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Does it also work for staging a murder, or not? If one person goes to "kill" another.
Will it work?
Thank you, Sesam. I was so sure it didn't work that I didn't even ask.

General questions:
1. What is the schedule – what time does the day/night flag appear, and is it constant? Perhaps it would be wiser to shorten the night so that the remaining time can be used to write a newspaper, without shifting the overall schedule.
2. What will happen to the schedule after the day ends due to Deon the Dragon's action? I suggest still maintaining a pause of up to X real hours to adhere to the schedule, if the ultimate ability is used before the flag time.=1
3. Voting. Does execution require 50%+ of the votes, or a simple majority?
4. What happens in the event of a tie (I can explain how a tie can occur, and both candidates have 50%+ of the votes)?
5. How detailed is the display of votes against each target:
a) The actual number of votes is displayed against each target.
b) The number of votes is displayed against each target, equal to the number of players, and differences are clarified only if it is relevant.
c) Only the number of votes, equal to the number of players, is displayed against the leader of the vote (and possibly also against the person(s) in second place), and differences between the number of votes and players are indicated only if it is relevant.
d) Same as c), but the actual number of votes is displayed immediately.
e) My own option (the more detailed, the better).

6. a) Is it possible to vote for NNW (No Night Vote)?
Let's say yes.
b) Does the NNW vote have any limitations (on the player, on the game, at the whim of the GM's left foot, only after a night without deaths...)?
c) If there is a tie between NNW and Vasya (and Vasya has 50%+1, if it is relevant) – what happens to Vasya?
d) Will the descriptions of executions where no one is hanged and where an immune person is hanged be visually different?
e) Can votes be skipped if there is no participation, and if not, what is the penalty for skipping (vote against oneself, loss of ND, public ridicule...)?
f) Is it possible to cast a vote through the GM in exceptional cases?
g) How many opinions from the total number are needed for the vote to end early?
h) In the case of a MK (Mass Kill) during the day (yes, he sat on his favorite horse) – does the day end immediately or continue? Or are both options possible, and then we need to outline approximate (not necessarily strict) arguments in favor of one or the other decision?
i) In the case of a MK at night, will the night be extended by a certain number of hours (or days) so that everyone can change their NDs based on the new information (because it's stupid when the turn goes to a "frozen" player)?
j) MKs are always dark, this is a known axiom, I hope it will not be violated.
k) Can you write in the topic at night (if not, what awaits the violator)?
l) Can votes be changed an unlimited number of times, or is there a limit?
m) Is the day flag fixed, or can it be floating or shift from the last vote?
n) Will the player know that they have been deprived of their vote (because it was stolen)?
o) If they know, are any sanctions applicable to them for not casting a vote, if any exist?
p) Will there be any hints about the role of the hanged, are they mandatory, or can there be a dark corpse at some point?
q) Is tactical modkill allowed (I recommend banning it under threat of team defeat (for the sleeping dragons of the Mafia and Town teams), but it's up to you. It's a cheat even better than a rush)?

7. Does the counterattack after protection count as a kill (in the sense – will it raise the TM's energy)?
8. We talked about guests, and found out that some things don't hit at all, and multi-target NDs during surveillance and transfer are displayed only in relation to the first target. Is this true for the ultimate ability (kill the target and guests), or do they also take damage even if it was the second target (duel, Prank's ultimate)?
9. When Alima uses her ultimate, she is a guest of her target. Does she take damage from her own ultimate, or is it simply not specified "all guests, except the one who used it"?
10. Any ND with the specification "once every X nights," if it fails, can it be applied again on the next night?
11. In the event of a conflict between Deon's passive ability (kill your killer) and Ramirez's ultimate (Deon comes to Ramirez. How did he come in the ultimate – it's simple, he was doubled, so he used the ultimate and did something else) – does the passive ability win (because it is guaranteed), or can the effect still be killed?
b) The concept of "guest" for an ND with two targets should be similar to Alima's ultimate.
12. In general, how does doubling work? Is it an effect that is applied immediately, this night (there are its own logistical problems, we will discuss them later, if necessary), or is it an effect for the next night, which the target is notified of at the beginning of the day?
13.
Yes. As a backup in case it turns out that the first target has immunity.
This is about the doubled TM, who possesses Vasya and Petya, and possessed Vasya. So, the possession of Petya is a failure, even if Petya is a legal target for possession.
14. 3 actions from the Mafia imply that if Gonzales sends two, someone is out of luck – or 3 actions mean 3 players go (and Gonzales can take two turns), but if there are four of them, someone is out of luck?

