fruit) in position number 2 when looking for a partner. If a guy in position number 5 is good at communicating and is a potentially adequate partner, he has very high chances of building a family and having a good relationship. But with the guy in position number 2, there will be concerns at the first meeting that he is a narcissist and that he probably changes girlfriends like gloves (if anything, concerns != necessarily he will act that way).
Heh, it's like a perfect example of what I've been writing about all these pages. A creepy guy, with a stretch, a 3 (WITH A STRETCH, meaning even a 2 could have been given) turns into a potentially adequate partner))) No, the first impression most women will have is exactly like yours. Maybe if the photo was better, you would have given him a 4, but that's just how it is.
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And people don't look for handsome guys like the one from the "khurma" (date fruit) in position number 2.
Maybe they don't consider them for a relationship, I won't argue, but many will consider them as a father for their children.
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He has very high chances of building a family and having a good relationship.
After 30, with an RPP (Russian-speaking person) who suffered terribly from cursed narcissists from number 2, and then, realizing it by the age of 30, decided to become childfree and marry a number 5.
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But with the guy in position number 2, there will be concerns at the first meeting that he is a narcissist and that he probably changes girlfriends like gloves (if anything, concerns != necessarily he will act that way).
Of course, there will be, but this won't stop many, ESPECIALLY if he shows attention, then all the concerns will instantly disappear. Added 51 minutes ago
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Now matchmakers are gone, we have freedom, and we just randomly poke at a person, try, make mistakes. Divorces. Yes, unfortunately, any good girl will not suit any good guy. Compatibility is highly desirable in both life position and everyday life.
Yes, I'm saying that there is freedom. But we don't just randomly poke. It's all based on appearance, then everything else.
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No, I wouldn't say so. Zoomers don't want relationships at all, we millennials are a little better, but everyone is maturing later. We are often to blame ourselves. Gaming, online dating, and video games until 30. First, a normal woman like Koshi doesn't meet enough mature men, and by the time they mature, "it's already too late."
Zoomers don't want normal men because they see that the chances of getting an elf girl, or even someone LIKE THEM, are slim. And she will be with the same quirks as him, a gamer, immature, living with her parents. And the normal guy is not against it. He is willing to put up with it, they are willing to put up with more (Yes, many are tired of it, hence the incels, MGTOW, and others, but there are still many who will put up with it). But the other side doesn't want to. The other side would rather be second or third with an elf than first with a normal guy, be an RPP, be alone, etc. And it's perfectly clear why, because of the biological reasons that I wrote about and you agreed with below. Women make the selection, normal guys are rejected, the end.

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Heh, it's a perfect example of what I've been writing about all these pages. A creepy guy, with a stretch, a 3 (WITH A STRETCH, meaning a 2 could have been given) turns into a potentially adequate partner))) No, most women will have the same first impression as you. Maybe if the photo was better, you would have given him a 4, but that's that.
I would say the photo itself is just bad. In real life, the guy probably looks okay.
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They might not consider him for a relationship, I won't argue, but many will consider him as a father for their children.
Well, yes, everyone just dreams of meeting a handsome stranger, sleeping with him, getting pregnant, and then being a single mother. And then, for the rest of their lives, desperately looking for a new father for their child, hoping that some loser will agree and accept her with the child)
Just in case, if someone doesn't know, I'll share a scary news — it doesn't happen like that)
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After 30, with an RSP who suffered terribly from cursed narcissists (number 2), and then, realizing it by the age of 30, she decided to become childfree and marry a number 5)
I won't argue that women who hang out with various alpha males (not necessarily appearance number 2, some are attracted to very rude, self-confident crocodiles) until they are 30-40, and then look for a modest Vovk-nerd with unwashed hair, greasy pants, and a t-shirt, but who doesn't drink, has a decent salary, and, if he's lucky, has his own apartment (I'm not saying that number 5 is like that, I'm giving an exaggerated example at your level), so that she can live off him, and ideally, have a child with him if she gets pregnant. I'll say something surprising and scary — some women who hang out have enough brains to still use contraception while they hang out with "alpha males".

