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Okay, no problem, I'll send it.

Send it, it's about time:rolleyes:

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I wrote - "over the past few years." What happened in the old days is not so important; the modern history of club championships begins around 2009.

In the period from 2009-2013, I have this breakdown: 3 CIS, 4 Kingisepp, 3 Moscow, 2 Minsk, 3 Michurinsk. That's 15. I'm not sure if you can even get that many, even counting the joint trips of Tambov and Michurinsk.

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Although, no, you probably can...


I don't quite understand why the history starts around 2009. Is it because you started playing and judging actively from that time?

15 trips is great. I have fewer, but I've held at least 30 tournaments in my city over the years, and many people from Moscow and St. Petersburg came, so the tournaments were strong.

Mizrael and Scorp have played at least 10 championships, and probably more, that's already 20.
I'm not sure if there are that many travelers, even in Warlords Tactics, as you.
The record holder should be Cobra, the only person in the Heroes world who participated in the very beginning of Heroes tournaments on The Heroes and at Maniac's, played a match with St. Petersburg, was at Alan's, in Moscow, Michurinsk, Minsk... he's been in the Heroes elite for about 14 years.
Stinger and Preds have traveled a lot, but they started later, and the rest have 3-5 trips.

But the topic isn't about that. Who will be worse off if the SoD players get together? No one, we'll gather about 12-15 people, we can do it in Kyiv, preferably with all the best players who want to join.

I'm not against new features, like the last tournament in Moscow, where we played, the game became better and more convenient.
But classes, banks, experience - it just can't be compatible with SoD, when a Warlords Tactics player meets a SoD player, the Warlords Tactics player will insist on playing Warlords Tactics, saying that SoD is bad, that all the pros play Warlords Tactics... or he'll try to convince them or they won't play, I've seen it enough at tournaments.

Here's a standard tournament. People come to Michurinsk from St. Petersburg, SoD is already installed, they're ready to welcome the guests. It starts... damn, you have SoD installed, we didn't know... no one plays it anymore... no, that won't work... After upsetting the locals, they insist on installing The Heroes, saying they'll quickly install the only correct version and start.

They probably comment on how great it is to play on The Heroes, while the people from Michurinsk play SoD, not really listening to them, and lose.
The satisfied people from St. Petersburg say goodbye, explaining that they would have won anyway on SoD, but The Heroes is for the enlightenment of the backward.
After such "visits," there was a steady, to put it mildly, dislike of The Heroes in the city.
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Who will suffer if the SoD players gather? Nobody.
Eric, do you even read what I write? Apparently not, because you're arguing with the very words where I agree with you :)

For example, I mentioned the quoted passage several times earlier in the thread.
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Nagan still lives in those times when he was a TE (Tournament Editor) and when you had to separate single-digit numbers in SOD (Succession of Dominions) manually. What's the point in proving to an old-timer that you can call not only through a payphone? Eric, no offense, but everyone has long since changed their opinion about SOD with the advent of the HD mod.
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I don't quite understand why the story starts around 2009. Is it because you started playing and judging actively from that time?
The story starts in 2009 because online and club tournaments began to develop very actively, and now the game has a different value. A new generation of players is different! Although what's the point in writing this again if you don't read what others write, but keep repeating the same thing in your own way?
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Nagan still lives in those times when he was a TE and when single units in SOD had to be separated manually. What's the point in proving to an old-timer that you can call not only through a payphone. Eric, no offense, but everyone has long since changed their opinion about SOD with the advent of the HD mod.
Not only HDmod influenced it, but also the change in the range of playable templates - before, SOD and SOD-cm were synonyms, but now a lot of interesting things are played on SOD - XLs, Anarchy, Diamond has become popular.

I played the mentioned templates even during the period of heated arguments between SOD and TE, without thinking that this contradicts my position.
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Not only HDmod had an effect, but also the change in the spectrum of played templates — before, SoD and SoD-smka were synonyms, but now a lot of interesting things are played on SoD — XLs, Anarchy, Diamond has gone mainstream.

I played the specified templates even during the period of heated disputes over SoD-TE, not considering that this in any way contradicts my position.

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Vik, water spirit — also starts with "V"?

At the recent SoD tournament there was a pool of 7 templates — everyone is happy; does anyone really object to the number of templates? Even if you add 20 templates. (you're heading in the wrong direction...)

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Naggan still lives in those times when there was TE and when you had to separate units in SoD manually. What's the point of proving to an old believer that you can call not only from a payphone? Eric, no offense, but everyone changed their opinion about SoD a long time ago, with the advent of HD-mod.

I didn't quite get it — classes, banks, experience — are those no longer fundamental differences between SoD and HotA? So HotA players are now willingly playing SoD? Just don't bring Vika as an example. :D

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The history starts from 2009 because online and club tournaments began to develop very actively, precisely as playing Heroes, which now has a different value.

