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Lider1

13 years ago

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Now this is interesting. Give me proof of where you got this. I had a book at home, something like "Countries of the World," a geography book from 1986, and it said that the population of Russia was 149 million people. I DON'T BELIEVE that the Russian population has decreased by 60 million. It looks like complete NONSENSE! As with 99% of what you write. And I won't be surprised if you fail again. I'm just pointing this out.///

Is everything that goes beyond your understanding of reality nonsense?

Is everything that doesn't match your ideas impossible?

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I don't have the time or desire to read what you've written right now.
I'll repeat the question specifically. WHERE DID YOU FIND ALL THIS? GIVE ME PROOF!!!

>Give me proof of where you got this.

Or are you going to start talking nonsense again? Or are you going to answer in the style of "you're the idiot" again?

--->Do you want one of the most hidden facts to be published in an official geographical publication?

Ah, that's the point. Then not 60, but 85 million! Yes, 85! It decreased by 85.
And you don't believe it? Or do you want one of the most hidden facts to be published in an official geographical publication?

85, it's a done deal.

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And by the way, it's funny when you answer aripotre with his own words, and he interprets it as "you're the idiot." Apparently, he doesn't understand where this "idiot" comes from.)))

Juristis

13 years ago

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A fool you may spit in the eye, but to him it's all God's dew.

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kalababa

13 years ago

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ariputra

Eat GMOs day and night, as much as you want :)

Very clever, and most importantly, facts are brought up again. It's like arguing with a believer about God. You ask them a specific question, and they tell you anything but the answer. I'll try again. I hope you perfectly understand that every day, every hour, every minute, absolutely any organism mutates, depending on the environment, weather, and other external factors. But they mutate randomly, uncontrollably. Naturally, many mutations become recessive and will not be passed on to the next generation. But, lo and behold, if two organisms have a mutation in the same gene, in the same chromosome, then the probability that this mutation will be passed on to the next generation is almost inevitable. In school, this process was called evolution. I advise you to read books on this topic; I've heard there's a good author - "Darwin." So, what was I getting at... Oh yes, creating GMOs is "evolution" of organisms, only the mutation is produced in a specific gene, a specific chromosome, in order to obtain the necessary characteristics. People have actually been creating GMOs since ancient times. Do you eat apples? And what are they like? The size of a walnut? Or are they bigger, juicier, and sweeter? I think the latter. And you won't believe it - again, the miracle of genetic engineers in the early days of our era (or even earlier) created one of the many GMOs, delicious, juicy apples. And how nice it is to think that these fruits are from a village, from grandma, that everything grew without pesticides and genetic mutations, but that's not the case. I can give more examples, but I think my point is clear.

Wicc

13 years ago

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Eat GMOs day and night, does anyone forbid it? But your children's children will be mutants. We have the opportunity to verify this.

Let's check and see that you are wrong. Until then, I suggest you don't eat GMOs and remain the last survivor (in your mind, of course).

There is no longer an industrial society. We have a gas and oil pipeline society.

Do this: open any statistics (ours or international), calculate the volume of oil and gas exports for the year, multiply by current prices (you don't even need to subtract production costs), divide by the population of Russia (you can even use your reduced number). Once you get a specific number, come back, and we'll discuss it further.

To date, only 8% of the economic potential remains – from the industrial society of 1986.

Statistics (both ours and international) do not confirm this figure. If you insist, go and find specific links; when you find them, come back, and we'll discuss it further.

The village is a source of food for the city.

In the early 20th century and earlier – yes.

After that – no, the main food is produced within agro-industrial complexes, organized in a factory-like manner – few people, a lot of mechanization, seasonal workers.

40 thousand villages is more than 10 million people – not those who moved to the city but simply ceased to exist! – Died out, became alcoholics, disappeared. Who cares?

Most of them either moved to the city or died of old age. And those who became alcoholics and disappeared – who cares.

I don't know where the figure of 40 thousand and 10 million came from; just in case, find proof, I suspect it's also nonsense.

People leave villages because agriculture has been destroyed.

What do we eat then? The volume of food imports decreases year after year, and the volume of food consumed increases year after year (see any normal statistics website).

Rural agriculture was destroyed somewhere in the middle of the 20th century; only a small garden for oneself and relatives remains, sometimes a little to sell at the market. Industrial food production is carried out as I said above.

Javdet

13 years ago

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Vik, perhaps because he recently returned to the forum, is trying to argue. Well, well... Ariputra will undoubtedly read it, ... and that's all there is to it. The information simply won't reach the part of his brain where it's supposed to go. Ariputra already has a great anti-spam system at the level of his visual organs, which instantly sends it back in 10 times the amount.

