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#4523
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Well, that's obvious. I wasn't complaining, I was just describing the situation. And he's probably thinking about how to get out of it...
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Ihtiandr
Everything I write is obvious to any reasonable person. You don't need to be a world-class political scientist to see all this. You just need to take a little interest in the events happening in our country on the internet, and not on TV.
Oh...

Look - 97 years have passed since the October Revolution, is this a positive or negative event?

60 years have passed since Stalin's death, is he a positive or negative figure?

22 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, is this a positive or negative event?

You play Heroes, is this a positive or negative phenomenon?

You are a boy, not a girl, is this a positive or negative phenomenon?

Who is cooler - a titan or a dragon?

It's not so easy to say... and if you do say, it's most likely nonsense.

That's why reasonable people usually avoid giving categorical assessments of ambiguous phenomena.

Satir, in the text above, called the Maidan an undoubtedly positive phenomenon, which immediately showed his level of intellectual development. But he at least had the sense not to develop the discussion - either he realized that he had said something stupid, or he realized that he risked damaging his reputation. And that's right.
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It’s just that age when everything seems achievable. Things are bad now, so let’s change them. And if we change things and it gets even worse, we’ll just leave. Because the country is full of idiots who don’t know how to govern. As a rule, at 18-22, depending on their development, they don’t really have their own opinion yet, although youthful maximalism suggests that they do and that it’s the only true and correct one. But in my opinion, the most important human skill is to learn from the mistakes of others, not from one’s own.
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I think everyone here is familiar with Tolkien's epic, "The Lord of the Rings." Is the destruction of the One Ring a positive or negative event? Why was it done? Perhaps the reason was the foolish, youthful maximalism of Frodo Baggins? Yes, Sauron fell, but was there a worthy candidate to replace him? Perhaps after this, an even worse villain will come to power. Under Sauron, there was stability, and all the inhabitants of Middle-earth had the opportunity to join him and live well at the expense of those who did not join. And what should they do now? With their good intentions, foolish protesters plunged Middle-earth into the 1990s. By destroying the One Ring, they destroyed the barn that Sauron had been building for thousands of years. Middle-earth will have to rebuild the barn and deal with the consequences of the revolution for a long time...
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Ihtiandr
I think everyone here is familiar with Tolkien's epic "The Lord of the Rings."

Was the destruction of the One Ring a positive or negative event? Why was it done? Perhaps the reason was Frodo Baggins' foolish youthful maximalism? Yes, Sauron fell, but was there a worthy candidate to replace him? Perhaps an even worse villain will come to power after this. Under Sauron, there was stability; all the inhabitants of Middle-earth had the opportunity to join him and live well at the expense of those who did not join. And what should be done now? With their good intentions, foolish protesters plunged Middle-earth into the 1990s. By destroying the One Ring, they destroyed the barn that Sauron had been building for thousands of years. Middle-earth will have to rebuild the barn and deal with the consequences of the revolution for a long time...
Have you ever wondered why such fairy tales are considered children's or young adult literature? It is because they present a black-and-white view of the world. An immature mind is not yet ready for more complex structures, so it is like this...

I also recommend reading this - What is good and what is bad
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A tale is a lie, but it contains a hint of truth...
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It's a well-worn argument, but still...
I've always been annoyed that the Jedi in "Star Wars" are portrayed as a positive force. It's time to set the record straight:

- The Republic was a republic in name only. In reality, it was a feudal military dictatorship. The Senate, due to its size and incompetence (a typical senator being Jar Jar Binks), was just a talking shop. Real power belonged to the Jedi Council, which appointed its own members. Out of 12 council members, 5 were elected for life, and another 4 for a long term, until voluntary resignation. That's 9, enough to make any decision.

- Over THOUSANDS OF YEARS, the Jedi failed to implement federal legislation in the Republic and equalize the level of economic development. On Coruscant, there are kilometer-high skyscrapers, while Tatooine remained a poor, desolate place, just as it was 4,000 years ago.

