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Posts from Final vote for the location of the CIS-2017 tournament.
In other words, do the 24 people who voted for Yekaterinburg not have the right to decide whether they want to go to Volgograd or Korolev?
Roma, if you reason like that, you can conduct a poll among the 40 people who voted for Korolev, asking whether they want to go to Volgograd or Yekaterinburg. You can conduct polls endlessly like this. I don't understand why, in this case, the 24 people who voted for Yekaterinburg are somehow different from the 40 who voted for Korolev.
You can argue as much as you want about the legitimacy of this vote. But according to the calculations, Volgograd is in the lead. And everyone is free to decide where they want to go. Maybe someone will want to go to Egypt with Cobra; no one can force them to go to Volgograd. Gomunguls
What's the problem with people gathering in each city, based on which city they voted for?
The whole problem, Vitaly, is that out of the 109 people who voted, only about 30-40 will actually come. And if you divide them into 3 parts, you get 10 people. This means that it will not be possible to hold a CIS tournament anywhere. It's a paradox. It turns out to be a kind of symbiosis, and there's no getting away from it.
Alexxl
9 years ago
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Dear friends, how long must this go on? The first vote has passed, Volgograd won, and a group of people who are bored say, "No, no... let's vote again..." And then, another election begins, and again, it's the same old story, and again, Volgograd wins, and notice how, immediately after, all sorts of clowns crawl out of the woodwork and start chanting the same old songs. We can go around in circles like this until we're old and gray; it's become some kind of FUCKING CIRCUS!!! Guys, behave yourselves with dignity and like men; don't act like those... well, you know. Good luck to everyone!!!
The whole problem is, Vitaly, that out of 109 voters, if we're lucky, only 30-40 will actually travel somewhere. And if you divide them into 3 parts, you get 10 people. This means that it won't be possible to hold a CIS tournament anywhere. It's a paradox. There's a kind of symbiosis here, and there's no getting around it.
At the Siberian Championship, there were 10 people, and yet it was a full-fledged offline event. No one is saying that we need 2 CIS tournaments – let there be 1, and those who don't have the opportunity to travel there can gather in another place at the same time.
You can conduct polls endlessly. I don't understand why, in this case, the 24 people who voted for Yekaterinburg are any different from the 40 who voted for Korolev?
Kostya, the difference is that, for example, if 24 people want to go to Korolev instead of Volgograd, and their choice didn't decide the outcome, why should they go to Volgograd if the total number of participants is higher for Korolev?
What's the problem with people gathering in each city, and who voted for which? Since they voted, it means it suits them in terms of preferences, finances, and other aspects. The number of people is distributed in such a way that a decent tournament can be organized in each city that participated.
GOM is simply a great idea!!! That's how we'll resolve the 3 CIS regions.
Roma, if we reason this way, we could conduct a poll to find out where 40 people who voted for Korolev want to go – to Volgograd or Yekaterinburg. We could conduct polls endlessly. I don't understand why, in this case, the 24 votes for Yekaterinburg are somehow different from the 40 votes for Korolev?
Such a voting system is used in many places (including the presidential election in Russia) – if the voting does not result in an absolute majority, a second round is held between the two leaders (in this case, Volgograd and Korolev).
The whole problem is, Vitaly, that out of 109 voters, if we're lucky, only 30-40 will actually show up. And if you divide them into 3 parts, you get 10 people. This means that it won't be possible to hold a CIS tournament anywhere. It's a paradox. There's a kind of symbiosis here, and there's no getting away from it.
30-40 people go to one place, and it turns out to be inconvenient for others, so they don't go. For example, I'll be in Volgograd, but I wouldn't go to another location. And it's the same for others, which is why people are lost.
Kostya, the difference is that, for example, if 24 people want to go, not to Volgograd, but to Korolev, and their choice wasn't decisive, and why should they go to Volgograd if the total number of participants will be more in favor of Korolev?
They shouldn't go to Volgograd. They can go to Volgograd, or they can go anywhere and do whatever they want with blackjack and monkeys.
Nagan-4
9 years ago
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KillAndAction
No need for two or three rounds. Even with the changes regarding the number of visits, it's clear that Volgograd is the absolute winner as the location for CIS-2017. Even if we consider those who voted and also came and played in the tournament, it's still Volgograd. But the question is: who will actually come, and what if the price per person increases by another 20-30%? That would be unpleasant for both the organizers and the participants.