15. Bjorn's prayer – is it a targeted ND protection, or a non-targeted one that protects Alima herself?
16. The vote of the person whose death was staged remains the same as if they were alive (that is, double or zero, if it would have been so)?
17. If Deon the Dragon is killed by staging a murder, does the attacker still die (because he didn't want to – and couldn't)? The same with protection? And with Prank's protection?
18. By the way, if Deon the Dragon's death is staged, when he returns after a day, will he be a dragon or a human? Similarly, if he is resurrected after dying in an ultimate, will he be able to use DD (Dragon's Doom)?
19. Does the ND search for Aeon/Bjorn disappear after finding the dragon? The point is to use it to attack the TM afterwards.

There will probably be more questions about the TM later, but after you forget what you answered (I'm going to look for contradictions).

Added 5 minutes ago
Suggesting to Zhuru what questions he should create can be seen as hints about his role.
If this is not combined with asking for a poll in himself, then I do not see a crime in collectively developing questions, discussing in the topic why the question:
"do you have a dragon on your avatar?" is better than "is there a sword depicted on the avatar?",
and the question "are you a town member?" is more informative than "are you a Mafia member?"
And if we are discussing the fact that Vasya needs to be questioned again, because the whole game is built on his status, then formulating the questions in such a way that he has no loopholes to avoid revealing his role is a godly, or rather, Aeon-pleasing thing to do.
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And by the way, wouldn't it only work if Fagus's Native Defense is doubled, and in all other cases, the transfer would be useless?
I didn't understand this point.
I mean that transferring Fagus's Native Defense to Pete, which then transfers itself to Pete, won't give any visible results. Except in the case where Fagus has a second Native Defense, which would then be transferred to Pete... Anyway, never mind. It's easier to remember that in this case, the transfer will fail.

I like Prank's ultimate ability less and less. What's the point of attacking both Combat Abilities, and not just the attacker's? It feels like it's helping other teams.
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк..
Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов.
Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
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Apparently, the essence of Prank's ultimate ability lies in choosing targets for protection more carefully (although, given the number of transformations, this advice is of little use).
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Thanks Sesame. I was so sure it wasn't working that I didn't even bother to ask.

General questions:
1. What is the schedule — at what time are the day and night flags, and is it constant? Perhaps it would be wiser to shorten the night so that the remaining time could be used to write the newspaper without shifting the overall schedule.
as practice shows, the schedule cannot be maintained for long due to many circumstances. But I'll try to keep the day closing at 12 midnight.
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2. What happens to the schedule after a day is closed by Deon-dragon? I suggest still maintaining a pause until n hours of real time to fit into the schedule if the ult occurs before the flag time.=1
I'll adjust it to the schedule
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3. Voting. For executions, is 50%+ votes required or just a simple majority?
the first option
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4. What happens in the event of a tie (I can describe how a tie can occur and yet both candidates have 50%+ votes)
no one is executed
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5. How detailed are the votes against each target displayed:
a) the actual number of votes is written for each
b) a number of votes equal to the number of players is written for each, and differences are clarified only if it matters
c) only for the voting leader (and possibly those in second place), a number of votes equal to the number of players is written; differences between the number of votes and players are indicated only if it matters
d) same as c), but with the actual number of votes immediately
e) your own option (the more detailed, the better)
b
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6. a) is an NNV vote possible?
let's say yes,
b) are there any restrictions on the ability of an NNV to vote (per player, per game, at the GM's whim, only after a night without corpses...)
c) in case of equal votes between an NNV and Vasya (while Vasya gathered his 50%+1, if that matters) — what happens to Vasya?
d) will the descriptions of an execution where no one is hanged and one where someone immune to hanging is hanged be visually different?
e) can voting be skipped; if not, what is the penalty for skipping (a vote against oneself, loss of ND, public ridicule...)
f) in exceptional cases, can a vote be cast through the GM?
g) how many opinions from the total are needed for the voting to end prematurely?
h) In case of an mk during the day (yes, I'm getting on my favorite horse again) — does the day end immediately or continue? Or are both options possible; if so, should approximate (not necessarily strict) arguments in favor of one decision or another be outlined?
i) in case of an mk at night, will the night be extended by some hours (or a day) so that everyone can change their NDs taking into account new information (since it's silly when a move is made against someone already killed)
k) mks are always dark, this is a known axiom, I hope it won't be violated
l) is it allowed to write in the thread at night (if not, what awaits the violator)?
m) can votes be changed as many times as desired or is there some limit?
n) is the day flag fixed or can it be floating or shift from the last vote?
o) will a player find out that they have been deprived of their vote (because it was stolen)
p) if they do, are any sanctions applicable to them for not casting a vote, if such exist?
r) will there be any hints about the role of those hanged; are they mandatory or can there be a dark corpse at some point?
s) is tactical modkill allowed (I recommend banning it under threat of team defeat (for sleeping dragons: mafia and town teams), but it's your call. It's actually a better cheat than storming)
a - yes
b - no
c - will be executed
d - yes
e - possible
f - yes
g - depending on the situation
h - continues
i - no
k - uh-huh
l - a post-separator is allowed
m - no limit
n - fixed
o - no
r - there will be
s - there will be sanctions for the whole team
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7. Does a counterattack after guarding count as a kill (in the sense — will it raise TM energy)
yes
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8. We talked about guests and found that some things don't target them at all, and multi-target NDs during surveillance and transfer are displayed only relative to the first target. Is this true for the ult (kill target and guests), or do they get hit even if it was the second target (duel, Prank's ult)?
here we rely on the protection itself
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9. When Alima ults, she is a guest of her own target. Does she get hit by her own ult or is it simply not written "all guests except the caster"?
everyone except her obv.
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10. Any ND with a clarification once every n nights, in case of failure, can it be applied again the next night?
no
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11. In a conflict between Deon's passive "kill your killer" and Ramirez's ult (Deon came to Ramirez. How he arrived in the ult — simply, he was doubled, so he did an ult and something else) — does the passive win (because it's guaranteed) or can the effect still not be killed?
b) the concept of a guest for NDs with two targets should be analogous to Alima's ult.
GUARANTEED kill )
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12. In general, how does doubling work? Is it an effect applied immediately this night (there are logistics issues here, we'll discuss them later if needed) or an effect for the next night, about which the target is notified at the start of the day?
this night
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13.
This is about a doubled TM who possesses Vasya and Petya, and possessed Vasya. It turns out possessing Petya is a failure, even if Petya is a legal target for possession.
yes
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14. 3 actions from the mafia imply that if Gonzalez sends two, then someone "smokes bamboo" — or 3 actions mean 3 players move (and Gonzalez can have two moves), but if there are four of them, then someone "smokes bamboo"?
the first option
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15. Prayer to Bjorn — is it a targeted ND protection — or non-targeted, which protects Alima herself?
targeted
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16. The vote of the person whose death was staged remains as if they were alive (i.e., double or zero, if it would have been so)?
yes
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17. If Deon-dragon is killed during staging, is the attacker still doomed (since they didn't actually want to — and couldn't)? Similarly for guarding? And for Prank's protection?
yes. yes
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18. By the way, if Deon-dragon's death is staged, when he returns after a day, will he be a dragon or a human? Similarly, if resurrected after dying in an ult, can he use Dimension Door?
human
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19. The ND search for Aeon/Bjorn does not disappear after finding the dragon? The point is to use it for attacking TM afterwards.
does not disappear

