Posts from Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments.

Why are you attacking this person? So what if he loaded a save in single-player and thought about it a bit? He explored with the heroes, checked which armies are effective against which, and what units to deploy.

That's perfectly normal!

You're talking about offline mode? And that's not allowed? It is!

That's what replaying the game is for:cool:

Gentlemen heroes, I've been on HeroesWorld only recently, but I've already encountered two problematic situations - with Vigo and now with Indra
Why does every analysis of these conflicts turn into some kind of flame war (I'm not counting AK)?
You're all about 30 years old, yet you behave like schoolchildren, by God
Are you going to start talking about your moms and your interactions with them next? (=

What we have now is just depressing.:(

Wow, is this really a flame war?
More like a lazy chat when there's nothing else to do.
You should have visited here a year or two ago – that's when things were really happening! Passions were high, arguments were flying, and insults were everywhere. It wasn't a forum, it was more like an aerial battle between drunken, castor oil-fueled Karlsons. :smile20:
But what's happening now is just boring. :(

Wow, is this really a flame war?
It's more like lazy chatter out of boredom.
You should have dropped by here a year or two ago – that's when things were really happening! Passions were running high, arguments were flying, and insults were being hurled. It wasn't a forum, it was more like an aerial battle between drunken, castor oil-fueled Karlsons.:smile20:
But what's happening now is just depressing.:(

Details: Oelm was caught red-handed loading saves without his opponent present during the turn delay.

He only appeared a couple of days later, giving completely confusing and vague explanations, essentially admitting that he did load the save but (!) just to look at it and focus, and then he left his computer, and the timer automatically counted down four days, ending the turn...

We had a strong feeling that the saves were tampered with (there was plenty of time for that), mainly because the sent saves (specifically 126) differed from the save on the screenshot by exactly one hour (Oelm either didn't know or simply made a mistake), and because Oelm perfectly understood that the saves no longer mattered (as he clearly stated in the conversation).

Why should we delve into the saves and figure out the extent of maphacking and its impact on the game? We're not interested in figuring out what else happened and guessing what might have been.

Nevertheless, let me say this - it's not right to act crazy and wave your fingers around when talking to authorized people.

Quote:
Message from Kilgor
I don't think Indra is a cheater in the truest sense of the word; I don't rule out the possibility that this is his first time.
This option will have to be ruled out.

Spring season 2009.
SEM_56 received a load during replay several days later than the game was delayed.
http://forum.heroesworld.ru/showthre...t=5780&page=18
From 267 – Oelm’s report, then 273 and up to 282.
It's almost exactly the same situation as now.
Almost four years have passed since then. You need to be quite optimistic to believe that there were only two such situations.

I played for money, up to $500 per game.

Completely crushed player #2 from 2012 in two games.

...There will be a final post - a summary with attachments - screenshots about the "time difference on the dates," and with pictures showing what the AC should be doing, as I imagine it.

It was also perfectly clear that there was no point in continuing the discussion. Because, when one false argument is refuted, another one immediately follows. But, as a (c) Oelm implies, a proper discussion on the internet requires a timely response to the thread...

Lying has never been my weakness (well, maybe it's your strength, you know better :D). One could say that I was slow, a dullard, that I spoke about things I could have kept silent about, but I always stood by my words...

Apparently, pus-like jelly flowed from the mollusks. Which is also my achievement.

I always looked at single-player saves in 90% of games. At least because, formally, the rules didn't prohibit it.

Again, a distortion of facts. According to the dates in ICQ, it is clear that the conversation with Twaryna took place the very next evening (or rather, night).

Incoherence is more of a characteristic of spoken language. You can mumble incoherently after a bottle of rum, for example. What is the confusion? I described the situation as I saw it. What exactly was confused?

Oelm:
Well, it's quite obvious that the heroes were left running
Oelm:
and they created autosaves
Twaryna:
it's clear that this is our map
Twaryna:
and that it was loaded after our save, an hour and a half later
Twaryna:
no offense, but that's more than suspicious
Oelm:
well, maybe
Oelm:
such a difference
Oelm:
okay
Oelm:
alright
Oelm:
I'll try to provide arguments
Oelm:
for a smart person
Oelm:
well, I think that's what needs to be done
Twaryna:
I'm listening
Oelm:
well, first of all, the streamer just puts his trust in you right away
Oelm:
especially in SC2
Oelm:
or wherever else
Oelm:
if you want
Oelm:
to see the wins, it's logical
Oelm:
there probably was
Oelm:
I mean, there was definitely a win
Oelm:
and there, he could have entered some cheat
Oelm:
and
Oelm:
or whoever entered the infinite turn
Oelm:
for the hero
Oelm:
anyway, there's no point
Oelm:
in going through some saves
Oelm:
I think the saves don't matter

...

Twaryna:
you should understand, the shadow has already been cast
Twaryna:
the stream has done its job
Oelm:
damn
Oelm:
I don't believe
Oelm:
that no one saved the game
Oelm:
on their computer
Oelm:
well, first of all
Oelm:
in the report, I still need to return to the topic
Oelm:
I think that's what needs to be done
Twaryna:
if there is a report, and not just technobabble, then yes
Oelm:
so I don't want to hide anything
Oelm:
damn
Oelm:
I probably have
Oelm:
the right in any case
Oelm:
to comment
Twaryna:
of course
Oelm:
well, it will be
Oelm:
and about the game
Oelm:
and about the situation
Twaryna:
damn, well, that's just empty words :)
Oelm:
in general, if you have any suggestions
Oelm:
then I'm ready to listen
Twaryna:
my suggestion is simple - send these saves
Oelm:
besides these saves

...

Apparently, the AK was so intoxicated with their own importance that they didn't even think to test whether the date difference would appear in the games. Well, why bother, when you can use special means of lying and distortion.

In general, it follows from the context that there are no facts at all, and the question of GUILT has turned into a question of TRUST.

...There will be a final post - a summary with attachments - screenshots about the "hour difference in dates," and with pictures of what the AK should be doing, as I imagine it, etc., due to the message size limit.