But the choice has been made by the COMMUNITY.
Which community? Last time, two years ago, when Volgograd was chosen, I was told that the choice was made by the community, without a vote. Now, only 33 out of 97 people who wanted to participate chose Volgograd, and I am told that the choice was made by the community again. How can five divided by two not be a whole number? Let's try dividing by five... They mentioned me as the organizer of this tournament, so I am withdrawing from this tournament because it no longer resembles the original concept. The goals of the first championships were:
1. To cover the entire country with Heroes championships. Remember how it all started? Heroes qualifiers were held in different cities, where anyone could participate, and the winners would go to the final, receiving prizes to cover their participation costs. Of course, spectators and those who just wanted to hang out also came. But that wasn't the most important thing.
2. Accessibility. I know how difficult it can be for a Heroes player to afford things, because often they are students or people just starting their careers, and it's hard to raise a large sum for a trip. I know this well because I, as an organizer, have often helped participants with money on credit. That is, a very cheap option should be offered, and as an alternative, a second option for those who have money, which has always been easier. Now, when they write that you need 60,000 to participate, I am at a loss.
3. The competitive aspect. The champion should be a champion without any doubt or questions. And without any collusion.
Now, this championship has turned into a gathering of wealthy poker players.
Now, when they say you need 60,000 to participate, I just can't believe it.
Eric, I feel the same way. Because no matter how I calculate it, I don't get that number... I don't understand, who are you rooting for right now? I told everyone the following. As long as Vigo is the organizer, I will be against it. And any sane person will be against it. Because a proven cheat who betrays friends cannot be the organizer. Period. I myself am in favor of finally holding one in the Moscow region. And we will do it next year. Normally. We will look at options for venues. In terms of financial accessibility. And everything else.
MerlinTheMagician
9 years ago
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And about the weather.
A little bit of statistics. If something is wrong, we'll adjust it...
Statistics.
A total of 109 people voted (and not just people...).
And based on requests.
For Ekaterinburg.
Total – 24 votes.
Attended the CIS tournament – 10, of which 7 attended twice or more.
Did not attend the CIS tournament – 13 plus Merlin's wife.
Played mainly in the main tournament – 6, of which 4 played twice or more.
Did not play mainly in the main tournament – accordingly, 17 plus the mythical wife of Merlin.
For Volgograd.
Total – 33 votes.
Attended the CIS tournament – 29, of which 20 attended twice or more.
Did not attend the CIS tournament – accordingly, four.
Played mainly in the main tournament – 20, of which 13 played twice or more.
Did not play mainly in the main tournament – accordingly, 13 people.
For Korolev.
Total – 40 votes.
Attended the CIS tournament – 20, of which 15 attended twice or more.
Did not attend the CIS tournament – accordingly, 19 plus Vigopes.
Played mainly in the main tournament – 12, of which 8 played twice or more.
Did not play mainly in the main tournament – accordingly, 28.
Hi Vika, who was advocating for the number of players. Even taking into account the "boosts" (including yours) from Korolev, Volgograd is in the lead... )))
Wicc
9 years ago
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I don't understand – what difference does it make how much anyone played before? Only the current tournament matters – who will participate in it as a player. The history of previous participation is only interesting in terms of the probability of showing up, but the range isn't that large.
This type of voting is used in many places (including the presidential election in Russia) - if the voting does not result in an absolute majority, a second round is held between the two leaders (in this case, Warlock and Knight).
It is used. Before the voting, Merlin actively promoted this idea ("presidential voting" in two rounds), but almost everyone said - one round. One round is one round. It doesn't matter to me, even if it's three or four rounds.
I don't understand – what difference does it make how much someone played before? Only the current tournament matters – who will participate as a player. The history of past events is only interesting in terms of the probability of someone attending, but the range isn't too wide.
Yura. The difference is significant. The CIS is an independent project, a self-organizing system. As an experienced manager with a higher education in management, I'm telling you – neither you, nor I, nor anyone else can determine how, what, and where things happen. Except for the target audience, on which the CIS project is essentially based. And the target audience is not those who might come, or might start playing... The target audience is those who actually travel and actually play. And the answer from this audience is in the voting (or rather, in the votes). And this is objective data that can, should, and must be used.
Grando
9 years ago
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The only thing one might regret is the repetition of the location. While it was still possible to avoid it, there was a desire to do so. But perhaps this will be the first time, so that one can become aware of it.