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I like Prank's ult less and less. What is the point of attacking both KAs, not just the attacker? It feels like helping other teams.

this ult, as well as others actually, should be used wisely, not fired at random )
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the focus here is on defense itself
I still don't understand this answer.
Vasya - a duel between Masha and Petya.
Ult - kill Petya and his guests. Will Vasya receive the effect of the ult or not?
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Yes. Master, let's play the expansion.
А, вот почему.

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I still don't understand this answer.
Vasya - a duel between Masha and Petya.
Ult - kill Petya and his guests. Will Vasya receive the effect of the Ult or not?

Uran, everything is explained here with simple logic. For Prank to protect, he needs to reach both targets. Of course, he will take damage from the Ult. For the Redirector to move player A to player B, it is enough to reach player A and indicate the correct direction. So, he won't end up in the grinder of player B.

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Yes. Master, let's play for experience instead.

I actually have very little free time.

Here, we need to think about the fact that if the mafia dies, the experience mode will die along with it. Not immediately, of course.
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Uran, everything here is explained with simple logic. For example, to protect Prank, you need to reach both objectives. Of course, he will take damage from the ultimate ability. For the Redirector to move player A to player B, it is enough to reach player A and indicate the correct direction. So, he won't end up in the crossfire with player B.
But if I understand the essence of the battle correctly, not only A is redirected to B, but also B to A. But you know better anyway.
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But if I understand the essence of the duel correctly, not only is A redirected to B, but B is also redirected to A. But you know better anyway.

The duel is organized by Waring, and he also aims for two goals.
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Why is the recording progressing so slowly? It's an interesting set, after all.
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4, if not occupied, wrap it up.
Hello everyone!
Quid legent hosce versu, mature censunto
Profanum vulgus et inscium ne attrectato:
Omnesque Astrologi Blenni, Barbari procul sunto
Qui aliter facit, is rite sacer esto
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Ugh, it seems I’ll have to read the entire set.
А, вот почему.

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Also, read the questions.
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Nah, that’s too much. I’d rather just contact the host on Skype. ;)
 

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