Niemand

13 years ago

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Wicc

Then – no, the main food production takes place within agro-industrial complexes organized in a factory-like manner – few people, a lot of mechanization, seasonal workers.

And how many of these agro-industrial complexes have you seen? In Russia in general, and in Leningrad in particular?

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Wicc

13 years ago

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Javdet

Vik, probably because he recently returned to the forum, is trying to argue.

I just have a vacuum of tasks at work, so I am here :)

Well, well... Ariputra will definitely read this, ... well, and that's all... the information simply won't reach the part of his brain where it's supposed to go. Ariputra already has a great anti-spam system at the level of his visual organs, which instantly sends it back in 10 times the amount :)

I'm doing this more for myself than for him...

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GoedenDag

And how many of these agro-complexes have you seen? In Russia in general, and in Leningrad in particular?

The main agricultural regions of Russia are not in the Leningrad region, but a little further south.

ariputra

13 years ago

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The argument started just for the sake of arguing – it's like pouring from empty into empty. Kalababa, you found an article for me that dispels the myth about the harm of GMOs. There are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of links about the harm and consequences of GMOs – just type "GMO: truth and fiction" into Google, Yandex, or YouTube, and you'll find what you're looking for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_arjD3YxHI – a 5-minute video about research on GMO products on rats. The result: cancerous tumors, infertility, and premature death. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAyxqeS7sxA – Levashov on GMOs as a tool for genocide. The second or third generation becomes sterile and infertile. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nZ00tKv_KE – a 58-minute film about GMOs as a tool for sterilizing a nation. A tool leading to infertility. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqBEQeI6-lU – Genetics. Death after eating. GMOs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dJqUK7ANHU – Pandemic of lies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJFdOrwC1Z0 – Transgenization – a genetic bomb. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pHB36tMSzc – GMO – Genetic Weapon part 2.wmv. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QASP1zcEmXg – What GMOs lead to. And there are another 10,000 videos telling about the consequences of GMOs. You can also find videos claiming that GMOs are completely safe. Please watch at least 10 of each, analyze them, and draw your own conclusions. ____________________ Natural mutations do not lead to the same consequences as GMO products. Natural mutations that occur every second in the human body follow a divine plan (the possibility of these mutations is inherent – by God, the chief designer). This is a very delicate mechanism. Maybe it's better not to interfere with it? If the body, our body, is working, maybe it's better not to interfere with it? But artificial mutations of GMOs are created by "scientists" – dilettantes in this field compared to God, and they also have cannibalistic goals – infertility, which will manifest in the second or third generation. This is a weapon of genocide. One of the main goals of GMOs is infertility – the sterilization of a nation. This is more effective and economically beneficial than waging a real war. Darwin, at the end of his life, admitted that his theory was wrong – its creation was paid for by the Rothschilds, Schiffs, and Morgans. Read his biography. And those wonderful GMO apples you're talking about – even caterpillars don't eat them; they disdain them. Does this tell you anything? __________ Vik, you are a great debater, but the counter-arguments you make are becoming funny and scary. They are childish, absurd, and very weak from a logical point of view. What you're doing is arguing for the sake of arguing. Do you even understand what you're asking? Do you want a group of people who have seized power – and who export 100 billion dollars every year from the natural resource extraction industry to European and American banks and economies – to officially publish data on the real state of affairs? They are immoral people, scoundrels, criminals who should be judged – but they are also fools. All the products we buy in stores now are imported from abroad. Our agriculture has been completely destroyed. What is your goal: to argue with me or to understand what is really going on? If it's to argue, then you've won. Eat GMO products and feed your children, if you have any, only GMOs.

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Haha, and I can prove it.

Well, go ahead, prove to me, for example, that Australia exists, and I will take a very comfortable position of a nihilist. _______________________ _______________________ I think this is nonsense; there is no such continent. And all those who supposedly fly there end up in Africa or South America, enslaved, and work until the end of their days in mines. Haha, Australia – do you really believe it exists? You're just crazy, a clown; mushrooms have eaten your brain if you believe in such nonsense as the existence of Australia. No, this is ridiculous. Believing in such nonsense as the existence of Australia, maybe you'll also say that the Earth is round? Haha, your brain has been washed; you're paranoid.

Ment

13 years ago

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Alright, prove to me that Australia exists, and I'll take a very comfortable position of a nihilist.

Australia exists by definition. Even if it's not a continent, but a small island, and the people who returned from there actually just visited some kind of artificial reality or something similar, it exists simply because there is such a word. Q.E.D.