So ToH tournaments never existed. Maniac's tournaments, where hundreds of people played, never existed; the Chaos League, which gathered 50-60 people, never existed.
Krasnodar, Minsk, Yekaterinburg, Michurinsk with dozens of players never existed... of course they didn't, because all of this was before 2009. ;)
I'm not to blame that you didn't see this — how do you explain what the color blue is to a blind person?

How different are the new generation of players? Do they have more arms, legs, or a third Eye on their forehead? They're the same people, just found Heroes a bit later. Guys, excuse me, but in my opinion the best players are Stinger, Cobra, Bayazet, AlexGreat, as well as players from St. Petersburg, Moscow, Belarus, and Ukraine, whom I knew long before 2009.
It's great that there are new players, but still, tournaments — especially club ones — are mostly attended by old players who started playing before 2009.

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Although what's the point of writing this again if you don't read others and keep repeating the same thing on your own wavelength?

I don't engage in pointless arguments. :)
Specifically, where and what haven't I read from others, and what am I repeating on my own wavelength?

The only thing I raised in this topic was to hold a Heroes tournament in SoD. If the idea finds support, we'll run it. I talked to Peter about this topic, and this guy from Kyiv offered to organize it at their place — there are plenty of players.
I have experience organizing and judging tournaments, I can even arrange it in another city.
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I don't get it — classes, banks, experience — is that no longer a fundamental difference between SoD and HotA? So HotA players are now eager to play SoD? Just don't bring Vika as an example. :D

Yes, it is not a fundamental difference, because a person who plays SoD well will also play well with these HotA add-ons. Likewise, conversely, a HotA player will figure out the scrolls and restrictions of SoD. As for HotA players playing SoD — I get the impression that you don't follow the tournaments on HeroesWorld or their lineups at all.

By the way, regarding your phrase — that the Michurintsy "came to hate" TE and all that... As far as I know, the guys just grew up, and some started families, some got jobs in another city, and Heroes simply moved to the tenth priority. They don't even play SoD anymore. How many times have you announced Michurintsy at SoD tournaments? At least the last 2 tournaments in Moscow — and where are they?

Erik, go ahead and buy your return ticket from Krasnodar; you've stayed there way too long. In 2013, there are no longer those battles for the "most correct" version.

P.S.: As for the blind man and the blue color, you hit the nail on the head. ))) It's no one's fault that you weren't, for example, in Yekaterinburg, and you're not planning to go to Odessa, where a unification of versions is planned. You, you see, don't believe it. Well, that's your business. And I still can't wrap my head around what the tournaments of Toh, Chaos, and Maniac have to do with it. So I participated in Chaos tournaments — so what? Everything there was different back then than it is now. People came to play, and that was basically it. Came — played, scattered. The same CIS Champs — they take place in such a friendly atmosphere, what can I say — it's just a heroes' fellowship, a heroes' family. That's a completely different level, and the Chaos tournaments, for example, aren't fit to hold a candle to them. Live in the present day.
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Yes, this is not a fundamental difference, because a person who plays SoD well will also play well with these HotA add-ons. Likewise, conversely, a HotA player will figure out the scrolls and limitations of SoD. Regarding HotA players playing SoD — I get the impression that you are not following the tournaments on HeroesWorld and their lineups at all.

By the way, regarding your phrase — that the Michurintsy "came to hate" TE and all that... As far as I know, the guys just grew up, some started families, some got jobs in another city, and Heroes simply became a tenth priority. They don't even play SoD. How many times have you announced the Michurintsy at SoD tournaments? At least the last 2 tournaments in Moscow, and where are they?

Eric, buy your return ticket from Krasnodar already, you've stayed there way too long. In 2013, there are no longer those battles for the "most correct" version.

I will buy the ticket.
Theme, tell me, how many HotA players actually play SoD? Apart from you and Preds, who came to my place in Michurinsk to play SoD, never spouted nonsense like "only TE rules" and always behaved adequately in these arguments?

Have you forgotten how TE players wrote that they would bury SoD? I am glad that they have changed their minds and that two versions can coexist.

As for the Michurintsy, well, the guys are Heroes players from good families, accustomed to living well; a salary of 15-20 thousand won't suit them, so almost all of them moved to Moscow. As for the Michurintsy's visit to Moscow, they need to drink less, then they can participate in the tournament.

There hasn't been a single TE tournament in Michurinsk except those involving players from St. Petersburg. It's a pity, the Michurinsk Heroes forum Kryl'ev is dead; there were a couple of topics on this matter there.