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Of course, there will be, but this won't stop many, ESPECIALLY if he shows attention, then all fears will instantly disappear.
I would say that it's individual and largely depends on what priorities a girl sets for herself. If she's easy, wants adventure, or just doesn't care — easily. If a girl is aiming for a serious relationship, she will be very careful with such a guy. Plus, there's the question of self-esteem, one will have a romance with him, thinking "Of course, I'm awesome, he definitely won't leave such a goddess," while another, with low self-esteem for various reasons, will ask herself: "Why did he pay attention to me? Am I not too good for him? Does he have some ulterior motive?"
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Yes, I'm saying that it's about freedom. But we're not randomly poking around. It's all based on appearance, then everything else.
If I didn't know several real-life examples of people who weren't initially interested in each other in terms of appearance, but after a long time of friendship and communication, they realized that there was no better life partner, I would agree. According to these people, over time, what repelled them at the beginning, they now find to be an attractive quirk. On the other hand, I definitely won't deny that for many, appearance plays a decisive role at the initial stage, and it's not always enough to be beautiful. But in general, it's not just the face that influences the final choice, and it's not always enough to be beautiful.
I can only say that I know a girl who, at one time, left a handsome guy from a wealthy family, who later became an even more successful entrepreneur in the city with a great income, simply because at some point she realized that he "smells somehow wrong." Like, yes, he's great in every way, the guy of her dreams, she even admitted that it was great with him, but she couldn't stand his natural smell.
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Zoomers don't want "normal" guys because they see that there are few chances, not only for an "elf," but even for someone JUST LIKE them. And she will be with the same hang-ups as him, a basket case, immature, living with her parents. And the "normal" guy won't even be against it. He is ready to put up with it, they are ready to put up with more (Yes, many are tired of this, hence the incels, MGTOW, and others, but there are still many who will put up with it). But the other side doesn't want to put up with it)) The other side would rather be second or third with an "elf" than first with a "normal" guy, be an RSP, be alone, etc. And it's perfectly clear why, because of the biological reasons that I wrote about and you agreed with below. Women make the selection, "normal" guys are rejected, the end.
I can't judge all Zoomers, but those I know personally are not looking for an "elf," but don't want to deal with "trophy wives" and girls who are looking for serious relationships. They all have the same "I want to live for myself." And they also "don't want to work for someone else" and want a life like in Instagram and TikTok. Something like "Why can they afford luxury at my age, and I can't?" And all this love, boobs, etc., is simply uninteresting to them.

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The other side would rather be second or third with an "elf" than first with a "normal" guy, be an RSP, be alone, etc. And it's perfectly clear why, because of the biological reasons that I wrote about and you agreed with below. Women make the selection, "normal" guys are rejected, the end.
Perhaps I'll make a discovery for someone — many girls don't want to be someone's first or for their first to be a guy without experience, because there is a very high probability of failure in bed. Girls without experience (and sometimes even with experience, lol) are just logs who lie down and wait for the alpha male to do everything for them. They don't know what's best for them, they're not interested in figuring it out, they want "magic, like in a romantic movie." And God forbid it hurts or something doesn't work, this girl will be blown away by the guy and she will scream that sex is only for guys.
At the same time, a guy without experience may simply not be able to get it up because of stress. And if, in the moment, instead of a competent partner who can support her, he encounters a log or, worse, a psycho who makes fun of him, the guy will develop such wild complexes that in the future he will turn into a complete omega or asexual. Even if before the failure he looked very good, he will no longer be interested in chasing girls, and all this sex, which is a very important part of relationships, will no longer be interesting to him.