- Anakin Skywalker was a slave. And he would have remained one if not for a lucky break. The Jedi did nothing to eradicate slavery.

- Big business (the Trade Federation) was driven to the brink by rising taxes and corruption, leading it to wage war against its own government.

- There was no counterintelligence at all. The Republican authorities were completely surprised by the clone army, the Sith puppet master, and Order 66.

- Budget control was terrible. It is impossible to create a clone army without large allocations from the federal budget. The government didn't even know that trillions of credits were being spent on something unknown.

- Did the Jedi have a social base? When Palpatine staged the coup, the authorities had no loyal regiments. And the population reacted with indifference.

- The Empire in Star Wars made a deal with the population: you don't interfere in politics, and we won't touch you and will ensure economic growth. In modern history, such regimes have proven to be the most effective.

- What was the political program of the rebels? It consisted of one single point: to overthrow the Emperor and take power themselves. The planets that joined the rebels hoped for key positions in the government of the new republic, and the Jedi dreamed of returning to the establishment.
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To my great regret, people like Ihtiandr are exactly the kind who represent our "opposition"...
Am I in favor of the current government? No. But before achieving any result, it is necessary to set a goal. Otherwise, it's impossible. Otherwise, it only exists in books.
And then "people like these" start stirring things up, shouting slogans, and suggesting destruction... but what do they propose? As a rule: "We will NOT have...", "down with...", "enough...". These are childish grievances, complexes, and the like.
With age, and especially when you have your own children, you begin to understand that there are no simple solutions, there is no absolute black and white, no zero, no infinity, no random numbers - EVERYTHING is complex, there is always a compromise, and before doing something, you need to weigh it and think it through.
"Одержать сто побед в ста битвах — это не вершина воинского искусства. Повергнуть врага без сражения — вот вершина.
"Сущность войны — обман. Искусный должен изображать неумелость. При готовности атаковать демонстрируй подчинение. Когда ты близок — кажись далёким, но когда ты очень далеко — притворись, будто ты рядом."
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Wicc

The satyr mentioned above called the Maidan an undoubtedly positive phenomenon, which immediately showed his level of intellectual development. But at least he had the sense not to develop the discussion further – either he realized that he had said something stupid, or he realized that he risked damaging his reputation. And that's right.
But you, I'm afraid, are no longer at risk. If one can still simply disagree or agree with your attempts to analyze the current situation, the appropriateness of the observations you add, and the events from your own life, then the tendency to resort to personal attacks against those who disagree with you is clearly incorrect and irritating. And you call Ikhti "stupid/naive" and say that the satyr "showed his level of intellectual development." Moreover, such behavior is presented as "preventively brainwashing within the framework of a discussion." It's quite strange to want a discussion and call your opponents fools.
And it's also interesting, although I'm not a doctor, when did you suddenly realize that you had a mission and the right to brainwash others?
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Oh, looks like Sauron's orc army is coming for us)) I never thought HeroesWorld could become a workspace for Kremlin bots. Well, war is war, we'll mercilessly brand them))


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Also curious, though I'm not a doctor, when did you suddenly realize that you had been entrusted with a mission and the right to brainwash others?

People just do their job and earn their pathetic pennies. Over time, they may realize the pettiness of their actions themselves.
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Everything seems so simple for you! ))
Could you put a coin instead of the shawarma on your avatar for me, please? It would be funny.
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#4534
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Ihtiandr, don't make me laugh, and remember to be respectful in your arguments.
*feels like Leopold the Cat*
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=Stinger=, I hope you're not one of them. And if you are, do it yourself; after all, they pay the Kremlin bots for a reason.
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Just a note: you've "marked" those who have families, children, and something to lose, so I fit perfectly into that category.
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Just a note, you "marked" those who have families, children, and something to lose, so I fit perfectly into that category.

Maybe Ichthyander is hinting that in 20-30 years, this won't matter to us as much, and we'll actively oppose it?