Regarding the cessation of battles, I have always advocated for this. My opponents on the forums demanded that one of the versions be buried; it's good that they have reconsidered their views. :smile20:
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I'll buy a ticket.
Tell me, how many people who play SoD are also active in the VT community? Without you and Predsa, who came to Michurinsk to play SoD, there was never any talk of "only VT rules" and they always behaved appropriately in these discussions?

You forgot how VT players wrote about burying SoD. I'm glad they changed their minds and realized that both versions can coexist.

Regarding ending the battles, I've always been in favor of it. My opponents on the forums demanded that one of the versions be buried, and it's good that they reconsidered their views. :smile20:

And now you're behaving exactly like your virtual opponents.
You're throwing around theatrical phrases like "they hate VT," "they'll bury SoD." I don't really understand what you're doing this for, and most importantly, who you're writing it for. Everyone can have their own preferences, so they should always be taken into account at Heroes gatherings.
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You are behaving exactly the same way as your virtual opponents right now.
You throw around theatrical phrases like "they hate YOU," "they'll bury SoD." I really don't understand what you're writing all this for, and most importantly, who it's for. Everyone can have their own preferences, so you always need to take them into account at Heroes gatherings.

I can find 10 or 20 links to the League of Heroes, World, early Bay, where people promise the imminent death of SoD, and it was all written in a harsh manner. Old-timers on the forum remember the raids on World. At least those people should apologize, although it's not that important.

I liked your phrase: "Everyone can have their own preferences, so you always need to take them into account at Heroes gatherings."
That's what I would like to do. Those who want to play SoD, play SoD; those who want to play WT-TE, play WT-TE, without conflicts and arguments.

We agree on all the issues raised; let WT rule, let SoD rule.
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I haven't been to any offline Tournaments yet and don't know when I'll be able to go (although I want to), so I'm just an outside observer.
Eric, you seem to be an excellent organizer, the life of the party, but you're really stuck in the past. What's with all the fears, grudges about the past, and so on? It's time to overcome your prejudices and take a sober look at reality, and then, perhaps, it will be possible to create a truly great CIS championship, without any "buts," by uniting both versions. And your role as an organizer will be very useful here.

I completely agree with Artem. That group of players that you constantly mention is almost irrelevant now; a new generation of players has emerged. SOD is no longer the same as it was 3-4 years ago, and I can't even name a couple of Warlords players who wouldn't be willing to play SOD, and with the introduction (in the future) of a chess timer, all the differences will be erased even more. You keep referring to the bank, classes, and experience, and you forget that almost all paired tournaments (SOD + Warlords) are successfully played on Warlords, with SOD in the final part (or on both versions alternately); all these advantages remain only for the battles between true Warlords players, i.e., they shouldn't affect anyone else.
As others have said, people go to these events mainly for communication, meeting new people, and so on; the game takes a back seat, and even those few opponents of the Warlords platform, I think, will be able to overcome themselves and play on it (if they have to), if they have the desire and the opportunity to go. It's not the game version that prevents them from going.

For now, you can gauge interest by creating a corresponding poll, for example.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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As has been said, people go to such events mainly for communication, meeting new people, etc., and the game takes a backseat, and even those few opponents of the VT platform, I think, will easily be able to overcome themselves and play on it (if they have to), if they have the desire and the opportunity to go. It is not the game version that prevents them from going.

Hooray... the organizers of the EPT poker tournament announced that it will take place in Michurinsk (74 km :D) and will be played in the Omaha version (they just didn't specify high or high/low - these are not even such big differences as between big and small tennis)
what I need for the trip:
1) version:
----high/low - acceptable
----high - unacceptable (further conditions for participation are meaningless)
2)...

That's right, the game is secondary, but if this secondary aspect is missing - the desire to come to the "EPT Michurinsk" sharply decreases, and participation itself is reduced to a minimum:mad:
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The organizers of EPT poker announced that it will take place in Michurinsk (74km :D) and will be held in the Omaha variant (they just didn't specify high or high/low — these aren't even as huge differences as between big and small tennis)
And imagine at this Michurinsk EPT all the familiar faces from HeroesWorld are playing. Would you even go play Razzy :D
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I don't quite get it — are classes, banks, experience no longer a fundamental difference between SoD and HotA? That is, are HotA players now willingly playing SoD? Don't bring Vika as an example.
Of course they're not fundamental! Among the staunch true HotA players, I can only single out FireToSky and LeBron, although both also play in SoD tournaments.
Nagan-4
How different is the new generation of players? Do they have more arms, legs, a third eye on their forehead?
They have something that didn't exist before 2009 — regular online games and high-speed unlimited internet! If before people traveled for the sake of the game, now for the sake of the game it's enough to just go online. Well, 60 people won't travel in our time just to play Heroes. Nowadays, people more often travel but don't play :)
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