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. I would say that the photo itself is not very good. In real life, the guy probably looks okay.
A good photo wouldn't save him much.
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. Well, yes, everyone just dreams of meeting a handsome stranger, sleeping with him, getting pregnant, and then being a single mother. And then, for the rest of their lives, they frantically search for a new father for their child, hoping that some loser will fall for it and accept her with her child.
Just in case, if someone doesn't know, I'll share a scary news – it doesn't happen based on that criterion.
Neyra, you read what I write, right? I've written many times that this is not the case for everyone, but for many. And yes, in the moment, no one thinks about anything, they just want it.
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. I'll say something surprising and scary – some women who are promiscuous still have enough brains to use contraception while they're with "alpha males."
Wow, Neyra, you're quickly embracing the blackpill. If there are so many like that, imagine how many are like the ones you described. And the "normal" ones will sit at home and choke a python, waiting for their beloved, while she has fun until she's 30 and condescends to him.
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. If a girl is aiming for a serious relationship, she will be very careful with such a guy.
Very careful, for the first couple of hours.
Of course, there are those who are able to control themselves for one reason or another and won't fall for it, but I don't think there are many. Maybe 5% of the population.
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. On the other hand, I definitely won't deny that appearance plays a decisive role for many people at the initial stage. But in general, it's not just appearance that influences the final choice, and being beautiful is not always enough.
That's what I'm talking about. It's not always enough, sometimes it's not enough at all.
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. I can only say that I know a girl who, at one time, broke up with a handsome guy from a wealthy family, who later became an even more successful entrepreneur in the city with a great income, simply because at some point she realized that he "smelled weird." Like, yes, he's great in every way, the perfect guy, she even admitted that it was great with him, but she couldn't stand his natural smell.
The blackpill takes smell into account, by the way. But she still dated him.
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. I can't judge all Zoomers, but the ones I know personally aren't looking for an "elf," but they don't want to deal with "dish girls" and girls who are actually looking for serious relationships. They all have the same thing in mind: "I want to live for myself." And they also "don't want to work for someone else" and want a life like in Instagram and TikTok. Something like, "Why can they afford luxury at my age, and I can't?" And all this love, boobs, and all that stuff is just not interesting to them.
I'm not arguing that the factors you mentioned exist and also influence things.
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. On this topic, I might make a discovery for someone – many girls don't want to be someone's first or to have their first be a guy without experience, because there is a very high probability of failure in bed. Girls without experience (and sometimes even with experience, lol) are just logs who lie down and wait for the alpha male to do everything for them. They don't know what's best for them, they're not interested in figuring it out, they want "magic, like in a romantic movie." And God forbid it hurts or something doesn't work, that girl will be blown away by the guy in the future and she will scream that sex is only for guys.
At the same time, a guy without experience might just not be able to get it up because of the stress. And if, in the moment, instead of a competent partner who can support her, he encounters a log or, worse, a psycho who makes fun of him, the guy will develop such wild complexes that in the future he will turn into a complete omega or asexual. Even if he looked pretty good before the failure, he will no longer be interested in chasing girls and all this sex, which is a very important part of a relationship.
This is not a discovery. The blackpill says everything you listed. And it's a vicious cycle. How will "normal" guys get experience if they're not given it? They'll get it after 30, with an experienced girlfriend who will compare them to elves, get incredibly frustrated, and tolerate it. Everyone tolerates it in general.
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. he will no longer be interested in chasing girls and all this sex, which is a very important part of a relationship
Wait, wait, what about just a wonderful, good, excellent person?)) Being friends for 5 years, having a good time, etc.?)))

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Being friends, communicating, and approaching things very slowly is not the same as finding a girl on a dating site and going to bed with her after 1-2 months. The level of psychological preparedness and the willingness to accept a partner's mistakes and try to figure things out are different.

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And also, it's important for someone to explain to these inexperienced people that hot, passionate movies with a bald actor or Eva Elfie do not reflect reality. These are a collection of very well-thought-out, staged, directed, and edited scenes, where the main goal is to present everything beautifully, possibly satisfy someone's fetishes, but not to teach virgins anything.