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ariputra

13 years ago

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Ment

Australia exists by definition. Even if it's not a continent, but a small island, and the people who returned from there actually just visited some kind of artificial reality or something) etc.

According to what other definition? This definition was invented by the mine owners to lure unsuspecting souls into their trap. There is no continent or small island.

I haven't seen a single person who has returned from Australia, and if someone claims to have returned, they were just lucky and escaped from the mines in Africa and South America.

And those who say they returned from Australia are either people bought by the mine owners, whose task is to convince as many fools as you to find new labor for the mines in Africa and Australia, or they are just as paranoid as you are.

I still don't believe in any Australia; it's all nonsense, and you're a paranoid person who has been brainwashed.

it exists simply because there is such a word

I don't believe that either; it's not an argument for me.

Give me some proof.

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Juristis

13 years ago

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ariputra

Based on what other definition? This definition was invented by the mine owners to lure unsuspecting souls into their web. There is no continent or small island.

I haven't seen a single person return from Australia. If someone supposedly returned, they were lucky and escaped from the mines in Africa and South America.

And those who say they returned from Australia are either people bought by the mine owners, whose task is to convince as many fools as you to find new labor for the mines in Africa and Australia, or they are just as paranoid as you are.

I still don't believe in any Australia; it's all nonsense, and you're a paranoid person; you've been brainwashed.

You probably don't realize it, but you're parodying yourself right now.

Ment

13 years ago

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According to what other definition? This definition was invented by the mine owners. To lure unsuspecting souls into their traps. There is no continent or small island.

Yes, even if that's the case. If there is no continent or small island, there is a mine, and you yourself said so. It is Australia by definition. If there is no mine, there is something else. A mine shaft, a quarry, a gopher, or a muskrat. It doesn't matter. If there is nothing, there is the product of our imagination, which we call Australia. It doesn't matter what Australia is; it exists by definition.

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ariputra

13 years ago

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Ment

Even if that were the case. If there isn't a continent or even a small island, there's a mine, you said so yourself. That mine is, by definition, Australia. If there's no mine, there's something else. A shaft, a quarry, a gopher, or a muskrat. It doesn't matter. If there's nothing, then there's the product of our imagination, which we call Australia. It doesn't matter what Australia is, it exists by definition.

What definition are you talking about? Give me a link to the proof with that definition. Everyone who supposedly goes to Australia ends up in a different place. That place they end up in exists, but it's a different place. But the Australia that everyone supposedly goes to doesn't exist. There is no such place.

Well, I still don't believe it. All of this doesn't prove the existence of Australia in any way.

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Juristis

You probably don't realize it, but you're parodying yourself right now.

Think about it again. Who am I switching places with, and who am I parodying? ;)

But this isn't even a parody, it's a copy of how those who start arguing without even studying the issue usually respond – the subject of the conversation.

Ment

13 years ago

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What definition are you talking about? Give me a link to the source with that definition.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F

Everyone who leaves and supposedly goes to Australia ends up in a different place. That place they end up in exists, but it's a different place.

If they end up in a different place, then that place is called Australia.)
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But this isn't even a parody; it's a copy of how people usually respond when they start arguing without even studying the topic.

What you're writing is your usual way of talking, honestly. Before you mentioned the parody, I almost believed that you didn't acknowledge the existence of Australia. There's no difference in your speech at all.

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ariputra

13 years ago

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Ment

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F

It's all made up, invented by those who want to lure new slaves for their mines in Africa and Australia, or rather, for that continent depicted in the picture, which actually doesn't exist. And everyone who supposedly leaves for there ends up in a different place.

Ment

If they end up in a different place, then that place is called Australia.

If it's a different place, then it's not Australia, but another place.

No.
I still don't believe that Australia exists.

What you're writing is your usual way of talking, seriously. Before you mentioned the parody, I almost believed that you didn't recognize the existence of Australia. There's no difference in your speech at all.

We agreed that I would take the position of a nihilist, and you would try to prove some elementary thing to me. For example, the existence of Australia.

And what I wrote after that is what people usually write when they start arguing without studying the issue, the subject of the conversation.

Well, I wouldn't say so, I wrote something completely opposite to what I usually write. But the form here isn't that important.

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So, shall we continue? You haven't proven anything to me yet, and I still don't believe in the existence of Australia.

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Hahaha, Australia - do you really think it exists? You're just crazy, a clown, mushrooms have eaten your brain if you believe in such nonsense as the existence of Australia.

No, this is just... you have to! Believing in such nonsense as the existence of Australia, maybe you'll also say that the Earth is round? Hahaha, your brain has been washed, you're a paranoid.

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