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willingness to accept a partner's mistakes
A decent synonym for the word "to tolerate." Toler it, normies, accept it.    
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find a cutie with a good sense of humor and get into bed in 1-2 months)
Lol, one to two months 🤣  This might be a revelation for someone — for elves, everything is available on the first meeting. In some cases and under certain conditions, also for those who are between elves and normies. But a normie will wait, yes, accept, try to figure out what's what. For a month, two, or ten years.
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And also, it's important that someone explain to these inexperienced folks that hot passionate movies with the Bald Guy or Eva Elfi don't match reality. They are a set of very well thought-out, staged, directed, and edited scenes, where the main goal is to present everything beautifully, possibly satisfy someone's fetishes, but not teach virgins anything.
So they explain it, and then what? The normie will still be worse than the elf.

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Okay synonym for the word "tolerate". Tolerate, dwarves, accept.
You're a little confused. To tolerate means to accept the situation and keep quiet. To accept means being ready to discuss and work on fixing things. In the second case, at the beginning, you might have to tolerate something, but if two people know how to use their mouths for more than just eating (and something else 😏), they will talk and look for solutions.
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Lol, one or two months 🤣. I might reveal something new: everything is available to elves from the first meeting. In some cases, and under certain conditions, it is also available to those who are between elves and "normal" people. And the "normal" person will wait, yes, accept, try to figure out what's what. And it will take a month, or two, or ten years.
Of course, if there's an honest exchange. And if, during the meeting with this elf, it turns out that the girl was wearing a complete set of sexy lingerie, then everything was planned by someone else, and long before this meeting 🙃
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He'll explain, and then what? The "normal" person will still be worse than the elf.
A "normal" person, in my understanding, and not a gloomy autist, if he has brains, can turn out to be a better lover than the "elf".

And some so-called "elves" are so terrible in bed that girls get psychological trauma and realize that sex is only needed by men.

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Acceptance – willingness to discuss and work on fixing things.
But how do you fix the fact that he's "normal," while she spent her youth hanging out with elves and only paid attention to him closer to 30? She tolerates that he's "normal," and he tolerates that she hung out with elves.
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Of course, with a generous "elf." And if during a meeting with this very elf, it turns out that the girl was wearing a complete set of sexy lingerie, then everything was planned by someone else, and long before this meeting 🙃
Nothing was planned for him; that's just how it is. He's just an elf. That's why she chose him for the meeting, not the "normal" guy.
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A "normal" guy, who, in my understanding, is not a gloomy autist, if he has brains, can turn out to be a better lover than the "elf."
I don't know, I doubt it.
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And some so-called "elves" are so terrible in bed that girls experience psychological trauma because of them and realize that sex is only needed with men.
It's all about experience. A "normal" guy doesn't have any experience and won't have any until he's 30, while an elf starts training around 15. Older women are ready to teach him, and he practices on his peers. Therefore, such an elf, as you described, is a very rare case, or he's just young.

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I still only play games and don’t want to talk to real boys.
А, вот почему.

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Kosh, it's good that we're not elves.
I only played games at 15 and didn't really want to talk to real boys 🙃
Heh. Well, at 16, it's not much different. The average age of the beginning of sexual activity in developed countries is 16-17.
And there are no elves among HvH players at all. Well, maybe Revan is half-elf, but I don't remember his photo very well.

Anyway, we're going in circles, you've already agreed with a lot, and I'm happy with the result biggrin
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I still only play games and don't want to talk to real boys.
I wish I could just play games too...

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Play if you want, no one is stopping you.
А, вот почему.

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Go ahead and play, who's stopping you.
Work, daily grind, alts. And overall, I agree with Ment here. To truly enjoy a game, I need to fully immerse myself in it. That was possible back in school and university, especially during holidays. Now that kind of format is impossible. Not at all. Unless we're talking unrealistic scenarios like winning the lottery or inheriting millions of dollars.

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I had my first kiss on the lips when I was 10 😎
At 5 😳

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